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What It Means If Hopkins Wins.....
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MargMck
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Excellent post. You are so right. For all the faults on both sides on this year's show, Hopkin's isolation and ostracising has been the worst I've seen since Shabhaz. She's an absolute horror of a woman. And her sidekick and enabler, Michelle Visage is every bit as bad if not worse in many ways.”

You know, it is possible that I find Michelle's behaviour as henchwoman and enabler even more repugnant than that of Hopkins. We know what Hopkins is, how she openly expresses her scorn of various sections of society. People who are a 'bit different' probably unsettle her because they are harder to read. It's like herding cats for her, outside her control.
But Michelle... the great self-professed champion of "The Gays", anyone with some kind of alliance to LGBT issues, "The Community", and in particular "All the freaks, all the weirdos, all the misfits". How the Bleep can she have sellotaped herself to something as hideous and self-righteous as Hopkins?
Cat-
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by MargMck:
“You know, it is possible that I find Michelle's behaviour as henchwoman and enabler even more repugnant than that of Hopkins. We know what Hopkins is, how she openly expresses her scorn of various sections of society. People who are a 'bit different' probably unsettle her because they are harder to read. It's like herding cats for her, outside her control.
But Michelle... the great self-professed champion of "The Gays", anyone with some kind of alliance to LGBT issues, "The Community", and in particular "All the freaks, all the weirdos, all the misfits". How the Bleep can she have sellotaped herself to something as hideous and self-righteous as Hopkins?”

I was just speaking to my sister today and she was saying how much of a fan she was of Michelle's and thought she was great on the Drag Race show, but can't believe how she's come across on CBB. She said the same as you in that she's in many many ways worse than KH's to sit and condone the treatment of other hms. How she's never opened her mouth once in their defense, but instead has sat nodding in agreement with KH. It actually sickens me watching how the two of them have operated on this show and been allowed by BB to get away with it.
JohnShaft
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Is it?

I wasn't aware that Hopkins was a comedian - she doesn't make me laugh.

Apparently she says what everyone's thinking doesn't she?”

It's peoples reaction to her that makes me laugh. Thankfully she wasn't taken seriously during the European elections. Restores some faith in the British public.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“One of the more positive things about Jim Davidson winning was the debate it caused regarding his apparent 'sexist' attitude. I think we had a chance to make up our own minds (albeit edited). Same goes here with Hopkins. You might find most actually think she is alright after all. And that she is allowed to have her opinion even if you don't agree with it.”

Yes of course she is allowed to have her opinion.Well she has such strong, biaised opinions about so many types of people. Perhaps you don't know much about her....here is a taster

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ements-3787639

Yes of course she is allowed to have her opinion. Do you support the views in that link?

Have you understood my OP and what worries me?
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“Denise Welsh .. Was a loud mouth drunk who exposes herself. Winner

Charlotte Whateverhername ... Loudmouthed bed wetting drunk. Winner

I rest my case.”

Yes exactly...BB seems to be plummeting the depths.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Have you watched her say something and then sit listening? I have. She throws the clanger and wants to hear people stand up for themselves or argue their point. She is happy to debate.”

Is she? She says she sees things in black and white...that suggests no grey area i.e. that debating would be futile.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“Repercussions to what or who? I don't think it will affect world peace if Katie Hopkins wins CBB.

I do not think she is a bully but agree some of her views are a bit extreme but not all of them”

She has the power to influence the general public, i.e. a questionable role model. She writes a column for The Sun.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“That is her opinion (as you said, in her view) so how is that bullying?”

I gave 2 examples of her bullying in the OP, i.e. "isolate the bastard" and saying she will persecute Perez until he leaves.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“I suggest you pay a visit to Twitter if you think that. Those loons make Hopkins look like Mary Poppins.”

That is beside the point...she stands to win CBB and, if so, would be in an influential position - a very dubious role model.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“When it's said tongue in cheek, with satire, to get headlines in papers it's fine. There is humour. Lots of comedians take the piss and do exactly the same as Katie.”

Except, sadly, Katie really DOES believe what she says, i.e. hates Northerners, gingers, people with tattoos, the unemployed, the obese....it's a very, very long list.
goldylookinfish
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“That is beside the point...she stands to win CBB and, if so, would be in an influential position - a very dubious role model.”

This isn't a children's show.
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by goldylookinfish:
“This isn't a children's show.”

Do adults not have role models
goldylookinfish
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Do adults not have role models ”

They're unlikely to be influenced by them like children could be. It's like saying a sun columnist is a bad role model for their readers.
Conehead
03-02-2015
She has raised her profile - I didn't know who she was - and has probably generated loads of ill-will towards her on twitter.

She may get offered Good Morning Britain - she says: “What ‘GMB’ needs is an irritating woman with a big nose, posh voice and varicose veins who wives love to hate. I’m right here waiting.”
droogiefret
03-02-2015
I've never been a fan of the 'keep the entertaining nasties in the house'. Firstly, they are not entertaining to me, and secondly don't play with your food.

If she wins it will be down to all the people who wanted to keep her in for entertainment purposes as well as the people who, for whatever reason, actually want her to win.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by goldylookinfish:
“This isn't a children's show.”

Adults look to other adults for inspiration and are influenced by knowing that a person has won something.

