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What It Means If Hopkins Wins.....
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MargMck
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by xynaria:
“Strange that folks think voting for the Divine Ms H represents a blow against Perez and yet it's the divine Miss H herself that has the uber hots for him.......life and peoples is well strange innit...................................”

She sees where they are alike but desperately envies his ability to completely let go and not worry about the facade, I think. An Achilles heel of her rigid personality. Another way for Perez, just by being Perez, to get under her particular skin.
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“I suggest you pay a visit to Twitter if you think that. Those loons make Hopkins look like Mary Poppins.”

Ha ha ok you may be right there. Good point
ScreamingTree<3
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by OMGItsAnnie:
“If parasite Perez wins then it's basically saying it's okay to threaten someone with rape.”

He didn't threaten anyone with rape and you and others who claim the same need to stop saying that.
It's categorically wrong.
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“When it's said tongue in cheek, with satire, to get headlines in papers it's fine. There is humour. Lots of comedians take the piss and do exactly the same as Katie.”

Is it?

I wasn't aware that Hopkins was a comedian - she doesn't make me laugh.

Apparently she says what everyone's thinking doesn't she?
Helenbemerry
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“it really isn't.

It's nothing to do with being judgemental in my opinion (there see I've got one) - it's everything to do with blaming those in unfortunate circumstances for their own bad luck or situation.

It is all about a lack of empathy for those less fortunate and blaming them for all the ills in society. It is all about ignorance of those who are 'different' or not deemed acceptable.

It is the road to Fascism.”

I personally think it is more to do with ethics and morals - I was raised to work for a living to keep myself rather than rely on the state to do this and I have done since I was 16. I have been made redundant twice and took on cleaning jobs, etc. until I could get myself something else.

Nowadays, SOME people choose benefits as a way of life and feel they are entitled to do this. I have no problem with someone who cannot work for whatever reason and feel they should be helped but I do object to people that are fit and well and have never done a days work in their life. If people that could work, did work, there would be more money available for the people that genuinely need it.

If that makes me sound like Katie Hopkins or a fascist, I don't really care
Beetlejuice
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“I didn't like Katie H before she went into the house but having seen her in there, my point of view has changed - she does actually talk a lot of sense in some things.

I couldn't stand Helen Wood and would never have voted for her”

We live in a free country and in BB people always argue and take sides. BUT Katie Hopkin's character traits goes waaaay beyond that. It's not about her views and opinions it's her intolerance toward people who stand up against her or just simply won't be influenced by her. That she cannot tolerate.

You may strongly dislike Perez and understand how housemates may be sick to death of him, but how Katie Hopkins has been seen to treat people she despises is another matter again. Calling for someone to be 'shunned' is one of the worse things you can do to anyone in society. Shunning causes suicides in societies and she's intelligent enough to know what she was calling for and the effect shunning would have on Perez who was already emotionally instable. It's far more evil than hurling insults. (Cami Lee hurling an insult about slitting Perez's throat wasn't acceptable either but it was an outburst and she was warned by BB for it as has Perez for his outbursts in response to her goading. Shunning is a different beast however, it's what members of specific sects dread and is the most powerful punishment that can be afflicted upon them. Who the H*LL can support someone who calls for shunning to be implemented !! What kind of people are they?

However anyone Katie Hopkins despises she wants completely anniolated as a human being. She wants them emotionally destroyed. And her hatred is also directed toward anyone who has more patience than her with the said person. She wants them isolated also and brought down by her gang too. She lays down dictats that must be followed to the letter by her gang.

How come they have all turned against Cheggers??? I mean he's a nice guy, respectful to other people and hasn't a bad word to say about anyone. In fact someone like Cheggars would normally be a popular person within the house. Hopkins sees him as dangerous competition however so has labelled him a weakling because he refuses to become a monster like her or allow himself to be controlled by her. She tolerates no-one who does not follow her line of intolerance against specific people.

Kati P and Cheggers are really the strong ones because they don't worship at the temple of Katie Hopkins. They refuse to allow her to turn their brain to mush and become her zombie, like what has happened to her wing woman Michelle. Michelle has been reduced to being her puppet. This was someone who made much of her image as a strong person with opinions. 'Where are they now'. Do you really think Katie H likes Michelle? I hardly think so given her sweeping intolerant diatribes against Americans in general in the diary room. She knows Americans are impressed with her posh English voice and will turn to mush as soon as she opens her mouth however. Katie Hopkins is a perfect example of how psychopaths can climb the ladder to achieve control in society because so many people start 'admiring' them...something they usually come to regret later!!!!!
Mulett
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by supergran0606:
“Totally baffling - the mindset of these people beggars belief, like I said above, Helen Wood voters all over again”

Bullies can't sleep at night unless they feel satisfied they have persecuted at least one person each day.

