Michelle honey you preach about equality but you are with the antithesis of equality the Vile Hopkins
Practice what you preach
Practice what you preach
Well said Perez re Michelle and LGBT
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Originally Posted by iwholden:
“I think what she's said about Perez is true. He is everything that's wrong with the gay community compiled in to one vile being.”
“I think what she's said about Perez is true. He is everything that's wrong with the gay community compiled in to one vile being.”
So what is it you think is wrong with the gay community? They aren't a community at all, they are member of the human race, who behave however they please, just like us straight people do. Does anyone call us a straight community?
As for Perez, I agree with him 100% Michelle is sneaky and vile and I spotted that on the second show of this series. How can she be the rep of the LBGT people of the world (I refuse to put them in a box of being a community) when she has no idea what it's like to be LBG or T? I like most people have friends who are gay, lesbian, bi, I don't actually know any transgender people personally...but everyone I know are quite happy to speak for themselves...and more than able to do so.
Now if she said she represented people with no voice, like the mentally ill, small children or dementia suffering elderly, I might understand, but she is just using the LBGT label for publicity.
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I don't think she is fighting anything, she is just trying to get people on side. Some people are just too gullible to see that she is using everyone.
Come on, praising the British on a British tv show and "speaking" for the LGBT community. She's playing everyone.”
“I don't think she is fighting anything, she is just trying to get people on side. Some people are just too gullible to see that she is using everyone.
Come on, praising the British on a British tv show and "speaking" for the LGBT community. She's playing everyone.”
YES YES YES!!!!
Originally Posted by open heart:
“YES YES YES!!!!”
“YES YES YES!!!!”
Umm...err...can I have what you've just had please..?
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“Sooooo glad someone has finally said that to the ridiculous woman. Be yourself - you aren't even a member of the LGBT community.”
“Sooooo glad someone has finally said that to the ridiculous woman. Be yourself - you aren't even a member of the LGBT community.”
Imagine if a white person went in there saying they represented the black community.
Just because you immerse yourself in the culture of a community, it doesn't make you a member of it.
I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.
What has Michelle really done or said in there that really shows she's doing anything to bring awareness to the cause? I've not seen anything.
She's said a few times that she's in there to support LGBT... but she's really not said anything about why it's important, why she feels strongly about it, how she's doing anything about it in the day to day, or why she thinks it's a cause that needs her voice....
She might as well gone in saying "I'm here to represent the rights of Morris dancers" for all she's actually had to say about the LGBT community.
She's said a few times that she's in there to support LGBT... but she's really not said anything about why it's important, why she feels strongly about it, how she's doing anything about it in the day to day, or why she thinks it's a cause that needs her voice....
She might as well gone in saying "I'm here to represent the rights of Morris dancers" for all she's actually had to say about the LGBT community.
I'm just surprised it took so long for a HM to say what we've all been screaming at the telly for weeks.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.”
“I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.”
great post
However well-intentioned, Michelle's attitude serves to separate the 'gay community' from society, regardless. While my gay friends and I strive to normalise gay people in society, Michelle seems to wish us all to be in our own group, with pressure on each individual to create a good impression for the straight people.
The clicking finger thing is also ridiculous. What planet does she live on?
The clicking finger thing is also ridiculous. What planet does she live on?
It was such a relief to hear Perez say what I and others have been thinking about Michelle (and Callum). MIchelle manages to be the self appointed spokesperson/representative of the LGBT community yet remains firmly lodged in KH's ass. Michelle, the oppressor of the ostracized, Perez OWNED you. Cathartic…that is how this episode felt for me.
So many great comments on this thread!
I know what you mean
I always liked Perez but I also fell in love a little….lol
Hey now, she wore union jack earrings (did they not have any LGBT earrings?) and made insincere attempts to pander to the UK audience and to "the gays". I'm not gay but I don't like how she says "the gays" (however that is just my opinion…then again, I like how Perez just tells the public to f*ck off)
What? Don't be eccentric? Isn't that a little like being "weird"? I thought she defended the weird. Her blatant pandering for votes while not being entertaining is annoying. Maybe she is suffering from hypoxia since her head had been up KH's ass for around 3 weeks!
