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BB's BIAS in favour of "The Gang".
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anne_666
04-02-2015
Why are so many clips showing their behaviour missed from the main show?

Day 9 after Perez nommed Michelle, she starts the house divide and offers Callum a bribe to join her "family".

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-9...nds-perez-fake

Same day, pick a "side" Keith

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-9-pick-side-chegs

1.24 Hopkins wishing Perez and Kaite P pain.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...r-letters-home

School yard time.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...s-annoy-pricey

Michelle isn't happy with Hopkins nasty behaviour,but only for her own selfish reasons

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...py-katies-game

After last nights row between Callum and Perez and Callum being so hurt by Perez saying he's not his friend, this happened. Callum is well and truly outed by Perez for his backstabbing.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...ologises-calum

There we have more of the "you've done nothing to me personally I leave rooms (bully you) because of what you've done to everyone else". So we've now had Callum, Kav and Michelle all say, in the last few days, he's done nothing personally to them, it's what he's done to "everyone else". 5 of them bully Perez, that leaves 2 as the "everyone else" KH and the sweet departed Cami.

I wonder if this makes it onto the main show tonight?

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...le-been-fooled
Fairy Wings
04-02-2015
Maybe they don't have time after all, we then wouldn't see as much of Perez if they focused on the other HM's.

Perez' many dance routines.

Perez making little sculptures out of tinfoil.

Perez throwing beans at a wall etc

All these riveting snippets would be missed if we were shown what's really going on in the house.
molliepops
04-02-2015
It happens every year they chose a side early on sometimes I am on their side and sometimes I am fighting a fight against the bias. I guess we just have to accept they are never going to play the game fairly.
anne_666
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Maybe they don't have time after all, we then wouldn't see as much of Perez if they focused on the other HM's.

Perez' many dance routines.

Perez making little sculptures out of tinfoil.

Perez throwing beans at a wall etc

All these riveting snippets would be missed if we were shown what's really going on in the house.”

That's hardly the point FW.
anne_666
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“It happens every year they chose a side early on sometimes I am on their side and sometimes I am fighting a fight against the bias. I guess we just have to accept they are never going to play the game fairly.”

It's the slide into blatant promotion of bullying now. It's sickening and is this what viewers really want to see?
Lilylilac
04-02-2015
Gawd, you have been doing your homework....It would take me over an hour to look through all that lot.
JVS
04-02-2015
I think Katie H is considered their 'prize' booking, they've given her a lot of leeway in the show. BB may be just anti-Perez rather than pro her arse-licking gang, though. BBBOTS makes no secret of the fact they hate Perez.
Cat-
04-02-2015
Gosh I haven't seen those earlier clips. These go to show how much Michelle led a campaign right at the beginning to isolate Perez. And then we had the later stuff with Hopkins telling everyone to isolate him. And what about that childish behaviour where both Keith and Pricey caught them out walking out of the room everytime they sat down?

What is it with these two women? They really are like schoolyard bullies.

Thanks Anne for posting these clips. I would love Hopkins and Visage out that door tonight in a double. Can't see it happening though. More like they'll be first and second in the final encouraged by BB by hiding some of their disgusting childish behaviour
molliepops
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“It's the slide into blatant promotion of bullying now. It's sickening and is this what viewers really want to see?”

I agree Anne but this isn't first year it has happened IMO
Makes me wonder as you say what they think we want to see and what the people making the show are like ? I always imagine some quite disturbed people these days
Cat-
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by JVS:
“I think Katie H is considered their 'prize' booking, they've given her a lot of leeway in the show. BB may be just anti-Perez rather than pro her arse-licking gang, though. BBBOTS makes no secret of the fact they hate Perez.”