The problem here is that Katie's victim (Perez) is also disliked by many viewers and so she has been able to bully him with (what she considers to be) some sense of legitimacy.

If Perez hadn't been in the house, her victims would likely have been Keith and Alicia and I think that would have resulted in a very different reaction from viewers.

People are giving Katie a free-pass because if whom she is bullying. She is very lucky Perez was in the house this year.
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“I personally think it is more to do with ethics and morals - I was raised to work for a living to keep myself rather than rely on the state to do this and I have done since I was 16. I have been made redundant twice and took on cleaning jobs, etc. until I could get myself something else.

Nowadays, SOME people choose benefits as a way of life and feel they are entitled to do this. I have no problem with someone who cannot work for whatever reason and feel they should be helped but I do object to people that are fit and well and have never done a days work in their life. If people that could work, did work, there would be more money available for the people that genuinely need it.

If that makes me sound like Katie Hopkins or a fascist, I don't really care”

I was raised with ethics and morals too. I have always worked for my living and have never relied on the state. I am well aware that there are some scroungers and workshy people out there.

I am also painfully aware that there are people who live in dire circumstances through no fault of their own. When whole industries closed down and nothing was put into it's place whole communities suffered - the effects are still there decades later.

ADHD is very real - Hopkins doesn't believe in it. Palestine children are loved and cherished by their families but Hopkins is happy to condone bombing the little rats.
The list is endless.

Sometimes we are fortunate in life and have had the upbringing and opportunities to help us make the right decisions and live in an area where there is work - some are not so fortunate.

We live in an 'I'm alright Jack' kind of world. I would rather we didn't.
xynaria
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“ If people that could work, did work, there would be more money available for the people that genuinely need it.”

There is a shortage of over 2,000,000 jobs..how do you fix that one. A lot of the jobs that are available are paying less than a livable wage and that is government sanctioned by all parties.. Yes if all paid tax and scams were prevented there would indeed be more money and if there were proper rent controls we could shave a huge amount of the so called defecit.
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“If that makes me sound like Katie Hopkins or a fascist, I don't really care”

It's arguable that anybody referring things back solely to themselves is at best a tad myopic and a worst bordering on evil
leslie case
03-02-2015
Its a victory for the common people
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by leslie case:
“Its a victory for the common people”

Hopkins doesn't like common people.

I think she's happy rallying for their support in the Big Brother house though.
Ms Ann Thrope
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“I personally think it is more to do with ethics and morals - I was raised to work for a living to keep myself rather than rely on the state to do this and I have done since I was 16. I have been made redundant twice and took on cleaning jobs, etc. until I could get myself something else.

Nowadays, SOME people choose benefits as a way of life and feel they are entitled to do this. I have no problem with someone who cannot work for whatever reason and feel they should be helped but I do object to people that are fit and well and have never done a days work in their life. If people that could work, did work, there would be more money available for the people that genuinely need it.

If that makes me sound like Katie Hopkins or a fascist, I don't really care”

Perhaps it might interest you to know that if the government (of any stripe, I'm not pointing fingers left or right) actually did their job and collected the taxes that it's own laws said should be paid, we would easily be able to fund the benefits bill and sort out the NHS as well.

'The gap between what the government actually collected in taxes and what they should have collected grew in 2011-12 to £35 billion.

However, the committee found that this gap fails to take into account the billions more that are lost through aggressive tax avoidance schemes.'

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/...-billions-in-t

The percentage of benefits that are fraudulently claimed is under 1%, ditto the amount that is paid in error. The amount that's not claimed, but could be, is a lot bigger than that, so there are plenty of people out there who are not claiming what they are legally entitled to.
Ms Ann Thrope
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Hopkins doesn't like common people.

I think she's happy rallying for their support in the Big Brother house though.”

