Because she's a total hypocrite and hangs around with the biggest bigot in there. She has also, via Hopkins, advocated 'isolating' Perez, one of the very 'minorities' she purports to 'represent'. Simples!

Truly great post and you have expressed what a lot of us have felt about michelle but never said as articulately as you have.

Firstly i agree it takes a very kind empathetic person to support people from a group you are not a part of. However my issue was her comments about how a gay man should behave and how Perez the individual apparently carries the weight of all gay people on his shoulders. He is apparently responsible for any homophobe that takes a dislike to gay people now because he is individually annoying. Im sure you can see how silly her comments seem?

Perez like any person should be judged on himself not any causes or communities. For example if a woman behaves obnoxious does that make all women obnoxious? If a black person said something racist would that mean all black people are racist?

Michelle may be well intentioned but she is incredibly foolish with her words and actions.

Well done Perez. Michelle is an idiot and makes the LGBT people look ridiculous, she has done more harm than good with her BB platform. Patronising, ignorant and an absolute hypocrit. Perez is right when he tells her she will not like what she sees when she watches it back.

Excellent post. Add to this her putting 4 distinct groups, with very different histories and cultures into the same group is just as ignorant and dismissive as the attitudes she claims to want to change. A gay man has no relation to a transgender woman and putting them together is demeaning to both.

Perez was like the child in the Emperors New Clothes during that outburst. He exposed her ridiculousness and hypocrisy...."but he's naked!", i.e. "but you're not LGBT, and you can't speak for me!"

She had literally nothing to say as a comeback. It was very embarrassing. As was the desperate letter her husband has now written on her behalf, excusing her dodgy house alliances and trying to explain that Michelle's 'claim' to the community is being "drag" herself, i.e. fierce and confident. Riiiiight.

That's a very good point, which no one's touched upon yet, I don't think.

He was spot on there!!!

Superb post.

Excellent post!

Exactly how I see it, she is not genuine she is KH side kick and very two faced.

Yep, agree with this. She is vocal supporter of gay rights but not sure why she is appointed spokesperson?
I didn't know there was much of a fight to be had these days? And to keep banging on about it just highlights a fight that has mostly been fought!!!!
We are all the same - Its a double negative really.

She should just chill and be in there for herself!!!

As my gay cousin said to me yesterday 'She doesn't speak for me, I'm my own person and i don't need people to put a badge on me to make themselves feel good'

Perez was spot on, he is about a lot of things, he just makes my head ache a bit!

To be fair, she is not the one grouping all these together. It's been done for years. And there are similarities between all four groups, in that they are judged on how they conform to gender stereotypes and ideas of "normal" sexuality. It seems like a good supportive grouping to me.

But it's not for me to judge the utility of such grouping, I'm not part of their community. I'm just like Michelle, I pop into their community for fun and friendship, but any shit that gets thrown doesn't hit me directly.

Well said.

To be fair here she's not really responsible for that. LGBT is a fairly universally accepted umbrella term that many gay people identify themselves as belonging to.

It's a strange one - in many ways I have less in common with a lesbian than I do a straight man (gender) or a straight woman (the gender I am attracted to) though as groups we do of course share a history of being marginalised. It's a strength in unity thing, I guess. Not one I personally have always been comfortable with but I do think it's overall a positive thing in terms of promoting inclusivity.

EDIT: I still think she's a hypocrite though.

Won't quote it again but another vote for Alrightmate's excellent post.

How does that work, when it wasn't Michelle who said "He is everything that's wrong with the gay community"?


But Michelle hasn't said Perez doesn't have the right to freedom of expression.

There's often a confusion about rights in this forum, where people seem to think that if someone has a right to do X, there can't be anything wrong with their doing X; and another confusion, where people seem to think that if the person is criticised for doing X, that somehow denies the person's right to do X. Both reflect misunderstandings of rights and of their implications.

Meanwhile, Michelle's point wasn't that Perez had less freedom; it was about the damage she thought some of the ways Perez exercised his freedom would do. Perhaps she was wrong about the damage, or perhaps there's even some benefit to demonstrating that freedom of expression includes even being as obnoxious and manipulative as Perez has often been. But she was not saying Perez did not have the same right to freedom of expression that we all enjoy.

it's not about being "slated for being passionate about supporting lgbtq rights"

if she's being "slated" it's because she's a massive hypocrite who SAYS she's about equality, but her actions tell the story she is all about exclusion and ridiculing the outcasts of a group.

Tell me one point she has made to change the minds of the potentially bigoted in the house about gay rights? One point that doesn't involve advertising herself.

His attempt to rile Michelle was uncalled for and he only succeeded in making himself look foolish, yet again. Michelle didn't stoop to his level and handled the situation well. Good for her.

Yep. She's been happy to go along with the unnecessary criticising of Alicia when Hopkins was targeting her.

Perhaps (and unlike, it seems, many viewers) she could see that Alicia was entirely able to stand up for herself and was even doing so effectively.

They are often "put together", as mmpfb points out. It's not something Michelle came up with, and it's not normally considered demeaning, dismissive, or ignorant either. (Indeed, one of the reasons people use "LGBT", rather than a single word, is to indicate that there are differences.)

Unfortunately, it seems that every conceivable thing that can be seen as (or even distorted into) a weapon to use against Michelle now will be.


In addition to the shared history of marginalisation (and even persecution), they are all different from trditional (heterosexual, cisgender) gender roles and identities. That's why "Q" is sometime added, for (gender)queer or questioning.

That's certainly what he's often done of late; and unfortunately, it's catching on out here as well, with the worst possible interpretation being put on much of what Michelle's said.

They did - Nadia was transgender - or was that transexual?

As I've posted before on another thread:

I'm gay and can't stand the woman. Fair enough she likes and supports gays, but she's not a gay advocate. What exactly has she done for the gay community? A quick google shows that she's done nothing. In fact, she works on a show about drag queens who's behaviour is far more rude ans nastier than anything Perez has done in the house, yet she tells him he is an embarassment to the gay community. She had no right to say this to him and use his sexuality against him. She talks about gay people as if we are a different species. She's not a gay advocate, she's just a "fan" of the gays and seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. Well sorry, but there's millions of other people who are not homophobic and who like gay people, and who actually speak about gay people like they're humans and not a different species. Like someone else here said, if she's the voice of the gay community then I'm handing in my gay card.