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I think what Perez said may have just killed BB forever for hardcore fans |
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Yes, I'd agree with this. I'd add they deliberately edited their show to cover up who the real nasty one was in there and Perez is getting that title by default. Of course he was no angel....he was attention seeking, annoying and said a few things in anger that crossed the line. But he wasn't mean and nasty like Katy H and he didn't deserve the persistent goading and ostracization that she dished out to him.
I think his treatment on BBOTS was awful and completely biased...and it annoyed me that Kav got louder with the insults towards him too as the show went on (once he realised it was a crowd pleaser) ..I can see now why he bonded with Katie H so well, and why both Nadia and Cami were surprised at how sly and two-faced he'd been once they were outside the house. Perez was jeered as if he was the most evil villain, while Kav went on about how lovely Katie H was and that ratings guy called her the nations sweetheart?? I thought I was in an alternate universe for a bit. And I see they've got James Jordan on to attack him some more tomorrow. If I was Perez, I'd tell them to piss off and go and have dinner with Nadia and Alicia instead. |
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Do you think that all they did in the past was a casual, "we think you should sleep on it, can we convince you to stay?!"
I thought it was pretty clear that some HMs who wanted to leave got out a lot more quickly and easily than others, and consequently that BB wanted to keep some of them in but didn't care if the others left. And didn't John James get the have a phone call (to Nathan?) one of the times he was talking of leaving? (Someone above mentioned Caoimhe being reassured about her boyfriend, but I don't remember about that happening or not. |
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Must note, I am a "since 2000" fan and I am not giving up on the show, but I see a lot of hardcore fans are.
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Hard core fan here. Never believed the conspiracy theories. Believe them now. Will still watch next series and beyond.
Just for gods sake don't vote on it ever again though. You wouldn't bet money on a wrestling match would you so don't vote on this show. |
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Yes, I'm afraid he is very weak willed and sly - he's like the character on the Fast Show that didn't have an opinion and always agreed with the last person who spoke.
![]() He has come across as very duplicitous on a number of occasions. |
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Well, one things that's a positive, at least the votes haven't been fixed (and I truly believe that), you see what happened to ITV with their Ant and Dec SNT phone thing. Ch5 wouldn't risk it.
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As you should as well as its good entertainment.
Just for gods sake don't vote on it ever again though. You wouldn't bet money on a wrestling match would you so don't vote on this show.
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Thank you for saving me the bother.
Very well said. ![]() I'll say no more about it as I doubt that I'll be able to muster up enough interest to watch the next few shows knowing the angle they're taking....so you'll have to make the effort yourself next time - good luck!
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Also think its worth remembering. Since the move to Channel 5.
the show now has a Story Editor now there's only one reason they are employed and that's the edit the Stories and given this is supposed to be about totally unique events that would make that job almost impossible unless they create situations (like conflict) and keep them going. ... BB does not have totally unique events. But the sort of events BB does have would not make the job impossible, so that they'd have to create situations. BB sometimes creates situations to force the "entertainment" or "drama", and I suppose every task or twist creates situations to some extent, but that's not because it would otherwise be impossible to find any stories in what happened. Quote:
No I take that point.
its just been focused more with me when its finally out there Cost wasn't the reason a feed isn't back. and its actually getting worse in terms of how much footage is being seen I really do fear for the summer format because If its like last year its going to get Axed and Endemol seem totally clueless to how the fanbase are feeling They really do think last years HM's were "amazing"... ![]() |
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Yes, I'm afraid he is very weak willed and sly - he's like the character on the Fast Show that didn't have an opinion and always agreed with the last person who spoke.
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Yes, I'm afraid he is very weak willed and sly - he's like the character on the Fast Show that didn't have an opinion and always agreed with the last person who spoke.
Look at how he reacted to the twitter comments the other night, he sought reassurance straightaway and needed to be told how great he was. He's the type of person that can't take criticism/insults but is happy to dish them out as it deflects stuff away from him. |
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I don't think the production was completely clean and honest even in bb1. I don't believe BB completely failed to notice Nick's rule-breaking until the HMs called him on it.
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Even the guy called Tom remarked on how the producers used certain footage to portray story lines that they were interested in. We never got to see how manipulative Anna Nolan was, how the girls liked drinking every night, how unstable Nicola was and how both Tom was smoking a cigarette next to Nick Bateman who was the pantomime villain.
