Michelle described her as "so weak" in the diary room and then tried to persuade her to stand up against Perez, her friend (and not KH the one who'd been hurting her feelings with direct insults).

That Alicia in her final days did start standing up to KH and even enjoying their spats, doesn't make Michelle's earlier judgement of her any less patronising or the attempt to persuade her away from Perez, any less manipulative.

Well said Perez.

I bet your the kind of gay who doesn't even know how to clap properly. Maybe you should listen to the voice of the gay community and learn something.

Perhaps Visage has been good for 'the gays' in the US, just as the straight rugby player Ben Cohen has done good work out there with his Stand Up (to homophobic bullying) campaign. I wouldn't deny her that. But she can't be on that show as any kind of representative for me, can she? Is having her head up the anus that is Hopkins doing me any favours? I think not. In her right mind Hopkins would have agreed with Perez and his excellent performance in putting Visage in her rightful place - which is that of a wannabe winner on CBB 2015 UK. If she does win no doubt she is going to proclaim 'I did it for the gays', which is just ludicrous. I think deep-down the way Perez has been has really spoken for the ways in which I have found, over the years, I want to be myself, an individual, a non-conformist, unfazed by whether I am disliked (bring it on) or liked (always a bonus). He has been steadfast as his own person. One might have said the same for Hopkins, but she has been quite at odds with her true self, for a start in her bizarre double-act with the Visage woman.

Agree totally with what you have written Shaun_Leyland . Well said!!!

Perhaps it's because she could see that Alicia was entirely able to stand up for herself and was even doing so effectively (against Katie H) that she thought Alicia weak for not using those abilities when it came to Perez.


No, it was not only in Alicia's final days that she stood up to KH. That myth seems to have taken hold because it protects the earlier misperception that Alicia was weak and unable or unwilling to stand up for herself.

Trying to persuade Alicia away from Perez looks like a good thing to me, and persuasion isn't patronising or manipulative.

Because being a passionate fool is not always the best voice to be a representative of a cause.
She's slated not because she supports something, she's slated because of the misguided content of her words.

I'm sorry but finger snapping (applause) is more of a drag culture thing rather than a gay community thing as Michelle said it was.

It seems mostly to be people putting tendentious interpretations on her words and then criticising her as if that's what she meant.

There may be some less questionable criticisms that could be made, but if so, they don't seem to be ones that many are making.

Perfectly put and I have to agree totally with the bit I've quoted. I'm fairly sure the reason I like Perez so much is I admire his confidence and wish I could care as little as he does about other peoples opinions.

Yes, you can't announce that you are the voice for the gay and transgender communities which this country needs, and then add "Oh,...and I'm also in there to support misfits, outsiders, and whatever" as an afterthought.
It sort of dilutes your original proposed message.
You'll have your hands full getting all the information together you need about how you're going to campaign for gay and transgender people as it is. You can't just add 'other various stuff' as well.

It's going to take a very rare person indeed who can juggle all those balls at the same time and have the required knowledge you'd need to have about all of them.

What about taking the p*ss out of her with her little crew behind Alicias back? was that a good thing t oo?

I can relate with Perez when he says that the only people's opinions of him that he cares about is his friends' and his family's.

I actually heard her say "FOR the gay community" and "Not for you".
And there you can see the problem she's got herself into.

As if they are random assorted misfits, outsiders, and whatever. Seeing people who are L, B, G, or T has having some things in common, and using "LGBT" as a way to refer to them, is -- and contrary to what Dave_62's post seems to suggest -- not normally considered demeaning, dismissive, or ignorant. Treating it that way looks an awful lot like just another opportunistic attack on Michelle.

I can see that people are picking over her every word, trying to find things to use against her.

Michele said "She's too weak".

Perhaps Alicia didn't quite fit the criteria needed that Michelle requires in order to speak up for her. If your face doesn't fit or she doesn't like you, then you're not worthy of belonging to the groups she says she sticks up for.
You're either 'too weak', or not quite the right type of gay person. Michelle is very particular when it comes to lumping groups of people together.

and goading people into attacking her for taking bananas when Michelle and Katie H had earlier stolen and hidden cereal for themselves; that high minded "dingbat's stolen the bananas" when viewed with the earlier clip makes it look like Michelle used the bananas as an excuse to get everyone to have a go at Alicia rather than any issue with theft.

Not at all. But you are overlooking the hypocrisy she has displayed, which has been repeatedly listed over the weeks.

Well as Michelle has appointed herself as the voice of the gay community in there who has gone in there to campaign for them and raise awareness, isn't it her job to make me aware by being very clear about the messages she puts out?

If the message has been ambiguous it's Michelle's responsibility to ensure that her message is clear.

To put herself in the position she has, there needs to be a philosophy which acts as the foundation to support what she says.
Where is it?
I haven't seen it.

That's what she said. I didn't refer to gay people and transgender people as misfits and outsiders. I'm talking about the addendum she added after listing gay, lesbian, and transgender people in the interview she gave prior to going into the house.

I.m glad he said it, but the wording was quite strange and almost identical to what has been said on this forum...............i can't help thinking he has been told to say it.

We're not finding them, she's giving them.
Of course people are picking over her words. If you adopt grand gestures and present yourself as fighting for an important cause, a fight which she fights every day apparently, then it's actually a requirement to examine what she says.
It's something to take seriously. Her words will be important. To treat them casually would be a disservice to what she claims to be fighting for.

It's not like she's arguing over something trivial like who took the sausages because she left four in the fridge.

BIB - Alicia didn't need to use those abilities when it came to Perez. He wasn't the one belittling her.

I didn't see what was said, but after reading this thread just wow. I don't see the upset of letting a straight person have a voice for the LGBT community? I'm not here to change opinions I'm here to know why people seem to think that? Also saying she's not a member of LGBT, when did we become a member only? Do you really have to be Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender? I have straight friends just like Michelle who would do anything for gay rights and equality and I very much will count them in the LGBT community, because to me it stands for recognition of those four, not a group JUST for those four. The whole point of it is to support equality. Again, this is my opinion and I welcome you to change my mind.