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What It Means If Hopkins Wins.....
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HoHoHoHo
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by xynaria:
“It's also the case that despite todays current demonisation there is still a relatively acute job shortage and your thinking doesn't do anything to help those unemployed and neither does the puddle headed imitation of thinking that Ms Hopkins proffers




That entitlement actually comes by current law which if you disagree with then it is something you might take up with your local MP.

Why should inequality be increasing at an exponential rate............that is fair is it?

Is it fair that the minimum wage isn't even livable on?

This government in particular makes great store by trying to kid the people that benefits are bankrupting the country and that benefits means only people that are work shy or fraudulent in some way. The biggest outlay in benefits is to pensioners by a huge margin and cynically because they are now the largest segment of society they are comparatively better catered for. After that the biggest outlay is to housing benefits and why?....because there are no rent controls and so the low paid as well as the sick and unemployed can only be housed with support. All that money could be released into society instead of the landlords if we return rent controls.

The outlay to the unemployed is actually not that high comparatively.

Katie Hopkins sprouts the same BS that this government sprouts and it bears no scrutiny whatsoever even by their own figures.

But if you want to believe it makes sense good for you.....................”


Well said.
Helenbemerry
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by xynaria:
“It's also the case that despite todays current demonisation there is still a relatively acute job shortage and your thinking doesn't do anything to help those unemployed and neither does the puddle headed imitation of thinking that Ms Hopkins proffers




That entitlement actually comes by current law which if you disagree with then it is something you might take up with your local MP.

Why should inequality be increasing at an exponential rate............that is fair is it?

Is it fair that the minimum wage isn't even livable on?

This government in particular makes great store by trying to kid the people that benefits are bankrupting the country and that benefits means only people that are work shy or fraudulent in some way. The biggest outlay in benefits is to pensioners by a huge margin and cynically because they are now the largest segment of society they are comparatively better catered for. After that the biggest outlay is to housing benefits and why?....because there are no rent controls and so the low paid as well as the sick and unemployed can only be housed with support. All that money could be released into society instead of the landlords if we return rent controls.

The outlay to the unemployed is actually not that high comparatively.

Katie Hopkins sprouts the same BS that this government sprouts and it bears no scrutiny whatsoever even by their own figures.

But if you want to believe it makes sense good for you.....................”

Pensioners have fought for this country, have lived through times when there was no such thing as benefits so if they didn't work, they didn't eat and had to live in appalling conditions because at least it was a roof over their heads. They have worked, paid into the system so are ENTITLED to get something back out of it and I would give them more. There are plenty who cannot afford to live or have heating because they don't get enough money.

There are plenty of people who choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle and do very nicely out of it and anyone who doesn't believe this either has the money to live in an area where this doesn't happen or is burying their head in the Guardian and spouting the BS that is in there.

Katie H writes a column in a newspaper and sends a few tweets giving her opinion, she is not responsible for unemployment, housing shortages, etc.
Penfolds_place
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“I would be happy for Katie H to win CBB. I've said before I didn't like her before she went into the house but having listened to the reasons why she says some of what she says, I find myself agreeing with her with some things.

I took cleaning jobs because there was nothing else but that doesn't mean other people should, just that I was brought up to support myself and not live on hand outs. That is how I choose to live, others choose to live on hand outs when they are more than capable of working - this annoys me as it does Katie H so I do agree with her on this.

People reacted to my previous post by putting up percentages of tax evaders and people claiming benefits fraudulently but pushing more how awful the tax evaders were than the benefits frauds. This again annoys me about todays society - certain people are more worried that people who are working aren't paying enough of it back to support people that choose not to or are claiming it fraudulently. They also claimed some people aren't even claiming what they are entitled too - where does this entitlement come from?

I agree with some things that Katie H says and I disagree with others - either way it doesn't affect my life so she doesn't bother me in the slightest.”

You might not live on direct hand outs but you will be supported by other people in society who pay more tax than you which goes to fund schools, or hospitals or the police or any number of other things. We all have certain expectations or "entitlements" in our society such as a school to be educated in, a number to call if we are a victim of crime. We should be entitled to a minimum wage so we can afford shelter and food and if a job is not available we are entitled to claim benefits so as not to starve or become homeless while we attempt to find another job. It's not about being entitled to something for nothing, just enough not to starve on the streets. As a civilised society I think it's right to do those things, otherwise a cleaner could not afford to send their child to school, but a millionaire business man could. That's exactly what used to happen. The rich stayed rich and the poor stayed poor.