She likes them when they are being exploited for her gain, via her nonsense column.
johnan
03-02-2015
If she wins it means there is some common sense left in the voting public.
Aura101
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Oh dear. If she wins she wins its only a tv show.”

some people want to put these 'characters' on a par with Hitler and Sadam Hueissen.

the way SOME of the audience erupted over Helens win really was quite pathetic and a sign that people really need to get out more in the real world.
there are some truley vile horrific human beings in this very country, like properly horrid people, a couple of gobby cows from big brother are not the same thing.
xynaria
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by johnan:
“If she wins it means there is some common sense left in the voting public.”

How so????????
goldylookinfish
03-02-2015
Say whatever you like about her, lets face it she tends to say whatever she likes but she isn't the worst one in there at the moment.
Philip_Clarke
03-02-2015
Yes she is, by a long shot
goldylookinfish
03-02-2015
Oh no she isn't.
postit
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Beetlejuice:
“We live in a free country and in BB people always argue and take sides. BUT Katie Hopkin's character traits goes waaaay beyond that. It's not about her views and opinions it's her intolerance toward people who stand up against her or just simply won't be influenced by her. That she cannot tolerate.

You may strongly dislike Perez and understand how housemates may be sick to death of him, but how Katie Hopkins has been seen to treat people she despises is another matter again. Calling for someone to be 'shunned' is one of the worse things you can do to anyone in society. Shunning causes suicides in societies and she's intelligent enough to know what she was calling for and the effect shunning would have on Perez who was already emotionally instable. It's far more evil than hurling insults. (Cami Lee hurling an insult about slitting Perez's throat wasn't acceptable either but it was an outburst and she was warned by BB for it as has Perez for his outbursts in response to her goading. Shunning is a different beast however, it's what members of specific sects dread and is the most powerful punishment that can be afflicted upon them. Who the H*LL can support someone who calls for shunning to be implemented !! What kind of people are they?

However anyone Katie Hopkins despises she wants completely anniolated as a human being. She wants them emotionally destroyed. And her hatred is also directed toward anyone who has more patience than her with the said person. She wants them isolated also and brought down by her gang too. She lays down dictats that must be followed to the letter by her gang.

How come they have all turned against Cheggers??? I mean he's a nice guy, respectful to other people and hasn't a bad word to say about anyone. In fact someone like Cheggars would normally be a popular person within the house. Hopkins sees him as dangerous competition however so has labelled him a weakling because he refuses to become a monster like her or allow himself to be controlled by her. She tolerates no-one who does not follow her line of intolerance against specific people.

Kati P and Cheggers are really the strong ones because they don't worship at the temple of Katie Hopkins. They refuse to allow her to turn their brain to mush and become her zombie, like what has happened to her wing woman Michelle. Michelle has been reduced to being her puppet. This was someone who made much of her image as a strong person with opinions. 'Where are they now'. Do you really think Katie H likes Michelle? I hardly think so given her sweeping intolerant diatribes against Americans in general in the diary room. She knows Americans are impressed with her posh English voice and will turn to mush as soon as she opens her mouth however. Katie Hopkins is a perfect example of how psychopaths can climb the ladder to achieve control in society because so many people start 'admiring' them...something they usually come to regret later!!!!! ”

Astonishingly good post. Applause.
Angie_Plasty
03-02-2015
Jim Davidson is a bigot and a WUM and he won. Helen is a bully and won. Busey is a WUM and won . So the trend is there on Desmond's BB, where the worst character is given the best edit to keep the arguments going to generate 'buzz' on Twatter.

Desmond's fault? A sign of the reactionary times? Bit of both?

BTW, I'm not saying that Gary Busey is the same kind of horrid as the other 3, just that the trend for protecting and promoting at best WUM's and at worst bigots is there.

It says something that the last 'decent' winner I can remember is Charlotte Crosby.
CrashDavis
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“She sees where they are alike but desperately envies his ability to completely let go and not worry about the facade, I think. An Achilles heel of her rigid personality. Another way for Perez, just by being Perez, to get under her particular skin.”

Yep, Perez is obviously a wally but he can be emotional and carefree at times, which can be endearing to people. I don't think Hopkins is capable of crying at all. And when she pretends to worry for people it's so fecking cringeworthy and robotic.
LPK
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“As opposed to someone criticizing a nurse who was giving Aid to people suffering from Ebola and picked it up herself through that amazing work.

