What have you seen? Because it seems to be fundamentally different to what I have seen.

The Alicia thing was bordering on bullying. I almost agree. However, her opinion that Alicia seemed a little - lets say 'naive' was probably justified somewhat. And mostly she chatted to Alicia about it all - maybe pulling a few grimaces in the process. But Hopkins didn't go all out of her way to make fun of her. I think sometimes she was genuinely bamboozled by her lack of knowledge on certain things or her priorities with regards to her own body and perhaps working on some of these 'knowledge' issues.

Almost yes, they are as bad as each other. Maybe. Right? Perhaps not. But taken in the context of how things developed you can understand.

As I said, I think Katie H wanted to give Perez a run for his money - give him a little bit of his own medicine. Perez encouraged it. He wanted Katie to react. Just like he encouraged the 'horror' at the Jeremy situation and the 'Ken' situation and wanted to get a reaction from Alex.

I sometimes wish Katie wouldn't react to Perez - because that is pretty much what he is aiming for.

That's the way I see it. She acted a part to mimic her view of Perez, but she really wasn't very adept at it. I don't think it sat well with her, she was awkward. There were many comments on here at the time about how she wasn't as intimidating as people thought before.

I'm not defending Perez, because he is an ass, but KH is proud of these two facts and I'd imagine every person watching already knew, even if one or two HMs didn't.

I think if she'd stuck at making attacks on Perez that would have been fair enough, he deserved it, and lets face it they both enjoy it, but she didn't. She had to win and the only thing she could come up with was to demand his isolation (while following him around herself). IMO that is not the behaviour of a mature woman, it's straight out of the manual of playground bullying.

Strangely these two have done each other a favour...Perez has made her look better than she is, and she has made him look better than he is. And now we are left with two unpleasant people each getting 'the sympathy vote'. Whichever one wins will win because the other is disliked more.

I'd rather someone like Keith won but I fear the days of the good guy, who's kept his head in all this madness, winning are over.

You say naïve.

Hopkins chose to say thick - on a number of occasions.

There is no point in dressing it up. Hopkins was cruel and spiteful and poked fun at her lack of knowledge behind her back even though she 'always says it to your face'.

If its all about a reaction to Perez, why is she now encouraging her gang to leave the room that Katie P and Keith are in, badmouthing them behind their backs and sharing her 'game' plans with them? (the game is to leave the room whenever they are in it and she clearly wants her group to do the same).

Its nothing to do with reaction or 'giving people a run for their money'....its very similar to her behaviour with Perez - only difference Katie P and Keith have done nothing wrong. Perhaps one might concude that this whole isolating/ostracizing/encouraging others to ostracize/mocking them behind their backs is far more an indication of Katies mean spirited and cruel nature than Perezs annoying characteristics.

Yes, she likes to challenge, but from as safe a place as possible. In the house of course, it's hard to escape The Perez Show, but she builds safety in numbers, aided by henchwomen like Michelle. Isolating him is all part of that. A tactic now used against Pricey and Keith.

Ha ha yes.. Thick.

But still, it was her opinion she was - and considering she came across a little naive about certain things perhaps Katie should be allowed to have that opinion.

The raising of eyebrows, and grimaces are all part of Katie's make up. I don't have a problem with that unless she didn't speak her opinion alongside.

i see her seed ideas then wind the keys in peoples backs kick it off then retreat and let everyone else do the shouting then after the event she can console and condemn for bonding purposes

I haven't really seen any evidence she is ostracising Katie P or Keith. Yes, she has said that she thinks Katie P hasn't been fiery etc and Keith has been grumpy etc..

Update me if I've missed something.

there are whole threads with vts in from yesterday

eta HERE you go
more information becomes available as the thread moves on

KH should have just refused to talk to Perez. Blanked him and removed herself from his influence. Telling others to isolate him was wrong. If the others got so fed up of him they did the same then fair play.
Perez is playing the irritant, attention seeking and trying to get a reaction, KH responding gives him what he wants. Ideally I'd like them both to go too far and both be evicted.

Nah. I really don't see this. She makes cutting remarks but is happy to defend those remarks. Openly.

Not saying I agree with those remarks from time to time.

you can't be looking then

So we will see it tonight then?

Otherwise I just haven't seen her ostracising Keith/Katie P.

sigh, I understand everyone's opinion that it is out and out bullying, but given the circumstances and his refusal to act in any other way, I would treat him in the exact same way..........

In the outside world KH is rightly taken to task, Inside this house Without a safe escape from the maniac Perez, you have to do what you must... defending in numbers and refusing him the opportunity to stir the pot (as muc as you can) prevents him repeating his rule book party tricks.

it's too bad that it is generally the perpetrators of actions that require defence from the natural conséquences. He cries foul for thingshe does himself!

There has been vid on here of KH deliberately leaving rooms if they are in them and summonsing her crew to do the same. Then she celebrates with a little dance in the bedroom over leaving behind 'the bores'. Pricey clocked it and discussed it with Keith. Michelle complained to KH that she didn't want to be part of it, but KH was enjoying it.

Maybe I watched CBB with an open mind.. not looking for issues with Katie H ?

Then she could have used the word naive, but she decided to go with the nastier and more hurtful option to score points.

Naivety and stupidity are two very different things. Alicia demonstrated on several occasions she arguably posses a lot more emotional intelligence than Hopkins, for example.

I really haven't seen that one. I will have to go and have a look. So fair enough for now. If it happened like that then doesn't seem great on Katie H's behalf.

Yes but I still don't think she was bullying.

I think many people probably have a higher emotional intelligence than Hopkins!

Generalisation there - but just an opinion and no I am not bullying Hopkins

It amazes me people refuse to see this. It's interpersonal Divide & Conquer, effectively.

sadly i am not a producer so i have no idea if it will be shown, they might not show it at all if you had gone to the link i provided you with you would have seen her deploying her ostracising KP and Keith and then running giggling into the bedroom to tell Callum all about it ,,,,further on in the thread there is another vt where she is explaining this plan to Michelle.

I know of this..

But I do not believe that she does it. I think she voices her opinion - either hangs around for the debate - or walks off after moaning about something. That's about it. She will talk about it if people want to talk about it.