Some people on here seem to think that the effects of ADHD are simply a child being extremely hyper, bad behaved and hard to control. Such ignorance. There's a lot more to it than that.
Hopkins' ADHD Comment - What An Idiot
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Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Nobody appears to have had it when I was young.
Her point ( supported by Michelle) is that it is diagnosed by doctors as an easy option.”
“Nobody appears to have had it when I was young.
Her point ( supported by Michelle) is that it is diagnosed by doctors as an easy option.”
ADHD was actually first identified 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Still. Maybe you hadn't heard of it when you were young, but the disorder existed.
Hopkins is a BLEEPING IGNORAMUS!!!
She'll be saying Autism doesn't exist next.
Originally Posted by shmisk:
“my child with adhd isn't on medication?”
“my child with adhd isn't on medication?”
It's OK, people who know absolutely NOTHING about the effects both immediate and knock on of AHDH love to make sweeping generalisations.
Originally Posted by smoggieboon:
“Siblings can have different characters... Doh!!”
“Siblings can have different characters... Doh!!”
It's not about character, it's about brain function DOH!!!
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Nobody appears to have had it when I was young.
Her point ( supported by Michelle) is that it is diagnosed by doctors as an easy option.”
“Nobody appears to have had it when I was young.
Her point ( supported by Michelle) is that it is diagnosed by doctors as an easy option.”
I agree, the same goes for dyslexia or bipolar disorders or anxiety/depression. Over diagnosed and thus its seriousness and severity is watered down.
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“ADHD was actually first identified 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Still. Maybe you hadn't heard of it when you were young, but the disorder existed.
Hopkins is a BLEEPING IGNORAMUS!!!
She'll be saying Autism doesn't exist next.”
“ADHD was actually first identified 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Still. Maybe you hadn't heard of it when you were young, but the disorder existed.
Hopkins is a BLEEPING IGNORAMUS!!!
She'll be saying Autism doesn't exist next.”
Yes she will... what a lucky woman that her children havent inherited her genes.. or the bad ones..
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“I agree, the same goes for dyslexia or bipolar disorders or anxiety/depression. Over diagnosed and thus its seriousness and severity is watered down.”
“I agree, the same goes for dyslexia or bipolar disorders or anxiety/depression. Over diagnosed and thus its seriousness and severity is watered down.”
Perhaps the government should bring in a cap on various diagnoses so that the general population can be satisfied that things are proportionally satisfactory. Might reduce effective treatment but perhaps that's a worthwhile side effect?
Originally Posted by Ippity:
“Perhaps the government should bring in a cap on various diagnoses so that the general population can be satisfied that things are proportionally satisfactory. Might reduce effective treatment but perhaps that's a worthwhile side effect?”
“Perhaps the government should bring in a cap on various diagnoses so that the general population can be satisfied that things are proportionally satisfactory. Might reduce effective treatment but perhaps that's a worthwhile side effect?”
That's just it treatment places are wasted on the none existent or less severe cases whilst those that have long term or severe disorders that majorly impede on their daily lives are left waiting 6 months.
Sadly doctors over diagnose to save time or when faced with a case that's hard to categorise. Tablets today are just thrown at people.
Criteria for disorders need to be more strict and detailed jmo or separate severity categorise established to diversify cases. Unfortunately today too much is bunged together as so much meets the criteria for a multitude of disorders.
The increase in depression seems the most predominant in recent years there is a huge difference from severe depression when someone feels no motivation to function or even live and having a down patch.
People who don't believe it exists should volunteer with some children who have it. Then you can show us idiots what we're doing wrong.
Or perhaps you might learn something, understand the behaviours and have a little bit more understanding and tact.
We are dealing with Dyspraxia, Autism and ADHD in my house. I would say my daughter is far better behaved than most kids I see. If you saw her having a meltdown in Tescos you'd probably tsk, roll your eyes and judge me for my weak parenting.
Oh and whilst I agree a good diet (which my child has - very little processed food) can help, it's certainly not a "cure"
A lot of these conditions are based in the senses. (Vestibular and proprioceptive specifically) so why judge the parenting of a child that has difficulties processing vestibular stimuli and therefore needs to swing or spin or fidget or run around in order to feel calm in their world.
If you observed my child in class you'd instantly spot her as the "naughty" one. Flitting about, taking books off shelves to look at, pressing her head against the window whilst all the other kids sit, eyes on the teacher, but ask her any question about the days learning and she knows the answer. She's listening and learning, but she has to move to think. Force her to sit on the scratchy carpet is like torture for her, and she won't be able to concentrate. That's the reality of this spectrum of sensory conditions.
Or perhaps you might learn something, understand the behaviours and have a little bit more understanding and tact.
We are dealing with Dyspraxia, Autism and ADHD in my house. I would say my daughter is far better behaved than most kids I see. If you saw her having a meltdown in Tescos you'd probably tsk, roll your eyes and judge me for my weak parenting.
