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But she is just stating an opinion. Cheggars is grumpy etc.. This in itself is not bullying. She debated it with Cheggars.
She didn't debate it. She called him a grumpy old bastard and immediately fled the room. This is what she does...attack and retreat. The same with all her rather unpleasant tweets, all done safely from a distance. Now if I saw her have a face to face debate with the Palestinians, the Muslims or ebola victims I might find some respect for her.
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They've obviously not understood what the word bullying means then if they call it that
Quite a few of her generalisations that shes made outside of the house have been ignorant, inaccurate, insulting and unecessary, but I wouldn't consider any of it to resemble bullying.In the house however, I have seen her exhibiting bullying behaviour on more than one occasion. So pick another example? She is confrontational but again that doesn't mean she is a bully. |
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She didn't debate it. She called him a grumpy old bastard and immediately fled the room. This is what she does...attack and retreat. The same with all her rather unpleasant tweets, all done safely from a distance. Now if I saw her have a face to face debate with the Palestinians, the Muslims or ebola victims I might find some respect for her. |
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I don't buy the isolation quote as bullying because of the circumstances beforehand. However isolation can be used as a bullying technique.
So pick another example? She is confrontational but again that doesn't mean she is a bully. |
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I don't buy the isolation quote as bullying because of the circumstances beforehand. However isolation can be used as a bullying technique.
So pick another example? She is confrontational but again that doesn't mean she is a bully. The goading of Nadia and Perez, where they said nothing, in the bedroom would be another example of bullying, in my view. The isolation and Katie's encouragement of others (Nadia and Alicia) to isolate Perez is typical of a bully in my opinion. She gets away because Nadia and Perez were deemed "acceptable" targets for whatever reason. Oh and apparently she's "witty". |
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Would Katie's constant goading of Perez do you. She must have been in his ear nonstop for around 10mins, when he was sat by her on the sofa, and he was just yawning at her.
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Hopkins is a goading type of person, you just have to shut her down quickly, and usually it's easier when you know something she doesn't.
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Now this one is slightly tricky - granted. I believe Katie thought this was the best way to handle a bully in her opinion.
Does it require will power to walk away when someone is kicking off? Absolutely but it can be done. She doesn't give Perez the chance to walk away though...how many times has she followed him around the house digging away at him. Quote:
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There are so many isolations placed by our government, communities and even at personal levels that it is frightening..... What about teachers that have affairs with their pupils, criminal records that cause an effective halt to any meaningful career, muslims being intimidated and isolated due to events that have no other connection than they share the same basic religeon, single white males being refused entry to public parks, women made to feel uncomfortable breast feeding.... the list goes on and on... Not all of these are universally accepted but they do happen and many enforce the isolations.. I can't condone Hopkins actions in any way here. Quote:
Exactly. That was what I thought as well.
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Not just your opinion, mine too.
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Bingo Rabidwolverine!
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So are we all excusing the circumstances that led up to the goading of Perez and the isolation request?
I will have to take each one of the above mentioned examples one by one.. I might even agree with you on some you never know..
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I don't buy the isolation quote as bullying because of the circumstances beforehand. However isolation can be used as a bullying technique.
So pick another example? She is confrontational but again that doesn't mean she is a bully. She displayed most of what I have already described as bullying behaviour towards him. I appreciate that some people believe it was because Perez deserved it because of his previous behaviour, that she was doing it for a good reason (to get him to stop being annoying) etc. As annoying as Perez had been, I still viewed her attempts to ostracize him, as well as her attempts to hound anyone who went against her wishes to ostracize him as bullying, nasty behaviour - much more reflective of her character than the situation with Perez. I know others thought differently. However the fact that she continues to show exactly the same mean spirited, childish behaviour towards Keith and Katie P (ie picking faults in them, bitching behind their backs to her clique about them to turn them against them, signalling for her clique members to leave them and go into another room, anouncing her plans to isolate them and encouraging others in the group to do the same) proves to me that this is the kind of person she is, this is the kind of thing she likes to do and Perez wasn't the exception to the rule, where allowances were made for her because they thought he was. |
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It might be harmful and bullying in some people's opinion but it didn't happen so argument is mute
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I'm behind the times re the forum so forgive me if I cover old ground but didn't Perez start this war of words with Katie Hopkins, he told everyone that didn't know her that she was the most hated person in Britain etc and then didn't he attack her first (quite aggressively) about her affair?
