I'm confused as to why Shirley kicked Lola, one of a few people in Walford actually siding with Dean, out of Denise and Patrick's in last night episode when she found out she was going out for drinks with Dean?

I suppose Shirley began having doubts about Dean and was trying in her own way to protect Lola but there was no need to be cruel to her.

Shirley was being cruel to be kind. If she had just asked Lola to leave, I doubt Lola would have gone, Shirley genuinely cares about Lola and wanted her out of harms way after the seed of doubt about Dean was planted in her head. In her own, Shirley way, she was protecting her.

So why the hell is she sending Dean to where her daughter lives with a young baby? If she believes he's a rapist or has any doubt why the hell would she do that?

Ell_Ren is absolutely right.

Shirley was being cruel to be kind. She threw Lola out in order to protect them both: to protect Dean from getting involved with another woman (she's doubting Dean's innocence now), and to protect Lola from being Dean's next victim.

Well It is Deans sister and niece/nephew...

Don't get me wrong he is a filthy rapist but I really don't think Dean would sexually assault his sister or his niece do you? I especially don't think that such a heinous thing would of occurred to Shirley either.

Remember in Deans mind, he was having some kind of flirty will we, won't we thing with Linda and he was sexually attracted to her (Just to clarify he is a mentally disturbed perv) but do you really think he would look on his sister that way ?

So she sends him a ticket to go live with her daughter and her grandchild baby. Err yeah. if she doubts him I don't get why she would want him anywhere near Carly. Rape isn't a sexual one its a control one meaning Carly would be at risk too. I find that insane thinking.

Even Dean wouldn't attack his sister. In Linda's case, he was obsessed/infatuated with her for months. Also Dean never harmed Stacey or Lauren and we know he won't harm Denise, Kim or Shirley. I think Shirley felt safe because Carly is Dean's sister plus he has nowhere else to go has he?

So you know for certain he wouldn't? People talk about Shirley the so called mother. I am a mother I wouldn't take the risk of sending Dean to my daughter regardless. If she suspects him then I am horrified she would take the risk.

Difference is we are forgetting what Shirley knows v the audience. If she doubts him she has no reasons as to why like we do. Or if he has done it before.
Dean has never harmed Stacey? Actually he drugged her when he first met her. And he was violent in his first stint when he left towards Shirley.

You mentioned what WE know that's the difference. We have foresight she does not and a rapist is a danger to any woman. This isn't like paedophilia which is based on a unhealthy sexual attraction towards children. Rape is based on humiliating and controlling women. Some rapists do rape their relatives in fact many have done before moving on something to consider.

That basis alone I wouldn't want him near my daughter or grandchild. If you would take the risk that would be you. But as a mother I cant imagine even considering it.
EE got it wrong with Archie when they mixed up paedophilia with adult rape but that's why Ronnie believed it straight away as she knew he could. I think Dean is a danger to any woman and considering his family issues then he is a danger to them too.

While I could see Dean targeting a new victim, I cannot see him trying to rape his own sister.

If he did obsess over someone else, I could see it being Denise. She's not related to him, she's shown him kindness (as Linda did), and Dean has a crazy-weird Oedipus complex. I wouldn't want to see Dean try something with Denise, but it would be interesting from a storyline perspective given Denise's support of him and the nastiness she's shown the Carters in the last few weeks.

I agree she is protecting Lola, and doesn't believe he would harm Carly but I also thought she was protecting Dean. It hardly looks good, him going out with a girl much younger than him with all this allegations going round. People who rightfully believe Linda may start thinking he's going to attack Lola too. I think she was partly doing it to stop Dean drawing attention to himself and making himself more of a target of comments etc.

While I agree with the lines in bold I don't think Dean would try and attack Denise. Denise is on his side for a start and he's known her for years. With Linda there was evidence of infatuation/sexual attraction on his side. I doubt he's suddenly going to want to jump into bed with Denise. I agree with the Oedipus complex idea but I'm not sure where killing the father comes in - Dean was obviously genuinely fond of Kevin and even though he was jealous of Mick, he never once tried to harm Mick in any way.

I can't see Dean being incestuous somehow and neither can Shirley.

BIB - He did that when he was a young, idiotic teenager before he even went to prison. Prison was what changed Dean. He probably blamed Chelsea and Carly for landing him in prison (even though he chose to lie) - Dean drugged Stacey for a laugh and to give her a high. There's no evidence that he was misogynistic back then. Dean came clean to the police about that when Bradley was wrongly arrested for attempted rape. Just because he is a rapist now, everyone is trying to rewrite the past and invent some sinister reason for him drugging Stacey many years before he even went to prison. I know he was violent towards Shirley but that was after coming out of prison and he has seemed fine with Shirley since his return in 2014.

People do rape people they're related to, sadly. Not that I'm saying Dean necessarily would, but I don't think we can know that he wouldn't?

Yeek. Not saying it's completely impossible, but it would be dark if something like that happened. Even for EE standards.

I always thought if Dean was going to attack anyone (not rape but attack) it would have been Shirley after he attacked her when he came out of prison and because of how he intimidated her on his return. (when Mick stepped in and punched him).

It certainly would, but EE do like to push boundaries.



I agree. I do think if Dean were to rape someone he were related to it'd be bound to be Shirley, though.

Exactly.
Its not whether you think he would or wouldn't. Once you know someone is capable of rape. You don't take this risk with your own daughter and grandchild just because "you don't think they would" and yes I would call any mother who does take that risk a bad one. You don't take risks no matter how small you believe them to be with a rapist and your child. You just don't.
And some keep saying "mothers do this or that" mothers don't send a rapist child to live with another child who has a baby. They don't no matter what the risks. I am a mother and I notice many of these comments come from people without kids. So I am interested in a parent here who takes a risk with a rapist because its small in their eyes with their own child? Lets say Shirley has divine powers and knows he wouldn't. Sorry why do you want a baby growing up around a rapist again?
I would like one parent to tell me they would send a rapist to live with their child and I have no issue calling them out.

You see, I had thought that if a relation was going to be attacked, even raped by him, or if he was to harm someone else it would be Shirley just because of how he has been to her previously but I tentatively say that in fear of being accused of being a 'rape obsessive' or something. (But I don't think EE would have the balls for something like that tbh).

Obviously Shirley didn't think it through about Carly, she probably doesn't think Dean would be capable of harming Carly but I think she just panicked and where else could she send him?

I still don't see how he can possibly stay on the square and the story also have a satisfying conclusion? Do we think Matt staying is serious or a red herring?

Lola also has a child so if she was to be seen out with Dean, anyone could easily contact the Social Services especially considering their past issues with Lola.....

I love how far people are taking this. Acting like Dean is some sort of sexual predator looking for a victim. There was clear passion between him and Linda (whether she wanted it at the time or not. I will never forget the jealous looks Linda kept showing everytime Dean was out with Lauren/Stacy.

Give me a break, Dean is not suddenly going to rape Carly or Shirley.

I don't think any mother suddenly thinks her son is going to rape her daughter even if she suspects he may have raped someone else.

Lola is very naive and Shirley knows this. Even if it wasn't true (and there has been a few cases of men being wrongly accused of rape), it would be best not to go on a date with someone who is on police bail. Shirley was being cruel to be kind.

We know. We were just saying if they were going to have him attack a family member. We know he isn't going too. I was surprised that is was Linda was all.

And I agree with the last bit.

Anyway when was it said Shirley was tring to send him off to stay with Carly?

Shirley is presented not as in any way certain about Dean being guilty, just as starting to feel uneasy about it possibly being true.
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