Oh and whilst I agree a good diet (which my child has - very little processed food) can help, it's certainly not a "cure"
A lot of these conditions are based in the senses. (Vestibular and proprioceptive specifically) so why judge the parenting of a child that has difficulties processing vestibular stimuli and therefore needs to swing or spin or fidget or run around in order to feel calm in their world.
If you observed my child in class you'd instantly spot her as the "naughty" one. Flitting about, taking books off shelves to look at, pressing her head against the window whilst all the other kids sit, eyes on the teacher, but ask her any question about the days learning and she knows the answer. She's listening and learning, but she has to move to think. Force her to sit on the scratchy carpet is like torture for her, and she won't be able to concentrate. That's the reality of this spectrum of sensory conditions.
I wasn't shocked when my sons diagnosis's after 2 years of tests included autism
I was gobsmacked when they said he had adhd also. And this was the neurodevelopment team at Great Ormond Street.
Then I researched it.. Its so much more then being naughty - which he isn't actually.
Hes 13 now and still has no danger perception. he still can't filter noise and if I boil the kettle whilst he watches TV he can't handle it properly.
ADHD is done a massive disservice by those that tell people their kids have it when they don't have a proper diagnosis.
I was gobsmacked when they said he had adhd also. And this was the neurodevelopment team at Great Ormond Street.
Then I researched it.. Its so much more then being naughty - which he isn't actually.
Hes 13 now and still has no danger perception. he still can't filter noise and if I boil the kettle whilst he watches TV he can't handle it properly.
ADHD is done a massive disservice by those that tell people their kids have it when they don't have a proper diagnosis.
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“It's OK, people who know absolutely NOTHING about the effects both immediate and knock on of AHDH love to make sweeping generalisations.”
“It's OK, people who know absolutely NOTHING about the effects both immediate and knock on of AHDH love to make sweeping generalisations.”
And they also believe it is also completely alright to have facts prove you wrong as long as you believe with all the strength of your will that you are right. Faith in their own opinion is more compelling than anything the DSM IV manual or experts in the field might say.
Originally Posted by Ippity:
“Perhaps the government should bring in a cap on various diagnoses so that the general population can be satisfied that things are proportionally satisfactory. Might reduce effective treatment but perhaps that's a worthwhile side effect?”
“Perhaps the government should bring in a cap on various diagnoses so that the general population can be satisfied that things are proportionally satisfactory. Might reduce effective treatment but perhaps that's a worthwhile side effect?”
Nicely put. Unfortunately that sentiment will go over many posters' heads here
I don't think we saw this when I was young however I do wonder if all those children strapped/slippered and beaten with rulers etc sent to reform schools and borstals etc might not have just been "bad children" but actually have been suffering from this.
I admit I don't know much about it I have been lucky the kids may have health problems but none of them have had this so I haven't had to deal with it. I feel very sorry for the young parents in the next road who are struggling with their boy, he has more than bad behaviour and getting help for him has been difficult.
I admit I don't know much about it I have been lucky the kids may have health problems but none of them have had this so I haven't had to deal with it. I feel very sorry for the young parents in the next road who are struggling with their boy, he has more than bad behaviour and getting help for him has been difficult.
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“That's just it treatment places are wasted on the none existent or less severe cases whilst those that have long term or severe disorders that majorly impede on their daily lives are left waiting 6 months.
Sadly doctors over diagnose to save time or when faced with a case that's hard to categorise. Tablets today are just thrown at people.
”
“That's just it treatment places are wasted on the none existent or less severe cases whilst those that have long term or severe disorders that majorly impede on their daily lives are left waiting 6 months.
Sadly doctors over diagnose to save time or when faced with a case that's hard to categorise. Tablets today are just thrown at people.
”
Are you an actual GP or pediatrician? How do you know this? Are you simply stating an opinion, or have hard facts, in which case, let's hear 'em.
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“And they also believe it is also completely alright to have facts prove you wrong as long as you believe with all the strength of your will that you are right. Faith in their own opinion is more compelling than anything the DSM IV manual or experts in the field might say.”
“And they also believe it is also completely alright to have facts prove you wrong as long as you believe with all the strength of your will that you are right. Faith in their own opinion is more compelling than anything the DSM IV manual or experts in the field might say.”
Lets be honest though even when a new edition is published they're very eager themselves to create a new host of diagnose, symptoms, mixed categorise. They hardly help matters at times, its like a mind field at one end and then the criteria itself is too simplistic that it incorporates too many at the other.
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Are you an actual GP or pediatrician? How do you know this? Are you simply stating an opinion, or have hard facts, in which case, let's hear 'em.”
“Are you an actual GP or pediatrician? How do you know this? Are you simply stating an opinion, or have hard facts, in which case, let's hear 'em.”
Experience either my own or people very close to me.
I'd go into details but its too sensitive on here sorry.