In an ideal world everyone would contribute, but apart from problems or illness that prevents this there are also not enough jobs for 100% employment. If it is so easy to live on benefits everyone would do it, it's not a good life for the majority of people.
JeanGenie
04-02-2015
I must admit to not liking Katie Hopkins before she went into the BB house. I even signed an online petition to get her off our TV screens. However I've changed my mind. I love her now. She says the things she does just to wind people up and I think that a lot of the things she says are tongue in cheek. Some people just don't get her humour.
xynaria
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“Pensioners have fought for this country, have lived through times when there was no such thing as benefits so if they didn't work, they didn't eat and had to live in appalling conditions because at least it was a roof over their heads. They have worked, paid into the system so are ENTITLED to get something back out of it and I would give them more. There are plenty who cannot afford to live or have heating because they don't get enough money.”

I have no problem with pensioners being better catered for ..I was merely pointing out that this myth that we are being hung out to dry by a bunch of work shy frausters is BS

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“There are plenty of people who choose to live on benefits as a lifestyle and do very nicely out of it and anyone who doesn't believe this either has the money to live in an area where this doesn't happen or is burying their head in the Guardian and spouting the BS that is in there.”

Anyone unemployed especially long term is not exactly having an easy time..they are certainly not doing very nicely out of it....don't believe me try it and then tell everyone what an easy life you're having. And the majority of unemployed have paid into the system too.

Yes there are some fraudsters..there's even more in the so called higher reaches of society who are milking far more out of it but hey the great thing about BS is it's easy to believe it
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“Katie H writes a column in a newspaper and sends a few tweets giving her opinion, she is not responsible for unemployment, housing shortages, etc.”

No but she is responsible for misinformation, negative stereotyping, general rudeness and being ever so slightly massively unintelligent.

Whatever floats your boat though................................
IsThisHappiness
04-02-2015
What does it mean?

That she's the most popular.

There's a lot of people on this forum taking the high road and telling people that her behaviour is awful and so is the people that support it. No, **** that.

If she wins it means she got the most votes, is the most popular, and deserved it. Simple.
IsThisHappiness
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by xynaria:
“I have no problem with pensioners being better catered for ..I was merely pointing out that this myth that we are being hung out to dry by a bunch of work shy frausters is BS



Anyone unemployed especially long term is not exactly having an easy time..they are certainly not doing very nicely out of it....don't believe me try it and then tell everyone what an easy life you're having. And the majority of unemployed have paid into the system too.

Yes there are some fraudsters..there's even more in the so called higher reaches of society who are milking far more out of it but hey the great thing about BS is it's easy to believe it


No but she is responsible for misinformation, negative stereotyping, general rudeness and being ever so slightly massively unintelligent.


Whatever floats your boat though................................”

if she was responsible for all that wouldn't she of been the first person ever to do such things? She wasn't.

Such an overreaction from the Loose Women brigade on this forum.
Christ_DeBurg
04-02-2015
If either Hopkins or Perez win it will be a disaster. For god's sake don't vote for either of them.
Helenbemerry
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penfolds_place:
“You might not live on direct hand outs but you will be supported by other people in society who pay more tax than you which goes to fund schools, or hospitals or the police or any number of other things. We all have certain expectations or "entitlements" in our society such as a school to be educated in, a number to call if we are a victim of crime. We should be entitled to a minimum wage so we can afford shelter and food and if a job is not available we are entitled to claim benefits so as not to starve or become homeless while we attempt to find another job. It's not about being entitled to something for nothing, just enough not to starve on the streets. As a civilised society I think it's right to do those things, otherwise a cleaner could not afford to send their child to school, but a millionaire business man could. That's exactly what used to happen. The rich stayed rich and the poor stayed poor.

In an ideal world everyone would contribute, but apart from problems or illness that prevents this there are also not enough jobs for 100% employment. If it is so easy to live on benefits everyone would do it, it's not a good life for the majority of people.”

I cannot disagree with what you've said and you have raised some good points (and without the need for sarcasm or blaming Katie H for what is wrong in this country!).

I have never said that all people on benefits are workshy scroungers, there are plenty who are only in that position because of circumstances and are desperate to get out of that situation. I would love to see banks brought to task for charging fees for people who are in financial hardship, councils who set bailiffs on people who can't afford to pay their council tax so increasing their debt, pay day money lenders who charge extortionate rates of interest, judges who fine beggars or shoplifters who are stealing food, people that impose fines on parents who take their kids out of schools rather than the travel agents who raise the prices during school holidays, bus and trains firms who charge more for people travelling to work, energy companies who are only just putting their prices down even though they should have done when the price of oil when down, etc. This all makes far more sense to me personally than blaming a z list celebrity for everything that is wrong in the world who writes a column in a newspaper and sends out tweets to cause controversy and comparing them to Hitler!
xynaria
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“if she was responsible for all that wouldn't she of been the first person ever to do such things? She wasn't.

Such an overreaction from the Loose Women brigade on this forum.”

er sorry but your statement isn't making any sense to me............................
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