Unlike some of the other recent BB winners, she has a voice i.e. regularly writes a column in a daily paper and hence has the ability to influence huge sections of the general public. So, if she had the advantage of winning CBB, more people are likely to listen to her and hence be influenced by her views.
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by goldylookinfish:
“They're unlikely to be influenced by them like children could be. It's like saying a sun columnist is a bad role model for their readers.”

Well Michelle, Calum, Chloe, Cami Li, et al. have fallen for it and that's just for starters.
amyawake
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well Michelle, Calum, Chloe, Cami Li, et al. have fallen for it and that's just for starters.”

Good point. Bullies tend to be good manipulators.
GreenEyes8
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Sharona68:
“Perez isn't the subject matter on this thread.”

Maybe you should read the OP's post again !!!
postit
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Angie_Plasty:
“Jim Davidson is a bigot and a WUM and he won. Helen is a bully and won. Busey is a WUM and won . So the trend is there on Desmond's BB, where the worst character is given the best edit to keep the arguments going to generate 'buzz' on Twatter.

Desmond's fault? A sign of the reactionary times? Bit of both?

BTW, I'm not saying that Gary Busey is the same kind of horrid as the other 3, just that the trend for protecting and promoting at best WUM's and at worst bigots is there.

It says something that the last 'decent' winner I can remember is Charlotte Crosby. ”

Good grief.
dirtybreaks
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“Well, my take on it is this. The BB audience is skewed from what it once was by the fact that Ch 5 have taken it in a different direction and meddle a lot more to create manufactured drama. They deliberately pick more extreme housemates, nicer and nastier, to ramp it up to the max. That attracts a kind of audience who thrive on that stuff and aren't representative of the wider population. Those of us who are still hanging on through the changes are left bewildered and drawing conclusions about the wider world, because we are in the main thoughtful and reflective people.

UKIP might have gained in popularity over the last year or two, but I don't think we have to worry about them, they are a bunch of losers and nutters and the whole edifice will collapse into chaos before very long.”

This is a great post and I wholeheartedly agree. What people tend to forget is that the MAJORITY of people in the UK are left-wing progressive i.e. they vote Labour, Green or Lib Dem. The Conservatives are in power with a minority right-wing. UKIP (also right-wing) currently have just one MP - we tend to forget this with all the media coverage they now have.

Yes there is a definite change occurring in British politics, a backlash against the "politically correct lefties" but when all is said and done, this will not translate to enough votes because quite simply, most people in Britain are decent human beings who want to live in a society where we have empathy and help our weakest.

And actually, if you look at the polls on here, you'll also see that a MAJORITY of people do not like Hopkins (or at least, would rather someone else win). So yes, this forum might well be a little skewed in comparison to the wider-world but I think you'll still find the "say it like it is" brigade are much smaller than they seem on here.
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Yes of course she is allowed to have her opinion.Well she has such strong, biaised opinions about so many types of people. Perhaps you don't know much about her....here is a taster

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ements-3787639

Yes of course she is allowed to have her opinion. Do you support the views in that link?

Have you understood my OP and what worries me?”

I just said she is allowed to have those opinions. I'm aware of what she has said in the past. I take a lot of these things with a pinch of salt because I don't agree. She generalises and makes sweeping statements to highlight issues rather than pander to it. It gives a platform to then debate.
Marianne_321
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by OMGItsAnnie:
“If parasite Perez wins then it's basically saying it's okay to threaten someone with rape.”

Surely, you don't really believe he was being serious! In his argument with Calum, Perez felt insulted & was trying to insult him back. No way do I think Perez should have said it, but BB did warn him about it later on.

If Calum had said he wished Perez dead, we wouldn't think he actually would go on & murder him, but also get a warning from BB!

People can & do say really horrid things to each other in arguments.

Also, I don't believe anyone in the house condones rape.

What about Katie Hopkins saying she would kill her kids if they had ADHD (which was a totally disgusting thing to say). On that basis, you could say that she threatened potential child murder.

I personally can't stand Hopkins. She is a manipulative shit stirrer. I don't think Perez will win but would actually like him to. If not Perez, then anyone but the vile Hopkins!!
postit
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“She has the power to influence the general public, i.e. a questionable role model. She writes a column for The Sun.”

This quote by Edmund Burke is a timely reminder:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by dirtybreaks:
“This is a great post and I wholeheartedly agree. What people tend to forget is that the MAJORITY of people in the UK are left-wing progressive i.e. they vote Labour, Green or Lib Dem. The Conservatives are in power with a minority right-wing. UKIP (also right-wing) currently have just one MP - we tend to forget this with all the media coverage they now have.

Yes there is a definite change occurring in British politics, a backlash against the "politically correct lefties" but when all is said and done, this will not translate to enough votes because quite simply, most people in Britain are decent human beings who want to live in a society where we have empathy and help our weakest.

And actually, if you look at the polls on here, you'll also see that a MAJORITY of people do not like Hopkins (or at least, would rather someone else win). So yes, this forum might well be a little skewed in comparison to the wider-world but I think you'll still find the "say it like it is" brigade are much smaller than they seem on here.”

And when it comes to voting they are complacent. you'll find that it is the extremists who turn out in their numbers.
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