Brilliant!
In some ways she comes off as very intolerant…narrow-minded in that there are only certain ways LGBT people can behave…
So many great comments on this thread!
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Think I fell in love with him a bit there, changed my mind and now think he would make a worthy winner with Keith second.”
“Think I fell in love with him a bit there, changed my mind and now think he would make a worthy winner with Keith second.”
I know what you mean
I always liked Perez but I also fell in love a little….lol
Originally Posted by Laters Baby:
“She keeps saying she's in there for the LGBT community like its a reason she should win or be liked but apart from wear her LGBT t-shirt she's not actually done anything.”
“She keeps saying she's in there for the LGBT community like its a reason she should win or be liked but apart from wear her LGBT t-shirt she's not actually done anything.”
Hey now, she wore union jack earrings (did they not have any LGBT earrings?) and made insincere attempts to pander to the UK audience and to "the gays". I'm not gay but I don't like how she says "the gays" (however that is just my opinion…then again, I like how Perez just tells the public to f*ck off)
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“Don't be eccentric then or she will accuse you of setting the gay community back a thousand years.”
“Don't be eccentric then or she will accuse you of setting the gay community back a thousand years.”
What? Don't be eccentric? Isn't that a little like being "weird"? I thought she defended the weird. Her blatant pandering for votes while not being entertaining is annoying. Maybe she is suffering from hypoxia since her head had been up KH's ass for around 3 weeks!
Originally Posted by Boofie:
“I find that ridiculous and hard to understand. So by that reasoning did Alexander disgrace the black community? Did Ken disgrace the British? No they did not because they are individuals just like Perez.
And since when does being gay mean you are suddenly a member of a "community" which you must represent? Like Perez said, he is there to represent himself and no one else.
In fact Michelle is the one always bringing up his sexuality. Instead of seeing him as a stupid man he is a stupid gay man. His sexuality is not important
”
“I find that ridiculous and hard to understand. So by that reasoning did Alexander disgrace the black community? Did Ken disgrace the British? No they did not because they are individuals just like Perez.
And since when does being gay mean you are suddenly a member of a "community" which you must represent? Like Perez said, he is there to represent himself and no one else.
In fact Michelle is the one always bringing up his sexuality. Instead of seeing him as a stupid man he is a stupid gay man. His sexuality is not important
”
Brilliant!
In some ways she comes off as very intolerant…narrow-minded in that there are only certain ways LGBT people can behave…
Originally Posted by hopeless case:
“So your answers to my questions are no, no and nothing.
Carry on being offended though, which is of course your prerogative.”
“So your answers to my questions are no, no and nothing.
Carry on being offended though, which is of course your prerogative.”
She hates Perez who in her view sets back the gay cause 10 years. I'm straight and think he's hilarious and happen to think he's a weirdo and I know from experience not all gays are like him. It's spectacularly stupid of Michelle to think even for a second that we all believe any gay we see is like ALL gays.
She is claiming to be a 'voice' for the LBGT community she said that's why she's on the show so yes she is speaking to ME and everyone else who watches the show as a spokeswoman for all gays when she is NOTHING of the sort.
She is offensive to ALL people gay or otherwise who hate bandwagon-jumping 'me too' browbeaters specially those who aren't even directly involved or affected and no hosting some crappy drag queen show does not count.
What's she actually done that is supportive of the "gay community" as she says it, or gay rights?
So far she has nodded with KH when she said a family wasn't a proper family without a mum and dad.
Told people that gay people need to act in a certain way to be accepted.
Told them how to clap... My personal favourate.
So far she has nodded with KH when she said a family wasn't a proper family without a mum and dad.
Told people that gay people need to act in a certain way to be accepted.
Told them how to clap... My personal favourate.
