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Old 04-02-2015, 09:58
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I really think big brother told perez to say to Michelle she isn't the voice of the community , it just seems too coincidental that people on here really take issue with Michelle over this and perez chooses now to bring it up when he has had plenty of time to tell her this.

It seems like big brother want the conflict to carry on after it seemed to die down a bit.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:03
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Maybe he has said it several times before but it fits in better with the edits now,as the final approaches?
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:35
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Yes we are saying it on here - yes people are saying it outside - it isn't a coincidence that Perez bought it up. Perez bought it up because the stupidity of the woman banging on and on about gay rights in a house with two gay men in it is no doubt irritating beyond belief.

I don't think BB need to point it out to him - I think he's probably even more aware of the hypocrisy than we the viewers are.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:54
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Yes we are saying it on here - yes people are saying it outside - it isn't a coincidence that Perez bought it up. Perez bought it up because the stupidity of the woman banging on and on about gay rights in a house with two gay men in it is no doubt irritating beyond belief.

I don't think BB need to point it out to him - I think he's probably even more aware of the hypocrisy than we the viewers are.
Absolutely, when has she ever raised important facts about the LGBT community being the only community not given full human rights and being the only section of the community legally discriminated against in law ie not having same rights in adoption, fostering and rights to a full church wedding. When are religions who still spout bigotry going too feel the full force of the law and be stopped from promoting hateful bigotry.
Also many drag queens are heterosexual as are most transexuals so once again she fails even to make this fact clear to the viewing public.
How spending many weeks up Hatie's arse and persecuting and isolating a gay man will help the LGBT community escapes me, could someone please enlighten me?
Stonewall is beacon for gay rights, I donate regularly to them and have helped in their campaigns to get education into Secondary and primary schools.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:01
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Woman is a major supporter of the gay community...gets abused for it.

This forum is just as twisted and revolting as the HM's.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:05
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Woman is a major supporter of the gay community...gets abused for it.

This forum is just as twisted and revolting as the HM's.
But only gay people who fit with her idea of how they should behave, I always thought they were no different to straight people and came in all shapes sizes and colours whereas her gay people have to fit a standard she dictates.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:07
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I really think big brother told perez to say to Michelle she isn't the voice of the community , it just seems too coincidental that people on here really take issue with Michelle over this and perez chooses now to bring it up when he has had plenty of time to tell her this.

It seems like big brother want the conflict to carry on after it seemed to die down a bit.
Why would BB tell him to say anything about what he said?

He does have a brain himself you know.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:10
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Yes we are saying it on here - yes people are saying it outside - it isn't a coincidence that Perez bought it up. Perez bought it up because the stupidity of the woman banging on and on about gay rights in a house with two gay men in it is no doubt irritating beyond belief.

I don't think BB need to point it out to him - I think he's probably even more aware of the hypocrisy than we the viewers are.
Quite. That's his reality. To suggest he wouldn't have noticed the hypocrisy of Michelle championing LGBT rightsw while she joins in their persecution is ridiculous. His timing on this has been perfect and I'm not and have never been a fan of Perez before ppl start accusing me of bias!
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:14
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Woman is a major supporter of the gay community...gets abused for it.

This forum is just as twisted and revolting as the HM's.
I can respect that she does good work on the 'communities' behalf. The thing is - is there nothing else about her? This is all she goes on about. Do we need enlightening? I think it's wonderful when 'celebs(?)' support a worthy cause - when they go on about how they work tirelessly blah, blah, blah it kind of diminishes it IMO.

Actions speak louder than words - a. what has she done to raise awareness in the house? and b. She actively played a part in ostracising a gay man from the house community and joined in with ridiculing someone with learning difficulties.

A past 'reputation' isn't enough - we need to see what she's all about.

Keith might donate to Guide Dogs for the Blind for all we know - Katie P does (I believe) do a lot of charity work in aid of children with Special Needs - we are judging them on what we see - not the good works they do outside the house.

Bigging yourself up for the good work you do isn't on really IMO.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:44
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[quote=Penny

Actions speak louder than words - a. what has she done to raise awareness in the house? and b. She actively played a part in ostracising a gay man from the house community and joined in .[/QUOTE]

You mean, she should ally with any gay man, no matter how obnoxious? Her dislike of Perez springs from his ghastly behaviour. Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to admiration and loyalty because gay men are like everyone else - some are likeable, some are not. Perez is not.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:47
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You mean, she should ally with any gay man, no matter how obnoxious? Her dislike of Perez springs from his ghastly behaviour. Being gay doesn't give you a free pass to admiration and loyalty because gay men are like everyone else - some are likeable, some are not. Perez is not.
She ignored clear homophobic behaviour, I don't care how much you dislike a gay person for their behaviour or attitude you cannot use their sexuality to insult them. Same goes for race and gender and disability IMO
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:53
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How spending many weeks up Hatie's arse and persecuting and isolating a gay man will help the LGBT community escapes me, could someone please enlighten me?
Excellent points!
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:56
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Also many drag queens are heterosexual as are most transexuals so once again she fails even to make this fact clear to the viewing public.
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I keep reading this bit above and wondering where I can find the facts on this. I am aware about the transsexuals abut am slightly confused about the Drag Queens being mostly straight. I feel someone is mixing up drag queens and transsexuals which most people do but I would love a link. I had a google as well and found this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-ba...b_2979249.html but it says the majority are gay so I am wondering why people are perpetuating a myth that Most Drag queens are straight?
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:58
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Maybe he has said it several times before but it fits in better with the edits now,as the final approaches?
Yes quite possible. Perez is his own person and I doubt that he would do BB's bidding.
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Old 04-02-2015, 11:59
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I really think big brother told perez to say to Michelle she isn't the voice of the community , it just seems too coincidental that people on here really take issue with Michelle over this and perez chooses now to bring it up when he has had plenty of time to tell her this.