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“And they also believe it is also completely alright to have facts prove you wrong as long as you believe with all the strength of your will that you are right. Faith in their own opinion is more compelling than anything the DSM IV manual or experts in the field might say.”
“And they also believe it is also completely alright to have facts prove you wrong as long as you believe with all the strength of your will that you are right. Faith in their own opinion is more compelling than anything the DSM IV manual or experts in the field might say.”
Yep. They are merely stating an opinion (based largely on ignorance, or what they have read in the press about it, possibly.
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“Lets be honest though even when a new edition is published they're very eager themselves to create a new host of diagnose, symptoms, mixed categorise. They hardly help matters at times, its like a mind field at one end and then the criteria itself is too simplistic that it incorporates too many at the other.”
“Lets be honest though even when a new edition is published they're very eager themselves to create a new host of diagnose, symptoms, mixed categorise. They hardly help matters at times, its like a mind field at one end and then the criteria itself is too simplistic that it incorporates too many at the other.”
The thing about the DSM manual is that it lists traits. Diagnosing is more complex than just reading through the symptoms and ticking them off. But I think we probably agree it can be abused in the wrong hands.
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Yep. They are merely stating an opinion (based largely on ignorance, or what they have read in the press about it, possibly.”
“Yep. They are merely stating an opinion (based largely on ignorance, or what they have read in the press about it, possibly.”
Sad but true, I don't hold it against people that haven't been exposed to particular information but when they criticise or negatively judge based on their ignorance and judgemental natures thats when it becomes sad.
also as stated above, the over diagnosis of conditions makes many cynical towards genuine disorders.
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“Experience either my own or people very close to me.
I'd go into details but its too sensitive on here sorry.”
“Experience either my own or people very close to me.
I'd go into details but its too sensitive on here sorry.
”
I understand, I won't push it therefore, but am I right in thinking that you have personal experience of over prescription / over diagnosis etc?
If so I understand where you're coming from, but there are many parents who battle for YEARS to get any help diagnosis / statementing etc, so it's not an across the board thing I am sure you will agree.
I thought Michelle and Cami were spineless not to say anything. I can understand Pricey being upset and taking herself out of the situation but it comes to something that Perez has to be the person to say something.
Hopkins must realise now that she has Visage well under her thumb. She could probably start promoting the Nazi's now and Visage would be agreeing.
Hopkins must realise now that she has Visage well under her thumb. She could probably start promoting the Nazi's now and Visage would be agreeing.
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Yep. They are merely stating an opinion (based largely on ignorance, or what they have read in the press about it, possibly.”
“Yep. They are merely stating an opinion (based largely on ignorance, or what they have read in the press about it, possibly.”
Possibly in a Katie Hopkins or Liz Jones column.
Originally Posted by king_kong1:
“Are you a midget?
No one mentioned size.”
“Are you a midget?
No one mentioned size.”
You do know that word is considered a pejorative, and shouldn't be used.
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“The thing about the DSM manual is that it lists traits. Diagnosing is more complex than just reading through the symptoms and ticking them off. But I think we probably agree it can be abused in the wrong hands.”
“The thing about the DSM manual is that it lists traits. Diagnosing is more complex than just reading through the symptoms and ticking them off. But I think we probably agree it can be abused in the wrong hands.”
I'm aware of that but many go from the manual entirely when distinguishing what symptoms may be present to diagnose a patient. I had several symptoms that my gp clustered together only to wrongly diagnose me for half my lifespan, sometimes these guidelines are taken as too black and white and a few disorders may be present at one time. Not enough time and care is taken today to correctly and accurately diagnose genuine cases.
Due to this inaccurate over diagnosis in the uk many people are cynical towards genuine or severe cases sadly ie Katie h.
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“I'm aware of that but many go from the manual entirely when distinguishing what symptoms may be present to diagnose a patient. I had several symptoms that my gp clustered together only to wrongly diagnose me for half my lifespan, sometimes these guidelines are taken as too black and white and a few disorders may be present at one time. Not enough time and care is taken today to correctly and accurately diagnose genuine cases.
Due to this inaccurate over diagnosis in the uk many people are cynical towards genuine or severe cases sadly ie Katie h.”
“I'm aware of that but many go from the manual entirely when distinguishing what symptoms may be present to diagnose a patient. I had several symptoms that my gp clustered together only to wrongly diagnose me for half my lifespan, sometimes these guidelines are taken as too black and white and a few disorders may be present at one time. Not enough time and care is taken today to correctly and accurately diagnose genuine cases.
Due to this inaccurate over diagnosis in the uk many people are cynical towards genuine or severe cases sadly ie Katie h.”
But the way diagnosis is carried out now is far more thorough. I've seen parents fighting for diagnoses like ADHD for instance and being disappointed not to get one. Getting a diagnosis means having access to all sorts of specialist services beyond the GP and many fall through the net.
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