They've been supporting Hopkins right from the off. That woman has been allowed to take liberties that others haven't.
Cat-
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I agree Anne but this isn't first year it has happened IMO
Makes me wonder as you say what they think we want to see and what the people making the show are like ? I always imagine some quite disturbed people these days ”

Something like the truth would be good for starters mollie. Some of these clips should have been shown so that people get a better representation of what's going on in there. Instead we've seen Perez whipped up to that DR and warned for the slightest thing whereas Hopkins has had free reign to do what she likes..............and some of her more vile behaviour cut out and lying on the editing suite floor. It's shockingly biased.
anne_666
04-02-2015
Thye've also been very careful to rarely show Hopkins in her true colours. On BOTS Patsy said she's never heard or had such disgusting things said to her in her life, then quoted couple. The usual tripe about Northerners and Northern slags. They also reduced her Maggie Thatcher adoration speech, from the debate task.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...th-too-neutral
molliepops
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Something like the truth would be good for starters mollie. Some of these clips should have been shown so that people get a better representation of what's going on in there. Instead we've seen Perez whipped up to that DR and warned for the slightest thing whereas Hopkins has had free reign to do what she likes..............and some of her more vile behaviour cut out and lying on the editing suite floor. It's shockingly biased.”

Absolutely I don't think we have had the truth since live feed ended I used to check the what was happening thread for the truth not the 45 minute show and certainly not the off shoots.
humpty dumpty
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“It happens every year they chose a side early on sometimes I am on their side and sometimes I am fighting a fight against the bias. I guess we just have to accept they are never going to play the game fairly.”

I don't usually mind the edits, and appreciate that some things have to be left out (especially if there's a lot of drama going on). But I'm really disappointed with them not showing Katie's 'game'....how she beckoned Michelle to leave the room, giggled when found out and spelled out her plan to ostracise. One of the biggest debates both on here and out on twitter is Katie's treatment of Perez, with one side claiming it was unecessary ostracization, and the other claiming it was necessary with Perez or he deserved it. This clip is so relevant, because it clearly means that Perez was not a 'special case' and It's in Katie H's nature to behave cruelly for fun. I really believe she would have lost quite a number of fans had this been shown. and in it's own right, the scene was the type of thing BB usually likes to show (conflict between the groups)

Showing this would also have put Keith's apparent irritability later into context and Also explain why Katie P may be coming across as a bit awkward and boring. I'm no big Katie P fan, but I'm sure a lot of us would find it hard to be fun and entertaining, when you're amongst people who are deliberately avoiding you for fun and who you know are in a formed clique who all put you up for eviction.

hate to jump on the 'unfair edit' bandwagon but in this case I definitely think it was, especially considering Katie H is set up to win the thing.
nitpikkin2
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“That's hardly the point FW.”

I think it confirms the point you're making about editorial bias favouring the forces of darkness. Focusing on Perez's bean throwing means viewers don't get to see their plotting in the background. And the reactions of Hopkins and co massages viewers perceptions that an isolated Perez continues to be bullied. He redeems himself later by confronting and vanquishing each of them, then returns home the hero. The end.
nitpikkin2
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lilylilac:
“Gawd, you have been doing your homework....It would take me over an hour to look through all that lot.”

I know. Good work!
Cat-
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I don't usually mind the edits, and appreciate that some things have to be left out (especially if there's a lot of drama going on). But I'm really disappointed with them not showing Katie's 'game'....how she beckoned Michelle to leave the room, giggled when found out and spelled out her plan to ostracise. One of the biggest debates both on here and out on twitter is Katie's treatment of Perez, with one side claiming it was unecessary ostracization, and the other claiming it was necessary with Perez or he deserved it. This clip is so relevant, because it clearly means that Perez was not a 'special case' and It's in Katie H's nature to behave cruelly for fun. I really believe she would have lost quite a number of fans had this been shown. and in it's own right, the scene was the type of thing BB usually likes to show (conflict between the groups)

Showing this would also have put Keith's apparent irritability later into context and Also explain why Katie P may be coming across as a bit awkward and boring. I'm no big Katie P fan, but I'm sure a lot of us would find it hard to be fun and entertaining, when you're amongst people who are deliberately avoiding you for fun and who you know are in a formed clique who all put you up for eviction.

hate to jump on the 'unfair edit' bandwagon but in this case I definitely think it was, especially considering Katie H is set up to win the thing.”

Very good post humpty. I agree with everything you've pointed out here. The fact that they haven't shown these clips just proves that they are going to stick to their editorial storyline that Hopkins isn't that bad and she's just a jolly hockeysticks type of person....tongue in cheek and all that. Oh and that KP and Keith are boring moaners and Perez is the one causing everything and deserves everything Hopkins throws at him. Totally distorted.
anne_666
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I agree Anne but this isn't first year it has happened IMO
Makes me wonder as you say what they think we want to see and what the people making the show are like ? I always imagine some quite disturbed people these days ”

I left it all for a year so my last experience was the horrible Jim Davidson debacle.