Couldn't help thinking Michelle's position was all a bit 'Emperor's New Clothes' (well, LGBT T-Shirts). A lot of fluff and very little substance. What has she actually, constructively DONE in the house to demonstrate or support the diversity of the group(s) she claims to represent? As others have pointed out, LGBT people do not form a homogenous 'community'. They are as diversified as heterosexual people and if we really have moved on, there should be no need to isolate the concept of a singular 'community'. Being in showbusiness, she is more likely to identify with LGBT people of certain personality types, just like anyone in showbiz would. There are probably millions of people who fit the 'LGBT' definition whose lifestyles and personalities are nothing like what she is familiar with.
If Michelle really wanted to make a difference, why isn't she campaigning against the horrific abuse and torture (even death) perpetrated against people of 'her community' in certain countries? Now that would mean something.
If Michelle really wanted to make a difference, why isn't she campaigning against the horrific abuse and torture (even death) perpetrated against people of 'her community' in certain countries? Now that would mean something.
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“Irony. You've just outlined exactly how utterly pointless she is. Nobody needs her. I find her media-led self-promotional alleged devotion to the LGBT community offensive when used as a tool and a platform for a reality TV show. Your prerogative to think otherwise.”
“Irony. You've just outlined exactly how utterly pointless she is. Nobody needs her. I find her media-led self-promotional alleged devotion to the LGBT community offensive when used as a tool and a platform for a reality TV show. Your prerogative to think otherwise.”
I agree ...............I find her rather pointless TBH.
I accept that she has probably done some good work in the past but - what is her point in being in the BB house. she goes to the DR to keep reminding us why she's there - she's actually shed tears over it but - what point is she making?
I am seriously confused - and I don't like her.
I'm trans she doesn't represent me, nor is she a voice. We don't need a voice and we aren't one community. She is pathetic and has been a massive disappointment for me. Perez completely obliterated her in that argument.
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Michelle's problem is that while she spouts all this rhetoric about The Gay Community she just demonstrates that she doesn't really know anything of it outside of the US drag circuit. The finger-clicking thing for clapping is a good example - neither myself or any other gays I know do that. It's an affectation particular to the US drag scene as far as I'm aware, and probably originated from the ballroom scene. I'm sure there's a few gays over here who have adopted it, just like there's gays calling everything 'fierce' and saying they're 'serving somethingorother realness'.
I wouldn't have a problem with her if she claimed to represent the drag scene. I know she's hugely popular in those circles so she would probably be able to claim some mandate or other. But for the wider community? Well, she certainly doesn't represent me in any shape or form. The woman is, essentially, ignorant.”
“Michelle's problem is that while she spouts all this rhetoric about The Gay Community she just demonstrates that she doesn't really know anything of it outside of the US drag circuit. The finger-clicking thing for clapping is a good example - neither myself or any other gays I know do that. It's an affectation particular to the US drag scene as far as I'm aware, and probably originated from the ballroom scene. I'm sure there's a few gays over here who have adopted it, just like there's gays calling everything 'fierce' and saying they're 'serving somethingorother realness'.
I wouldn't have a problem with her if she claimed to represent the drag scene. I know she's hugely popular in those circles so she would probably be able to claim some mandate or other. But for the wider community? Well, she certainly doesn't represent me in any shape or form. The woman is, essentially, ignorant.”
Spot on.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.”
“I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.”
Word.
In being a fan of "the LGBT community", what she's doing is that she's a straight person "speaking for" the LGBT community, as though we are one homogeneous lump with the same views and characteristics as each other, rather than individual people with a different sexual preference from the societal norm. In my experience, people like Michelle Visage are fans of the "overtly camp" gay stereotype, and its just another form of casual homo/bi/transphobia. I think I've only ever met two people from the LGBT community who actually fit the camp stereotype. I certainly don't. Its 2015, but people like Visage think we're not properly part of "her" community unless we like hi-NRG synth pop and act like Louie Spence or a drag artist.
It's as offensive as a man claiming to be the voice of women.
Originally Posted by planetnat:
“She is a female that sleeps with men, there is no aspect of her that is Lesbian or Bisexual.”
“She is a female that sleeps with men, there is no aspect of her that is Lesbian or Bisexual.”