As opposed to someone who thinks its okay to tell a country to restart a bombing campaign on another country of "Filthy Rodents"

As opposed to someone who promotes class exists in someones name.”

But you say all these like Perez hasn't done things equally as abhorrent.

When disagreeing with Carrie Prejean over marriage equality, he publicly released a video lambasting her, labelling her as a "dumb bitch".

When Will.I.Am went to ask him about criticism he'd post regarding the Black Eyed Peas on his blog, he responded by calling Will.I.Am a "faggot". He later admitted he also wanted to call him a certain racial slur beginning with 'n' to try and provoke him further.

As the news of Michael Jackson's death broke in the news, Perez decided to use it as an opportunity to accuse MJ of faking it as part of a publicity stunt, encouraging people to demand refunds for their tickets. He conveniently went and removed that content after he realised he was an idiot.

In 2010, he decided to use his blog to link to an alleged upskirt shot of Miley Cyrus not wearing underpants. She was a minor at the time.

And that's before I even start covering the juvenile spats he has with celebrities, which is certainly on par with Hopkins.

I'm not against people disliking Hopkins, but lets not pretend that Perez is the anti-Hopkins here. He's just an Americanised version of her. until Katie Hopkins starts wanting to use homophobic and racial slurs, or to link to pictures that could potentially be classified as child pornography, I'm afraid Hilton very much has the edge on her in terms of despicable behaviour.
JohnShaft
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“When it's said tongue in cheek, with satire, to get headlines in papers it's fine. There is humour. Lots of comedians take the piss and do exactly the same as Katie.”

I tend to agree. I suspect that KH does what she does for comedic effect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adddd7Hhqqg

I refuse to believe anyone is THAT stupid!

The characters created by Sacha Baron Cohen spring to mind. I look forward to the movie starring Katie Hopkins.
Cat-
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Beetlejuice:
“We live in a free country and in BB people always argue and take sides. BUT Katie Hopkin's character traits goes waaaay beyond that. It's not about her views and opinions it's her intolerance toward people who stand up against her or just simply won't be influenced by her. That she cannot tolerate.

You may strongly dislike Perez and understand how housemates may be sick to death of him, but how Katie Hopkins has been seen to treat people she despises is another matter again. Calling for someone to be 'shunned' is one of the worse things you can do to anyone in society. Shunning causes suicides in societies and she's intelligent enough to know what she was calling for and the effect shunning would have on Perez who was already emotionally instable. It's far more evil than hurling insults. (Cami Lee hurling an insult about slitting Perez's throat wasn't acceptable either but it was an outburst and she was warned by BB for it as has Perez for his outbursts in response to her goading. Shunning is a different beast however, it's what members of specific sects dread and is the most powerful punishment that can be afflicted upon them. Who the H*LL can support someone who calls for shunning to be implemented !! What kind of people are they?

However anyone Katie Hopkins despises she wants completely anniolated as a human being. She wants them emotionally destroyed. And her hatred is also directed toward anyone who has more patience than her with the said person. She wants them isolated also and brought down by her gang too. She lays down dictats that must be followed to the letter by her gang.

How come they have all turned against Cheggers??? I mean he's a nice guy, respectful to other people and hasn't a bad word to say about anyone. In fact someone like Cheggars would normally be a popular person within the house. Hopkins sees him as dangerous competition however so has labelled him a weakling because he refuses to become a monster like her or allow himself to be controlled by her. She tolerates no-one who does not follow her line of intolerance against specific people.

Kati P and Cheggers are really the strong ones because they don't worship at the temple of Katie Hopkins. They refuse to allow her to turn their brain to mush and become her zombie, like what has happened to her wing woman Michelle. Michelle has been reduced to being her puppet. This was someone who made much of her image as a strong person with opinions. 'Where are they now'. Do you really think Katie H likes Michelle? I hardly think so given her sweeping intolerant diatribes against Americans in general in the diary room. She knows Americans are impressed with her posh English voice and will turn to mush as soon as she opens her mouth however. Katie Hopkins is a perfect example of how psychopaths can climb the ladder to achieve control in society because so many people start 'admiring' them...something they usually come to regret later!!!!! ”

Excellent post. You are so right. For all the faults on both sides on this year's show, Hopkin's isolation and ostracising has been the worst I've seen since Shabhaz. She's an absolute horror of a woman. And her sidekick and enabler, Michelle Visage is every bit as bad if not worse in many ways.
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