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Old 04-02-2015, 03:27
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I don't agree - I'm proud of Michelle and happy for her to represent the community or at least me as a gay man. U work that shit girl!
But what is she doing?
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:33
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She seems to think every gay man acts the same. E.g. tonight clicking her fingers "this is clapping in the gay community." Kav was stood right there why didn't he say Michelle I'm gay and clap with my hands like everyone else

She's very odd.
That's quite embarrassing if Kav was stood there.
What was the context? Was she filling somebody in on what it's like in the gay community while Kav was stood right there?
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:40
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That's quite embarrassing if Kav was stood there.
What was the context? Was she filling somebody in on what it's like in the gay community while Kav was stood right there?

It's more than embarrassing ... it's ridiculous

A straight woman acting like she knows more about being a gay man than ... well ... gay men

So glad Perez called her on that sh*te
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:44
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That's NOT what people are saying. They are saying she is merely a supporter not a representative.
In an interview before going into CBB she said that she was there to represent gay people. But not just gay people, but also the misfits and rejects who don't belong to a group.
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:46
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Has she told you how to feel about "gays"?
Has she tried to speak for the intelligent gays that you know, to the extent that they feel their voices are being distorted or not heard?

What has she said that you and your gay friends find so offensive?
What has she said in the house as part of the fight for the gay community full stop?
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:48
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What has she said in the house as part of the fight for the gay community full stop?
mainly the message has been "don't be like Perez we don't want gays like him"
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Old 04-02-2015, 03:54
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Do you mean appallingly insulting and unkind to someone who has apparantly been very helpful to LGBT people in the USA?

That's not spot on, it's the nastiest possible spin pretending to be truth. That's what Perez is known for.
Apparently been. People on here have asked others what she has done and if they could provide some links to some of the activism work that she has done.
But have been met with a frosty response that they should use Google and there's probably some stuff if they look for it.

For somebody who is apparently fighting a cause which is all about raising awareness, it seems to be very difficult for people to find this information that they are supposedly being made aware of.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:02
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In an interview before going into CBB she said that she was there to represent gay people. But not just gay people, but also the misfits and rejects who don't belong to a group.
She said that ?

... and then actively participated in isolating and 'rejecting' another housemate from her group ?


unbelievable
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:06
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I think what she's said about Perez is true. He is everything that's wrong with the gay community compiled in to one vile being.
For a start, to make a statement such as this implies that there's something wrong with the gay community.
I'm a straight person, and as far as I'm concerned there was nothing wrong with the gay community in my mind. So what Michelle has raised awareness to for me in this case, is that there's a problem in the gay community.
From what I've seen on this Big Brother, I haven't seen Michelle say much at all about the gay community which makes me more aware or more enlightened in a positive manner. All Michelle has made me aware of in her raising awareness campaign is this one negative thing.

Secondly, if you believe in equality and equal rights for gay people, or anyone for that matter, the most important priority I would imagine is freedom of expression as an individual. Ironically Perez represents the ability of a gay person in 2015, in the UK, to be able to do just that, and on a mainstream television show.
Having the right to freedom of expression isn't about saying somebody is free just as long as what they express is something you happen to find agreeable or whether it accords with your own world view. That is not freedom or equal rights at all. That is limiting or repressing ones freedom of expression.
And in this case, Perez, being a gay man, is being dictated to that his sexuality has some bearing on how free he is allowed to be compared to a straight person. According to Michelle's judgement he is expected to have less freedom than a straight person because of the very fact that he is gay.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:12
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For a start, to make a statement such as this implies that there's something wrong with the gay community.
I'm a straight person, and as far as I'm concerned there was nothing wrong with the gay community in my mind. So what Michelle has raised awareness to for me in this case, is that there's a problem in the gay community.
From what I've seen on this Big Brother, I haven't seen Michelle say much at all about the gay community which makes me more aware or more enlightened in a positive manner. All Michelle has made me aware of in her raising awareness campaign is this one negative thing.

Secondly, if you believe in equality and equal rights for gay people, or anyone for that matter, the most important priority I would imagine is freedom of expression as an individual. Ironically Perez represents the ability of a gay person in 2015, in the UK, to be able to do just that, and on a mainstream television show.
Having the right to freedom of expression isn't about saying somebody is free just as long as what they express is something you happen to find agreeable or whether it accords with your own world view. That is not freedom or equal rights at all. That is limiting or repressing ones freedom of expression.
Brilliantly put
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:20
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She said that ?