What do we have this time. A universally despised, duplicitous bigoted bully given the starring role from the very beginning.
momoriro
04-02-2015
Exactly they are all so jealous of Perez because they know he's stealing the show out from under them, the fact that he's still there is their worse fears confirmed.
Michelle and Hatie are just plain nasty, Kav is about as sharp as a bowling ball.
They have kept themselves safe with their voting power that's why they are so upset about Cami leaving, not that it matters now!
nitpikkin2
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Very good post humpty. I agree with everything you've pointed out here. The fact that they haven't shown these clips just proves that they are going to stick to their editorial storyline that Hopkins isn't that bad and she's just a jolly hockeysticks type of person....tongue in cheek and all that. Oh and that KP and Keith are boring moaners and Perez is the one causing everything and deserves everything Hopkins throws at him. Totally distorted.”

My impression is that last night favoured Perez and was damaging to Hopkins & co. Weren't there cheers for him on bots when his confrontation with Michelle was discussed? That's quite a turnaround from the earlier fool who got up the noses of all HMs and was universally reviled.
Scarlet O'Hara
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I don't usually mind the edits, and appreciate that some things have to be left out (especially if there's a lot of drama going on). But I'm really disappointed with them not showing Katie's 'game'....how she beckoned Michelle to leave the room, giggled when found out and spelled out her plan to ostracise. One of the biggest debates both on here and out on twitter is Katie's treatment of Perez, with one side claiming it was unecessary ostracization, and the other claiming it was necessary with Perez or he deserved it. This clip is so relevant, because it clearly means that Perez was not a 'special case' and It's in Katie H's nature to behave cruelly for fun. I really believe she would have lost quite a number of fans had this been shown. and in it's own right, the scene was the type of thing BB usually likes to show (conflict between the groups)

Showing this would also have put Keith's apparent irritability later into context and Also explain why Katie P may be coming across as a bit awkward and boring. I'm no big Katie P fan, but I'm sure a lot of us would find it hard to be fun and entertaining, when you're amongst people who are deliberately avoiding you for fun and who you know are in a formed clique who all put you up for eviction.

hate to jump on the 'unfair edit' bandwagon but in this case I definitely think it was, especially considering Katie H is set up to win the thing.”

The omission of that clip is quite extraordinary, I agree. Having now caught up with the HL show, I can't believe it was because they were pushed for time. It's a very pivotal moment and lays waste to the idea that KH is a pantomime villain or just dislikes Perez.

Removing that clip does, as you say, completely eliminate the context for Keith's aggravation later as well as making Katie Hopkins look less like the mean girl/playground bully she obviously was in the clip.

Also, there are people who defended KH when she confronted Keith about nomming Cami (conveniently missing her muttered spiteful reference to Keith as "it"). If every viewer had seen that clip, they'd have known her questioning was set against a backdrop of openly shunning the guy and getting her gang to do it too.
anne_666
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Something like the truth would be good for starters mollie. Some of these clips should have been shown so that people get a better representation of what's going on in there. Instead we've seen Perez whipped up to that DR and warned for the slightest thing whereas Hopkins has had free reign to do what she likes..............and some of her more vile behaviour cut out and lying on the editing suite floor. It's shockingly biased.”

They choose a theme, usually nasty and fairness flies out of the window.
Without live feed they've cultivated this and it's easy to do.


Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I don't usually mind the edits, and appreciate that some things have to be left out (especially if there's a lot of drama going on). But I'm really disappointed with them not showing Katie's 'game'....how she beckoned Michelle to leave the room, giggled when found out and spelled out her plan to ostracise. One of the biggest debates both on here and out on twitter is Katie's treatment of Perez, with one side claiming it was unecessary ostracization, and the other claiming it was necessary with Perez or he deserved it. This clip is so relevant, because it clearly means that Perez was not a 'special case' and It's in Katie H's nature to behave cruelly for fun. I really believe she would have lost quite a number of fans had this been shown. and in it's own right, the scene was the type of thing BB usually likes to show (conflict between the groups)

Showing this would also have put Keith's apparent irritability later into context and Also explain why Katie P may be coming across as a bit awkward and boring. I'm no big Katie P fan, but I'm sure a lot of us would find it hard to be fun and entertaining, when you're amongst people who are deliberately avoiding you for fun and who you know are in a formed clique who all put you up for eviction.

hate to jump on the 'unfair edit' bandwagon but in this case I definitely think it was, especially considering Katie H is set up to win the thing.”

