High 5.


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HAHA


Some funny posts on here

I hope we get to see more letters from home.

Dear Katie,

Mary had a little lamb,
She put it on the cooker,
She turned the gas mark up to 6,
and burnt the little f*cker.

Love from all the cows in the field you often visit.

Really? So all British College graduates are American literature experts? Wow!

BIB - There are facts on here too, (JMO).

You said part of my post was, ' Nonsense.'.....You disagreed with my opinion - which is fine.....but in your opinion - it was, ' Nonsense.' In my opinion it was just my opinion and not to be judged

Phew, I give up. I really want this CBB to finish & Keith to be crowned the Winner

Perez & Katie H are very complex characters. They are both quick-witted - but Perez, at times, seems more humane. Katie is seemingly callous in all her actions.....

Anyway, thanks for the non- aggressive 'criticism.'

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

It was these 2 immortal lines that Perez completely misunderstood. The idiot just took the word 'imposters' and said Calum's mum meant KH. How utterly ridiculous. What a buffoon.

Anyone who knows Kipling or indeed follows tennis will recognise the true meaning, these words are emblazoned above a door that leads to Centre Court at Wimbledon.

Edit: meaning win or lose it's ok and nothing at all to do with what Perez said.

Don't really want to get into a ruck but surely any opinion can be judged? Isn't that what everyone does on this forum? Just because its an opinion doesn't make it sacrosanct - any more than my opinion that yours was nonsense couldn't be challenged Though probably not what you meant anyway lol.

To be honest I agree with your sentiment - I am exhausted with this forum - this is def not aimed at you as you seem quite rational and reasonable - but the bile being thrown about and the skewed views of things that happen is exhausting.

We are all guided by our bias and prejudices - but some on here just go to far, finding excuses for inexcusable behavior - even if you like someone they are still capable of being a dick - I know I am

We clearly have different views as I see Perez as being worse than KH - though they are really just two sides of the same coin

Yeah, because it's impossible for close family to use previously agreed certain phrases or, indeed, whole poems to smuggle in words of advice to HMs to let them know how they're doing or to give them coded hints as to what to do. Absolutely inconceivable

As for Perez he was either stirring, onto something, or just playing his usual 'Perez Show' antics for me

This is a very famous poem, which a few years ago was voted "Britain's favourite poem". It became more famous when it was featured in the film Four Weddings and a Funeral. Yes, it's a bit of a cliché nowadays, but it might have been Calum's mum's favourite poem. And if people read it properly it fits Calum and the BB house very well. I think this might have been a philosophy he was brought up with. Regardless of what if anything he does for a living, as a man he seems very decent and fair, and growing up with a father like his must have been incredibly tough. Calum is hardly just the son of a football legend. Sadly, George Best is now as famous for his battle with alcohol as for his football skills.

Read this poem and see how it fits this mother's son:

[IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

I wonder if she was tempted to add at the end of all that - <sigh> if only .....

Man you're a miserable bunch.

Very true. There are some very ignorant people on here

Here you go.....

As I suspected, he didn't understand the message of the poem at all.

Wow, that reminds me of Blackadder Goes Forth where General Melchett tells Captain Darling that he's arranged it for him to go 'over the top' and drags him away from his cushy office job to send him to the trenches even though Captain Darling is insisting that he's alright where he is.

No, in the first scene with them using code Calum definitely referred to his 'Mother' when Cami referred to her 'Sister'.

Not that I'm saying it had anything to do with the letter, I'm just supporting the post you're replying to.

Because unfortunately there have been times when some posters have become very aggressive accusing the poster of stating their opinion as if it was fact.
So there is a tendency for people to feel that they need to add a disclaimer that it's only their opinion.
I often do too, simply to prevent the situation I described.

Weirdest letter from anyone ever. Quoting a poem in a letter as if you wrote it. Strange can't fathom it at all. Bemused.

I don't think it was in Four Weddings. Apologies for being pedantic but love my movies and yeah, nearly sure it was a W.H Auden poem that you might be mistaking it for.

Was used in Mike Bassett: England Manager anyway. Kinda the same level of tackiness there.

Oops, you're right! Four Weddings used Auden's "Stop All the Clocks". I hated that film. I just recalled that "If..." had suddenly become the Nation's Favourite Poem after it featured in a film in the 1990s. Must have been a different film, or something else the general public heard.

Invictus is better suited to Perez

Thank you for posting. I like it - and I agree with your comments above too.

It's a load of cheesy nonsense.




The peak is the impostors bit, it's always moved me that bit, which is silly because it only appears to mean something. What are those impostors pretending to be? Why would you treat triumph and disaster the same? I've won the cup, my wife's been hit by a train, they're different. (Although it depends on the wife I suppose.)

Anyway no-one can do all that, so the world is no-one's and there are no men.

That's ever so sad...

You ain't got no 'art you aint!