Er... bisexual women sleep with men. Being bisexual means that you are attracted to both sexes. I'm a bisexual man, and I sleep with men and women. And no, not at the same time.
Originally Posted by Silent Scream:
“She hates Perez who in her view sets back the gay cause 10 years. I'm straight and think he's hilarious and happen to think he's a weirdo and I know from experience not all gays are like him. It's spectacularly stupid of Michelle to think even for a second that we all believe any gay we see is like ALL gays.
She is claiming to be a 'voice' for the LBGT community she said that's why she's on the show so yes she is speaking to ME and everyone else who watches the show as a spokeswoman for all gays when she is NOTHING of the sort.
She is offensive to ALL people gay or otherwise who hate bandwagon-jumping 'me too' browbeaters specially those who aren't even directly involved or affected and no hosting some crappy drag queen show does not count.”
“She hates Perez who in her view sets back the gay cause 10 years. I'm straight and think he's hilarious and happen to think he's a weirdo and I know from experience not all gays are like him. It's spectacularly stupid of Michelle to think even for a second that we all believe any gay we see is like ALL gays.
She is claiming to be a 'voice' for the LBGT community she said that's why she's on the show so yes she is speaking to ME and everyone else who watches the show as a spokeswoman for all gays when she is NOTHING of the sort.
She is offensive to ALL people gay or otherwise who hate bandwagon-jumping 'me too' browbeaters specially those who aren't even directly involved or affected and no hosting some crappy drag queen show does not count.”
Michelle Visage sets the LGBT cause back 40 years. In her mind, we should all be more like Larry Grayson or John Inman.
It would be an interesting social experiment for BB to task Katie Hopkins with saying increasingly bigoted things about sex, sexuality, race, class, and so on, and to watch the extent Michelle is willing to ignore, accept or endorse what she says.
Originally Posted by KaylaL:
“So what is it you think is wrong with the gay community? They aren't a community at all, they are member of the human race, who behave however they please, just like us straight people do. Does anyone call us a straight community?
As for Perez, I agree with him 100% Michelle is sneaky and vile and I spotted that on the second show of this series. How can she be the rep of the LBGT people of the world (I refuse to put them in a box of being a community) when she has no idea what it's like to be LBG or T? I like most people have friends who are gay, lesbian, bi, I don't actually know any transgender people personally...but everyone I know are quite happy to speak for themselves...and more than able to do so.
Now if she said she represented people with no voice, like the mentally ill, small children or dementia suffering elderly, I might understand, but she is just using the LBGT label for publicity.”
“So what is it you think is wrong with the gay community? They aren't a community at all, they are member of the human race, who behave however they please, just like us straight people do. Does anyone call us a straight community?
As for Perez, I agree with him 100% Michelle is sneaky and vile and I spotted that on the second show of this series. How can she be the rep of the LBGT people of the world (I refuse to put them in a box of being a community) when she has no idea what it's like to be LBG or T? I like most people have friends who are gay, lesbian, bi, I don't actually know any transgender people personally...but everyone I know are quite happy to speak for themselves...and more than able to do so.
Now if she said she represented people with no voice, like the mentally ill, small children or dementia suffering elderly, I might understand, but she is just using the LBGT label for publicity.”
Spot on
. My ex-husband is transgender and, believe me, is more thank capable of standing up for herself (she's had to on many occasions!) Michelle's 'stance' is insulting and patronising - the only thing she is promoting or representing is herself.
Here is the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNmRBjbLpKM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNmRBjbLpKM
Originally Posted by chachachavvy:
“It would be an interesting social experiment for BB to task Katie Hopkins with saying increasingly bigoted things about sex, sexuality, race, class, and so on, and to watch the extent Michelle is willing to ignore, accept or endorse what she says.”
“It would be an interesting social experiment for BB to task Katie Hopkins with saying increasingly bigoted things about sex, sexuality, race, class, and so on, and to watch the extent Michelle is willing to ignore, accept or endorse what she says.”
Yes that would be funny, i am willing to bet Michelle would conveniently mishear a lot of it and therefore couldn't possibly comment.
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