It seems like big brother want the conflict to carry on after it seemed to die down a bit.
Agree with this.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:01
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I keep reading this bit above and wondering where I can find the facts on this. I am aware about the transsexuals abut am slightly confused about the Drag Queens being mostly straight. I feel someone is mixing up drag queens and transsexuals which most people do but I would love a link. I had a google as well and found this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-ba...b_2979249.html but it says the majority are gay so I am wondering why people are perpetuating a myth that Most Drag queens are straight?
Yes, you're right. We're talking about transsexuals, not straight men in drag. The classic documentary (which is on youtube) is Paris is Burning well worth watching if you want to get an insight into the community.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:07
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I keep reading this bit above and wondering where I can find the facts on this. I am aware about the transsexuals abut am slightly confused about the Drag Queens being mostly straight. I feel someone is mixing up drag queens and transsexuals which most people do but I would love a link. I had a google as well and found this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-ba...b_2979249.html but it says the majority are gay so I am wondering why people are perpetuating a myth that Most Drag queens are straight?
I can only speak from personal experience but all the cross dressers I have known were straight usually married men, Is there a difference between cross dressers and drag queens ? perhaps that is where we are getting confused ?
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:09
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Yes we are saying it on here - yes people are saying it outside - it isn't a coincidence that Perez bought it up. Perez bought it up because the stupidity of the woman banging on and on about gay rights in a house with two gay men in it is no doubt irritating beyond belief.

I don't think BB need to point it out to him - I think he's probably even more aware of the hypocrisy than we the viewers are.
The only other person i know whos watching BB is my hairdresser and hes gay and seems to be completely fooled by Michelle. Do you think people outside are seeing her hypocrisy or are they actually falling for her rubbish shpiel? I hope its the former.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:12
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She ignored clear homophobic behaviour, I don't care how much you dislike a gay person for their behaviour or attitude you cannot use their sexuality to insult them. Same goes for race and gender and disability IMO
Thank you molliepops. It's reassuring that not *everyone* is ignoring this for the sake of bashing other HMs.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:15
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I can only speak from personal experience but all the cross dressers I have known were straight usually married men, Is there a difference between cross dressers and drag queens ? perhaps that is where we are getting confused ?
The way I see it, though I may be wrong as I'm by no means an expert, cross-dressing is a sexual thing, drag is a performance thing, transvestism/transexualism is a gender thing.

I guess that's not to say that all three don't overlap with one another to an extent, but that would be my broad take on it.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:16
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Yes, you're right. We're talking about transsexuals, not straight men in drag. The classic documentary (which is on youtube) is Paris is Burning well worth watching if you want to get an insight into the community.
Oh I am aware of that film. I am gay so was getting mightily confused when people were lumping drag queens and transsexuals together as if they were all the same.


I can only speak from personal experience but all the cross dressers I have known were straight usually married men, Is there a difference between cross dressers and drag queens ? perhaps that is where we are getting confused ?
There is major difference in that cross-dressers or transvestites http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism are doing it as a fetish or sexual thing. Drag queens are performers in the Gay community and this most of them are gay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen

Transsexuals are whole other kettle of fish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexualism
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:16
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She is WAY more the voice of the community than Perez is that's for sure. Not met a gay guy in my LIFETIME that likes him yet.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:39
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She is WAY more the voice of the community than Perez is that's for sure. Not met a gay guy in my LIFETIME that likes him yet.
that she is.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:54
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I'm gay and can't stand the woman. Fair enough she likes and supports gays, but she's not a gay advocate. What exactly has she done for the gay community? A quick google shows that she's done nothing. In fact, she works on a show about drag queens who's behaviour is far more rude ans nastier than anything Perez has done in the house, yet she tells him he is an embarassment to the gay community. She had no right to say this to him and use his sexuality against him. She talks about gay people as if we are a different species. She's not a gay advocate, she's just a "fan" of the gays and seems to want praise and applause because she's not homophobic and because she likes gay people. Well sorry, but there's millions of other people who are not homophobic and who like gay people, and who actually speak about gay people like they're humans and not a different species. Like someone else here said, if she's the voice of the gay community then I'm handing in my gay card.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:58
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It's possible of course that BB brought up the issue with him in the Diary Room in quite a clever fashion ie "What do you make of Michelle's claim to speak for the LGBT community?".
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