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psy7ch
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by longinthetooth:
“Must be a disappointment for all those anti apartheid campaigners that weren't black South Africans, etc, etc...... to learn now that you have to part of something to have an opinion, speak up or support something”

I doubt anyone would have gone in to the BB house claiming they are the voice of the anti apartheid movement, say they are doing it for them then sit and nod and enable the biggest bigot the entire time in the house.
yogacats
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by longinthetooth:
“Must be a disappointment for all those anti apartheid campaigners that weren't black South Africans, etc, etc...... to learn now that you have to part of something to have an opinion, speak up or support something”

That's NOT what people are saying. They are saying she is merely a supporter not a representative.
TouchyAndalou
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by hopeless case:
“He didn't say what you have just said though.”

Different words, same message. "You don't represent the LGBT community"
hopeless case
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Nearly New:
“Erm no she has said previously that she 'represents' them as we having been picking up on that for weeks.

Her saying voice is back peddling.



Me too. He was on fire. Exposed Callum as a hot headed numpty and then called Visage out on her self-aggrandising.”

Pick up what you like. I listened to the actual words spoken in this conversation. Which Perez started btw, so "calling her out" is a poor description of what happened.

Perez said she wasn't THE representative. Michelle agreed that of course she wasn't THE representative. He then said she didn't represent him and she said she didn't, and wouldn't want to.

Trouble with Perez arguing is that he pays no attention to detail and exaggerates from the outset.

In any event, she has campaigned and worked for the community for years. She is well respected for it. I'm not sure what your problem is with her on this issue.
sorcha_healy27
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Boofie:
“She seems to think every gay man acts the same. E.g. tonight clicking her fingers "this is clapping in the gay community." Kav was stood right there why didn't he say Michelle I'm gay and clap with my hands like everyone else

She's very odd.”

Exactly. That behaviour is inherently homophobic. Presuming all gay people act the same. She's a pain in the bum
Antonia_Chariot
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by iwholden:
“I don't agree - I'm proud of Michelle and happy for her to represent the community or at least me as a gay man. U work that shit girl!”

I'd have to disagree with you, and I'm also from the LGBT community.

The general concensus in my rather large group of friends is that Michelle Visage is not a VOICE for us, and never will be after her performance on CBB. She is viewed as a straight woman who has tried to use the tag of 'Voice for the LGBT community' as a stepping-stone to a platform for self promotion. At best she's a fag-hag, and at worst she's a total let-down who from day 1 had ulterior motives.

And as much as Perez is not my bag, I'd gladly take him over Michelle any day of the week. Yes, he's annoying, childish and obnoxious but he's danced to the beat of his own drum since entering the house unlike a lot of the others, especially Michelle Hopkins - I mean Visage.
hopeless case
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“So she is here in the UK to tell us all to accept gays is that what you're saying? The fact it's been that way for a long time here already is neither here or there we must listen to this hetero person telling us all how to feel about gays?

And the gays in the UK who are more intelligent and articulate than her (the ones I know certainly are) need her to speak for them? Really?

No.”

Has she told you how to feel about "gays"?
Has she tried to speak for the intelligent gays that you know, to the extent that they feel their voices are being distorted or not heard?

What has she said that you and your gay friends find so offensive?
hopeless case
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by TouchyAndalou:
“Different words, same message. "You don't represent the LGBT community"”

Yeah, although it was actually different words and different message.
lee_mccleary
03-02-2015
Yeah how dare she try to do a good thing.
You dont have to be gay/trans to stick up for them ffs.
Silent Scream
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by hopeless case:
“Has she told you how to feel about "gays"?
Has she tried to speak for the intelligent gays that you know, to the extent that they feel their voices are being distorted or not heard?

What has she said that you and your gay friends find so offensive?”

Irony. You've just outlined exactly how utterly pointless she is. Nobody needs her. I find her media-led self-promotional alleged devotion to the LGBT community offensive when used as a tool and a platform for a reality TV show. Your prerogative to think otherwise.
Paul237
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Antonia_Chariot:
“I'd have to disagree with you, and I'm also from the LGBT community.

The general concensus in my rather large group of friends is that Michelle Visage is not a VOICE for us, and never will be after her performance on CBB. She is viewed as a straight woman who has tried to use the tag of 'Voice for the LGBT community' as a stepping-stone to a platform for self promotion. At best she's a fag-hag, and at worst she's a total let-down who from day 1 had ulterior motives.

And as much as Perez is not my bag, I'd gladly take him over Michelle any day of the week. Yes, he's annoying, childish and obnoxious but he's danced to the beat of his own drum since entering the house unlike a lot of the others, especially Michelle Hopkins - I mean Visage.”

Well said. I also have plenty of gay friends in my social circle and we think the same as the view you've posted above.

It's all very self-serving.

I've even seen incredulous "you should be grateful" type comments on here...
mmpfb
03-02-2015
Michelle's problem is that while she spouts all this rhetoric about The Gay Community she just demonstrates that she doesn't really know anything of it outside of the US drag circuit. The finger-clicking thing for clapping is a good example - neither myself or any other gays I know do that. It's an affectation particular to the US drag scene as far as I'm aware, and probably originated from the ballroom scene. I'm sure there's a few gays over here who have adopted it, just like there's gays calling everything 'fierce' and saying they're 'serving somethingorother realness'.