... and then actively participated in isolating and 'rejecting' another housemate from her group ?


unbelievable
Yes.
I'll try and find the link for you later on. Unless somebody posts it before me.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:25
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For a start, to make a statement such as this implies that there's something wrong with the gay community.
I'm a straight person, and as far as I'm concerned there was nothing wrong with the gay community in my mind. So what Michelle has raised awareness to for me in this case, is that there's a problem in the gay community.
From what I've seen on this Big Brother, I haven't seen Michelle say much at all about the gay community which makes me more aware or more enlightened in a positive manner. All Michelle has made me aware of in her raising awareness campaign is this one negative thing.

Secondly, if you believe in equality and equal rights for gay people, or anyone for that matter, the most important priority I would imagine is freedom of expression as an individual. Ironically Perez represents the ability of a gay person in 2015, in the UK, to be able to do just that, and on a mainstream television show.
Having the right to freedom of expression isn't about saying somebody is free just as long as what they express is something you happen to find agreeable or whether it accords with your own world view. That is not freedom or equal rights at all. That is limiting or repressing ones freedom of expression.
And in this case, Perez, being a gay man, is being dictated to that his sexuality has some bearing on how free he is allowed to be compared to a straight person. According to Michelle's judgement he is expected to have less freedom than a straight person because of the fact that he is gay.
I'd love to know what Michelle's response to that post would be

As a straight man you just 'spoke' for the gay community far more eloquently than Michelle has the entire time she's been in there
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:31
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mainly the message has been "don't be like Perez we don't want gays like him"
I agree. Her message has been more about exclusion rather than inclusion.

I don't think she means it to be, I just think that she's taken on something which she doesn't fully understand and hasn't really thought through that well. I don't think she actually means any harm, but by the same token I don't think she's really equipped to take on the role she's given herself.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:43
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I'd love to know what Michelle's response to that post would be

As a straight man you just 'spoke' for the gay community far more eloquently than Michelle has the entire time she's been in there
Thank you for such kind words. But I'd prefer to make it known that I don't want to claim to be speaking for the gay community (You terrified me a bit there) because to do that would require great responsibility on my part, and the most I should expect is that somebody just merely considers my opinion. It's only my own opinion to either take or leave.
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Old 04-02-2015, 06:14
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This whole 'voice of' thing is exactly the same thing George Galloway did.

Trying to claim they are in there using BB as some kind of public platform. That there is some wider political agenda and message being put across. There isnt. Its an entertainment show.

Even if she has tried the same kind of crap he did, trying to make statements and speeches, they wouldnt show it. Indeed, they havent shown it if she has.

She is using it to gain support because she wants to win. Same with all the 'I love the UK' bollocks she came out with.

Perez nailed it when he said she isnt being herself. She is trying to be some kind of figurehead.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:31
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So she is here in the UK to tell us all to accept gays is that what you're saying? The fact it's been that way for a long time here already is neither here or there we must listen to this hetero person telling us all how to feel about gays?

And the gays in the UK who are more intelligent and articulate than her (the ones I know certainly are) need her to speak for them? Really?

No.
I think you have just encapsulated, for me, exactly what makes me uncomfortable about her, and her stance. Both myself, and particularly my daughter, have gay friends. We spend a lot of time with gay people - not one of them seem to be a part of this mythical 'community' that Michelle keeps banging on about. NO ACCEPTANCE NEEDED MICHELLE! They are just mates - who happen to be gay.

Like you, Silent, I therefore see no reason why gay people require a 'voice' to speak for them. Gay people have their own voices and can express themselves perfectly should they need to, as individuals, or not as the case may be.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:34
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Me neither. She's not young either, she's seen a lot of changes in attitude and it's still a lot tougher in America I think.

I don't know why people seem to WANT Michelle and people like her not to support them, or think they're bad if they do.

It's just Perez taking the worst possible spin and being all aggressive and personal about it and his fans lapping it up without THINKING, I hope.

Way to put people off - LGBT community hasn't always been as powerful as it is now.