Thank you, well said. I have no idea why they bother putting anything on their website then deliberately show bias on the main show. Probably to rile anyone who uses it. That seems to be the way, anger people. That's not entertainment.

Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“I think it confirms the point you're making about editorial bias favouring the forces of darkness. Focusing on Perez's bean throwing means viewers don't get to see their plotting in the background. And the reactions of Hopkins and co massages viewers perceptions that an isolated Perez continues to be bullied. He redeems himself later by confronting and vanquishing each of them, then returns home the hero. The end.”

Yes we usually only see what makes the non gang look bad.
humpty dumpty
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Very good post humpty. I agree with everything you've pointed out here. The fact that they haven't shown these clips just proves that they are going to stick to their editorial storyline that Hopkins isn't that bad and she's just a jolly hockeysticks type of person....tongue in cheek and all that. Oh and that KP and Keith are boring moaners and Perez is the one causing everything and deserves everything Hopkins throws at him. Totally distorted.”

Yes it would have effected so many things.

1 The arguement that Perez was a 'special case' when it came to ostracization and they had no other choice. Decent Katie H fans would change their view if they saw that it is more in Katie's nature to ostracise for fun, regardless of who it is.

2 It would have shown how complicit Michelle was in following Katie H's signal to leave the room, bitching and giggling about it in the room. And how cowardly she was in not refusing to be part of such a cruel, unecessary 'game' because it wrong, rather than objecting to the fact that she'd have to get up each time to leave the room!

3 Perez would have likely have been seen in a more sympathetic light (at least in terms of the goading and ostracization) when they see it's a game for Katie that she finds 'fun' and not necessary.

4 As you mentioned Katie P's 'dullness' and Keith's irritability would be seen in a more sympathetic way....in fact I think their popularity would increase by dealing with such childishness in a mature way.

Of course we're all biased, and because I dislike Katie H's behaviour I want it to be exposed so that some of her more decent fans will wake up and smell the coffee! But even from a more neutral stance, the scene was so relevant to the dynamics within the house, to the main debates outside the house and contained drama and conflict....so why was it not shown?
bootyache
04-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Thye've also been very careful to rarely show Hopkins in her true colours. On BOTS Patsy said she's never heard or had such disgusting things said to her in her life, then quoted couple. The usual tripe about Northerners and Northern slags. They also reduced her Maggie Thatcher adoration speech, from the debate task.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...th-too-neutral”



I never seen that clip before.

It's interesting that KH would mention Maggie Thatcher and the poll tax. The poll tax was Maggie's downfall and led to riots because of it's unfairness. It had to be done away with. Yet KH mentions this as if it was some kind of achievement. It's a very blinkered view and already marked down in UK history as a massive fail but this seems to bypass KH completely.

Bullying is an ugly trait. I've experienced this myself. I did not give into it though. But the bully twists and turns things incessantly and especially when they are caught out. And when confronted, they never admit it. They will introduce anything into the conversation rather than own up.

I think bullying comes from childhood. If it's encouraged in the home then the bully knows no better. If a child is bullied by the parents, they may become bullies themselves. But many children who have suffered bullying will not stand for it and often help others who are bullied as they have experienced it themselves.

When my children were younger I have witnessed some parents (not many) encouraging their children to bully in school and in sports. So, unless the child has the wherewithal not to take notice of the parent, the child can be stunted in their growth mentally IMO.
humpty dumpty
04-02-2015
I'm not 100% sure of this (if anyone does know they can let me know)....but I was sure It was mentioned that Katie H went to the diary room to tell them her plans for her new game? If this is the case, Its the drama that BB usually thrives on - a housemate spelling out her intention to ostracise a housemate and encouraging others to do the same. Surely more dramatic than listening to Callum in the diary room telling us how he's going to stay cool over the next few days and not let anything get to him?

It was dramatic and very relevant in every way to the dynamics of the house and explaining resulting behaviours, so you can only conclude that it was a deliberate decision to leave it out.
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