I wouldn't have a problem with her if she claimed to represent the drag scene. I know she's hugely popular in those circles so she would probably be able to claim some mandate or other. But for the wider community? Well, she certainly doesn't represent me in any shape or form. The woman is, essentially, ignorant.
Miss Con Strue
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by longinthetooth:
“Must be a disappointment for all those anti apartheid campaigners that weren't black South Africans, etc, etc...... to learn now that you have to part of something to have an opinion, speak up or support something”

I actually referenced this in my last post. Discrimination and injustice has never been challenged and improved by just the group being disadvantaged. So, of course white people can actively work against racism, atheists can support the right to practise a religion and straight people can fight for equal rights for the LGBT community. However, when they pose as the voice of any group and dictate how they should behave they cease to be a genuine supporter.
hopeless case
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“Irony. You've just outlined exactly how utterly pointless she is. Nobody needs her. I find her media-led self-promotional alleged devotion to the LGBT community offensive when used as a tool and a platform for a reality TV show. Your prerogative to think otherwise.”

So your answers to my questions are no, no and nothing.

Carry on being offended though, which is of course your prerogative.
bigstripeylie
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by binksy111:
“I hope she wears a different T-shirt tomorrow now the LGBT one must be falling apart ”

Especially the neckline seeing as her ugly mug is so far up beaky's arse
curvybabes
03-02-2015
So pleased Perez said this to tonight I was literally shouting finally at the tv
eva_prior
03-02-2015
Back of the net.
B_grizzle
03-02-2015
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“Well said. I also have plenty of gay friends in my social circle and we think the same as the view you've posted above.

It's all very self-serving.

I've even seen incredulous "you should be grateful" type comments on here...”

A lot of people are in reality are self-serving but the manner in which she attacks Perez as letting down the gay community is disgusting and hypocritical.

She is far more the real let-down to the LGBT community by completely agreeing with everything the sadisitic Hopkins says. Does she even consider how many LGBT people have been bullied by people like Hopkins,

Another wonderful demonstration tonight as Katie H continued her bitch fest against Keith.....all this inspirational woman could say was.... "I totally agree with you".
dorsetwasp
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Antonia_Chariot:
“I'd have to disagree with you, and I'm also from the LGBT community.

The general concensus in my rather large group of friends is that Michelle Visage is not a VOICE for us, and never will be after her performance on CBB. She is viewed as a straight woman who has tried to use the tag of 'Voice for the LGBT community' as a stepping-stone to a platform for self promotion. At best she's a fag-hag, and at worst she's a total let-down who from day 1 had ulterior motives.

And as much as Perez is not my bag, I'd gladly take him over Michelle any day of the week. Yes, he's annoying, childish and obnoxious but he's danced to the beat of his own drum since entering the house unlike a lot of the others, especially Michelle Hopkins - I mean Visage.”

Excellent post, very well said!
planetnat
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by iwholden:
“I don't agree - I'm proud of Michelle and happy for her to represent the community or at least me as a gay man. U work that shit girl!”

She doesn't represent me. In fact she seemed positively homophobic when Perez jokingly suggested Cami-li and Chloe shared a faux-lesbian moment.

I just don't understand how a heterosexual mum of two woman living the most mainstream and prescriptive of straight lifestyles reckons she can represent a community she is de facto not a part of (not that we are a community per se anyways FFS).

She is a female that sleeps with men, there is no aspect of her that is Lesbian or Bisexual.

The only part of her life that is queer is the way she makes her paycheck....
planetnat
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“He gave it to her straight.”

Heh, I see what you did there
Lukemeatsix
04-02-2015
Perez was spot on yet again.
CrashDavis
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Exactly. That behaviour is inherently homophobic. Presuming all gay people act the same. She's a pain in the bum”

One question about her that's been bugging me. On live feed a few days ago she referred to gay people as "The gays". Now, is that the right vernacular? Sorry if I'm sounding ignorant: just not clued in on the lingo, you know?
Rhumbatugger
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by hopeless case:
“Pick up what you like. I listened to the actual words spoken in this conversation. Which Perez started btw, so "calling her out" is a poor description of what happened.

Perez said she wasn't THE representative. Michelle agreed that of course she wasn't THE representative. He then said she didn't represent him and she said she didn't, and wouldn't want to.

Trouble with Perez arguing is that he pays no attention to detail and exaggerates from the outset.

In any event, she has campaigned and worked for the community for years. She is well respected for it. I'm not sure what your problem is with her on this issue.”

Me neither. She's not young either, she's seen a lot of changes in attitude and it's still a lot tougher in America I think.

I don't know why people seem to WANT Michelle and people like her not to support them, or think they're bad if they do.

It's just Perez taking the worst possible spin and being all aggressive and personal about it and his fans lapping it up without THINKING, I hope.

Way to put people off - LGBT community hasn't always been as powerful as it is now.
Rhumbatugger
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lukemeatsix:
“Perez was spot on yet again.”

Do you mean appallingly insulting and unkind to someone who has apparantly been very helpful to LGBT people in the USA?

That's not spot on, it's the nastiest possible spin pretending to be truth. That's what Perez is known for.
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