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IMO there are a few things as to why this type of show has changed -
- re BB, the decision to put Nikki Grahame back in after viewers paid to vote her out was never truly forgot or forgiven by hardcore fans of the show. Phil Edgar-Jones has even put his hands up and admitted on record it was a very bad decision by himself. - the whole Jade/Shilpa episode -the vote-rigging scandal of ITV shows, especially when it involved the likes of Ant & Dec. The British public are cynical, but not stupid. TV producers have learnt that cheap tv + viewers voting money = success has or is now dying a death. But that viewers still want 'realistic' drama and enjoy the voyeuristic nature of it. They want to believe it's real because it appears so. |
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I like the show on Channel 5, but I do think they do anything for ratings, and it's not a show worth wasting your money on. They need to get the free 5 votes like X Factor did with the app. It's not Big Brother from back in the day, it's a heavily edited show to get headlines and make cash. I enjoy the show, I like Emma and Rylan too, but the producers go overboard with trying to make it controversial. We all wanted a few rules broken now and then in Big Brother, to have people come back and go to hidden rooms etc, we wanted a few truths shown on the screens to shock the house, but Channel 5 overdoes it so it loses effect I think. They want controversy and conflict and it's obvious by all the tasks that are there to wind the house up. Good viewing, but it's not a natural show like it used to be on Channel 4.
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But is this the first time we've heard it straight from the horses mouth before? I can't recall. If it is, then I do think it's understandable as a "point of no return" for some - as in, if it's always been just rumours and conjecture in the past (genuinely cannot remember either way).
The more I see in this thread, the more it seems that the real issue for many people is something else. For oathy, it relates to the live feed. For some others, it seems to be about feeling Perez was treated unfairly. |
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From the very first Big Brother has been a gameshow. The contestants all sang so on the very first season.
But it was a reality gameshow - it was a gameshow based on real events. Now the reality has been largely extracted in favour of production led story lines - albeit that the stories are unscripted from the contestants point of view. I think, I hope, that the contestants are not yet told what roles to play - but it feels like it's heading that way - if only for the 'lead players'. |
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Nadia Almada got a very favourable edit the year she won : apparently she was a lot more unpleasant than she was portrayed (when she returned to UBB, we got to see the real her and she left to boos)
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What did he say that you think may have killed BB for fans?
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I don't think the production was completely clean and honest even in bb1. I don't believe BB completely failed to notice Nick's rule-breaking until the HMs called him on it.
The whole "dead wife" story was quite haunting (especially at the time), as a producer in the 2010 BB documentary said, "we knew he didn't have a wife", but they didn't address it, causing fans to question Nicks behaviour. And then the hidden notes were seen by producers, but they waited for HMs reactions for tension and we hear Craig saying he wanted to smack him one in the night... then that lead to the meeting and Nick's ejection. They could have kicked him out as soon as they saw him writing the first names on the paper, but they waited. |
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There is 1 thing that makes this all convincing, Perez knew the name of the producer. Now, if my knowledge of 15 years of Big Brother is up to speed, the housemates rarely meet producers/Big Brother conflict of interest sort of thing cropped up, Davina once mention it then Emma said it last year, watch Twitter, I have a sneaking suspicion Perex might reveal who it is.
I'll admit though, it's very ****ing strange and scares me to think I have this much loyalty to a show but I think enoughs enough from me now, if it returns to some sort of format I might consider it, but now, I think it might be time for me to drop it.
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That's actually opened my eyes a lot to be fair. I watched the episode of Nick's ejection and the lead up to it, and its clear that the producers saw potential in a controversy, so dragged it out a tiny bit.
The whole "dead wife" story was quite haunting (especially at the time), as a producer in the 2010 BB documentary said, "we knew he didn't have a wife", but they didn't address it, causing fans to question Nicks behaviour. And then the hidden notes were seen by producers, but they waited for HMs reactions for tension and we hear Craig saying he wanted to smack him one in the night... then that lead to the meeting and Nick's ejection. They could have kicked him out as soon as they saw him writing the first names on the paper, but they waited. |
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What do you mean? I don't remember exactly how we knew about John Jame's phone call, but I don't think it was rumours or conjecture. And didn't we also have Chanelle return as part of a task and talk with Ziggy about outside opportunities? So far as I can recall, we knew about that because we saw it.
The more I see in this thread, the more it seems that the real issue for many people is something else. For oathy, it relates to the live feed. For some others, it seems to be about feeling Perez was treated unfairly. As for your second paragraph, I can't disagree, but then again, everyone sees things differently. |
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Exactly, that's part of my point, they knew the viewers would still vote with their fingers on dials but since C5 took over, and the explosion of the internet, they know that the British public is cynical but they are still drawn to the drama. They know that Towie and Made In Chelsea aren't 'real' but are still hooked.
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That's the real issue though. Channel 5 & Endemol have never come out and said publically that the format has changed, it is still billed as Big Brother, the same as in 2000 as it is today, and for arguments sake, lets say Ofcom received an official complaint about billing the show as unscripted "real" reality television surely then Channel 5 & Endemol are ****ed, why keep it secret? You can't hide information like this for anything else you pay for in life when you think about it.
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