Didn't he then go on to pretty much alienate himself from everyone else with his constant childish attention seeking behaviour and using the rule book get people in to trouble with BB? With that in mind isn't the best thing to do with a trouble making child ignore them and isn't that what she was saying to do? |
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Does not have to equate to bullying.
In my view, we can by way too sensitive about an opinion even if they seem extreme. Bullying is victimisation and can take all sorts of forms. Having an opinion is not. That's just my opinion ![]() Putting out a call to shun someone is not an opinion. It is victimisation. And I applaud the 'sensitive' people who know the difference |
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Eh?
Not saying she was right to say that.. Just they had got to a point they didn't know how to handle Perez's bullying. |
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I think you can ascribe quite a few bullying techniques to Perez. The main one, which most bullies use is 'manipulation'. He has said it himself.. He likes to get in people's heads.. He did through his actions rather than words. He jumped on the Ken bandwagon, jumped on the Jeremy bandwagon, he played the rule book card with numerous HM's. And just goaded Alexander enough to tip him over the edge..
I think maybe the housemates (led by Katie) couldn't be arsed with it after it became apparent. He's a troll, there's no two ways about it. But, so is Hopkins. And there are fundamental differences that make me appreciate Perez's trolling more than I do Hopkins' Such as... Motivation: My reading of Perez is that his motivation for winding people up, as far as I can tell, is to break through the walls of their pretence. He drops a little Perez-bomb that is a little too close to the bone for those fragile celebrity egos, many of which are just based on PR, sits back and allows them to reveal themselves in their reactions. Cases in point - Alex's ingrained homophobia. Callum's 'cool dude' veil. On the flip-side you have Hopkins whose motivation appears to be... um... personal gain and or influence? Her 'brand'? One day to launch a political career? Marginalising easy targets so she can get more tax breaks? I don't know, you tell me. One motivation is centred around exposing the inner workings of privileged celebrity bullshit PR personas, highlighting hypocrisy etc. One appears just to be mockery of marginalised groups ('but I'm funny' she bleats, unconvincingly) Perez is undoubtedly a nightmare to live with. But that's exactly his brilliance in this particular context. I *hated* him with a passion in the first week or so. I've now warmed to him to the extent of wanting him to win. I've said before he's like some sick twisted genius and I stand by that, at least for the moment. Sometimes we need troublemakers. Sometimes we need provocateurs. He's an evil but, I believe in this instance, a necessary evil. |
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Putting out a call to shun someone is not an opinion. It is victimisation. And I applaud the 'sensitive' people who know the difference
![]() Yes. It isn't an opinion. And I don't believe it was bullying either. I didn't raise this issue as an opinion. Other posters did. |
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Ouch! Touché
![]() Yes. It isn't an opinion. And I don't believe it was bullying either. I didn't raise this issue as an opinion. Other posters did. I meant to edit the post! |
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Expressing an opinion isn"t necessarily bullying but then behaving like an idiotic 5 year old isn"t bullying either.
No. But noone is saying he is a bully for behaving like a 5yr old. He did however manipulate a lot of HMs at the beginning. To get them out and rile them. Katie has been consistently reacting to that since. |
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No. But noone is saying he is a bully for behaving like a 5yr old. He did however manipulate a lot of HMs at the beginning. To get them out and rile them.
Katie has been consistently reacting to that since. I don't think he did. |
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No. But noone is saying he is a bully for behaving like a 5yr old. He did however manipulate a lot of HMs at the beginning. To get them out and rile them.
Katie has been consistently reacting to that since. |
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Did he? Or is that what Hopkins says?
I don't think he did. |
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Would Katie's constant goading of Perez do you. She must have been in his ear nonstop for around 10mins, when he was sat by her on the sofa, and he was just yawning at her.
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It's what a lot of them have said and it's even been shown.
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Yes they have ......I think Hopkins told them that though.
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LOL and she somehow influenced what we've seen too.
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She didn't debate it. She called him a grumpy old bastard and immediately fled the room. This is what she does...attack and retreat. The same with all her rather unpleasant tweets, all done safely from a distance. Now if I saw her have a face to face debate with the Palestinians, the Muslims or ebola victims I might find some respect for her.


Quite a few of her generalisations that shes made outside of the house have been ignorant, inaccurate, insulting and unecessary, but I wouldn't consider any of it to resemble bullying.