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Having an opinion or generalising or making stereotypical comments..
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Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Does not have to equate to bullying.

In my view, we can by way too sensitive about an opinion even if they seem extreme.

Bullying is victimisation and can take all sorts of forms. Having an opinion is not.

That's just my opinion
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Who said it was?
RabidWolverine1
03-02-2015
If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion
Keith_Ferrell
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“That's just my opinion ”

You bully!

Not sure what you're referencing, but I agree with the sentiment.
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion ”

Now this one is slightly tricky - granted. I believe Katie thought this was the best way to handle a bully in her opinion.
Ms Ann Thrope
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion ”

Exactly. That was what I thought as well.
nitpikkin2
03-02-2015
Having an opinion such as "Everyone should isolate X person" is harmful and bullying.

Having an opinion such as Katie Hopkins is a bigot, on the other hand, is not bullying.

It's not difficult.
Ms Ann Thrope
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Now this one is slightly tricky - granted. I believe Katie thought this was the best way to handle a bully in her opinion.”

And that's why black is white, eh?
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“Exactly. That was what I thought as well.”

See above
nitpikkin2
03-02-2015
Bingo Rabidwolverine!
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“And that's why black is white, eh? ”

Eh?

Not saying she was right to say that.. Just they had got to a point they didn't know how to handle Perez's bullying.
mmpfb
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Now this one is slightly tricky - granted. I believe Katie thought this was the best way to handle a bully in her opinion.”

Bullies generally operate from a position of power - individual physical strength is the classic school bully, for instance, or influence over weaker willed subservients who will do their bidding for them. Their primary weapon is intimidation in some form or another. I don't think you can say any of those things about Perez. You can, however, ascribe at least one of them to Hopkins.
**JennaJ**
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion ”



Not just your opinion, mine too.
bobbyd
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Eh?

Not saying she was right to say that.. Just they had got to a point they didn't know how to handle Perez's bullying.”


They did. Paranoia was rife. They really did believe Perez's pronouncements that he called all the shots. That he would break them one by one. Katie herself didn't isolate him, she took him on - full on wrecking ball stylee.

Just my opinion
Keith_Ferrell
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Eh?

Not saying she was right to say that.. Just they had got to a point they didn't know how to handle Perez's bullying.”

Perez's bullying? I didn't see it that way. Anyway, Hopkins doesn't need an excuse, as we're seeing now with her treatment of Pricey and Cheggers.
Moo_Chops
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion ”

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There are so many isolations placed by our government, communities and even at personal levels that it is frightening.....

What about teachers that have affairs with their pupils, criminal records that cause an effective halt to any meaningful career, muslims being intimidated and isolated due to events that have no other connection than they share the same basic religeon, single white males being refused entry to public parks, women made to feel uncomfortable breast feeding.... the list goes on and on...

Not all of these are universally accepted but they do happen and many enforce the isolations..
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Bullies generally operate from a position of power - individual physical strength is the classic school bully, for instance, or influence over weaker willed subservients who will do their bidding for them. Their primary weapon is intimidation in some form or another. I don't think you can say any of those things about Perez. You can, however, ascribe at least one of them to Hopkins.”

I think you can ascribe quite a few bullying techniques to Perez. The main one, which most bullies use is 'manipulation'. He has said it himself.. He likes to get in people's heads.. He did through his actions rather than words. He jumped on the Ken bandwagon, jumped on the Jeremy bandwagon, he played the rule book card with numerous HM's. And just goaded Alexander enough to tip him over the edge..

I think maybe the housemates (led by Katie) couldn't be arsed with it after it became apparent.
Scamps8
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Now this one is slightly tricky - granted. I believe Katie thought this was the best way to handle a bully in her opinion.”

Perhaps a good way to handle a bully but no one listened and the bully wasn't isolated
humpty dumpty
03-02-2015
Having an opinion is not bullying - yep, I don't think there would be many who would say that it was. They'd be quite strange if they did.

Generalising and stereotyping - while usually done negatively, and can be inaccurate and show laziness (sometimes even ignorance) I would agree thats not bullying either. I'd find it very strange to hear anyone suggesting stereotyping was bullying?

Bullying can come in many forms but usually involves the harassing or intimidation of an individual, (usually to one who is seen as being more being more vulnerable than them or the most vulnerable in the group) constantly picking on them/goading them/insulting them for no good reason other than to make them feel bad (particularly in front of others) and can also include victimising/ostracising them from a group and trying to get others to do the same.
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Keith_Ferrell:
“Perez's bullying? I didn't see it that way. Anyway, Hopkins doesn't need an excuse, as we're seeing now with her treatment of Pricey and Cheggers.”

But she is just stating an opinion. Cheggars is grumpy etc.. This in itself is not bullying. She debated it with Cheggars.
Scamps8
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“Having an opinion such as "Everyone should isolate X person" is harmful and bullying.

Having an opinion such as Katie Hopkins is a bigot, on the other hand, is not bullying.

It's not difficult.”

It might be harmful and bullying in some people's opinion but it didn't happen so argument is mute
Penny Crayon
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Scamps8:
“It might be harmful and bullying in some people's opinion but it didn't happen so argument is mute”

Is your telly mute too?
greenyone
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“If it's your opinion it's bullying

It would depend what the opinion is to be honest.

If the opinion is "Isolate the B******"...then I'd class that as bullying.

Just my opinion ”

That's my opinion too
Jules_Thornley
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Having an opinion is not bullying - yep, I don't think there would be many who would say that it was. They'd be quite strange if they did.

Generalising and stereotyping - while usually done negatively, and can be inaccurate and show laziness (sometimes even ignorance) I would agree thats not bullying either. I'd find it very strange to hear anyone suggesting stereotyping was bullying?

Bullying can come in many forms but usually involves the harassing or intimidation of an individual, (usually one to be seen as more being more vulnerable than them or the most vulnerable in the group) constantly picking on them/goading them/insulting them for no good reason other than to make them feel bad (particularly in front of others) and can also include victimising/ostracising them from a group and trying to get others to do the same.”

I agree with this post

Also I would add I have seen some people shouting bully at some of Katie's sweeping generalisations..
humpty dumpty
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“I agree with this post

Also I would add I have seen some people shouting bully at some of Katie's sweeping generalisations..”

They've obviously not understood what the word bullying means then if they call it that Quite a few of her generalisations that shes made outside of the house have been ignorant, inaccurate, insulting and unecessary, but I wouldn't consider any of it to resemble bullying.

In the house however, I have seen her exhibiting bullying behaviour on more than one occasion.
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