Support, by all means! Represent - NO!!!!
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:40
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Michelle honey you preach about equality but you are with the antithesis of equality the Vile Hopkins

Practice what you preach
Spot on!

I think Michelle wants to win though - she is definitely there to win. NOTHING wrong with that ...... But she has worked out, I believe, that to get to the end you need to have Hopkins on side. I think it's been a deliberate game plan.

Unfortunately, this has shown her up to be the biggest hypocrite in there. If Michelle is so passionate about 'minorities' she MUST have heard Hopkins slating off whole swathes of the community .... and she has not taken issue with her in any way, shape or form. It's like she is almost afraid to disagree with Hopkins on any issue, which in my eyes, make her look bad and in it for her own ends, not to stand up for sections of society.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:46
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I'm gay and I cannot stand the woman. She speaks about gay people as if they are different species. She's not an advocate for gay people. She's simply a "fan" of the gays. She seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. News flash, there's millions of other people in the world who aren't homophobic and who like gay people. I don't have any issue with her wanting equality and Her showing her support etc, but she speaks about us as if we're from another planet and she's not our "voice". Also, I don't know how she has the cheek to say that Perez's behaviour is an embarrassment to the gay community when she works on a show featuring drag queens who are a million times more rude and nasty than Perez. She's a total hypocrite.
Absolutely brilliant post. Thank you for this. Agree wholeheartedly.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:52
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It would be an interesting social experiment for BB to task Katie Hopkins with saying increasingly bigoted things about sex, sexuality, race, class, and so on, and to watch the extent Michelle is willing to ignore, accept or endorse what she says.
Oh, wish you had posted this a couple of weeks ago! What a brilliant 'secret task' that would have been
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:57
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In an interview before going into CBB she said that she was there to represent gay people. But not just gay people, but also the misfits and rejects who don't belong to a group.
Well she certainly hasn't stood up for ginger haired people, those who are overweight, Northerners, kids with ADHD etc. has she? She's lodged herself so far up Hopkins' you know what

I bet there's absolutely loads more offensive, ignoramus, stuff Hopkins has spouted that hasn't even been aired, and I bet Michelle has taken issue with NONE of it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:59
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For a start, to make a statement such as this implies that there's something wrong with the gay community.
I'm a straight person, and as far as I'm concerned there was nothing wrong with the gay community in my mind. So what Michelle has raised awareness to for me in this case, is that there's a problem in the gay community.
From what I've seen on this Big Brother, I haven't seen Michelle say much at all about the gay community which makes me more aware or more enlightened in a positive manner. All Michelle has made me aware of in her raising awareness campaign is this one negative thing.

Secondly, if you believe in equality and equal rights for gay people, or anyone for that matter, the most important priority I would imagine is freedom of expression as an individual. Ironically Perez represents the ability of a gay person in 2015, in the UK, to be able to do just that, and on a mainstream television show.
Having the right to freedom of expression isn't about saying somebody is free just as long as what they express is something you happen to find agreeable or whether it accords with your own world view. That is not freedom or equal rights at all. That is limiting or repressing ones freedom of expression.
And in this case, Perez, being a gay man, is being dictated to that his sexuality has some bearing on how free he is allowed to be compared to a straight person. According to Michelle's judgement he is expected to have less freedom than a straight person because of the very fact that he is gay.
Fantastic post. Thank you very much for that.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:00
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All lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders definitely feel the same about everything and can be viewed as a homogenous unit rather than individual human beings.

No, I do understand the need for a feeling of solidarity, I really do, and I know it's not all over yet. But still, banging on is banging on, and no-one in BB is there as an ambassador for anything, despite all the "I wanted to show mogguls aren't all fick" we always get.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:08
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Why should Michelle be slated for being passionate about supporting lgbtq rights?

It's one thing to be vocal in your support for a minority group you belong to, but it takes great kindness to do it for one you weren't originally a part of.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:15
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Why should Michelle be slated for being passionate about supporting lgbtq rights?

It's one thing to be vocal in your support for a minority group you belong to, but it takes great kindness to do it for one you weren't originally a part of.
I know. And it wasn't always as it is now.

Never mind, times change, I don't think Michelle or anyone like her should bother to align themselves or try to help, which is more than support.

Just a faint cheer from the sidelines perhaps, well, no, they'll be 'fag hags' I suspect.
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