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Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by planets:
“Alexander was far from blameless, why do you think he went out ? why do think we weren't shown?”

Why did Perez set out to have a go at him? Why not leave him alone?

Perez never left ANYONE alone, that's part of his problem and part of his psychological bullying. They have to get away from him and they can't.

And when they do because they can't bear him, they are seen as bullying him, and when they don't there's a confrontation with him and Perez blames THEM.

No one NO ONE apart from Nadia who looked knackered and couldn't wait to get away from him, liked Perez in that house.

Keith was JUBILANT, happy as a bird that he was gone.

Perez is the sort of person that people DON'T want around. There are reasons for this that aren't 'he's misunderstood', as Perez chose to act normally now and again and was just about tolerable. And then he chose to act like an arsehole again.

That's his choice, and he can't expect people to like him when he has no consideration or thought for anyone else AT LEAST, and is deliberately offensive at other times.

You underestimate him. And you give him too much credibility. He's a massive manipulator and thrives on conflict. His life and career are a testament to THAT, not to him being 'misunderstood'.

He's figured out that it 'didn't wash' and he's changed his shtick, he's not stupid, he's still playing the public.
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No, it's obvious that you believe whatever he says though.

Do you think Perez acted completely innocently? Do you think Perez didn't know he was upsetting and offending Alexander?

Or do you think that was perfectly okay for him to follow him around and make obscene gestures at him, because he's old and black and might have some difficulty dealing with being treated to that delightful display without saying something he shouldn't which would show he was homophobic and so he deserves it?

Or was Perez mimicking rimming him just a misunderstanding then? Perez was really being 'playful', nice and friendly? Do you think Perez didn't know what he was doing at all?”

BiB - And do you think it's ok for Alex to vocalise his homophobia aggresively before all that happened? You're conveniently ignoring that bit aren't you?
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“BiB - And do you think it's ok for Alex to vocalise his homophobia aggresively before all that happened? You're conveniently ignoring that bit aren't you?”

What happened then? What did Alexander say before that and why?

And does it make Perez' behaviour any more acceptable if Alexander was out of order?
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Yeah yeah.

And you believe Perez and you have no reason to.

The coughing wasn't funny at all. Perez did it deliberately to wake the others, he said so. He then stood right next to Alex's bed and coughed until he woke him up. Alexander was confused and nervous.

It was nasty.”

not quite as nasty as miming shooting Perez with a gun and saying that's what he'd do if they were in the states is it?
or insinuating he'd catch a "something" off Perez' breathing on him?
or indeed holding his crotch and saying "I will get in your ass. I will get in your ass sonny. Get some son. You want some, son? Get some son" while Perez was talking to Nadia and not engaging with him at all.
Penny Crayon
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Why did Perez set out to have a go at him? Why not leave him alone?

Perez never left ANYONE alone, that's part of his problem and part of his psychological bullying. They have to get away from him and they can't.

And when they do because they can't bear him, they are seen as bullying him, and when they don't there's a confrontation with him and Perez blames THEM.

No one NO ONE apart from Nadia who looked knackered and couldn't wait to get away from him, liked Perez in that house.

Keith was JUBILANT, happy as a bird that he was gone.

Perez is the sort of person that people DON'T want around. There are reasons for this that aren't 'he's misunderstood', as Perez chose to act normally now and again and was just about tolerable. And then he chose to act like an arsehole again.

That's his choice, and he can't expect people to like him when he has no consideration or thought for anyone else AT LEAST, and is deliberately offensive at other times.

You underestimate him. And you give him too much credibility. He's a massive manipulator and thrives on conflict. His life and career are a testament to THAT, not to him being 'misunderstood'.

He's figured out that it 'didn't wash' and he's changed his shtick, he's not stupid, he's still playing the public.”


I accept that we all se things differently - that's life.

What do you make of the gigs that Alexander was booked to play last weekend though? I find that really strange - how did he know he'd be out in time to fulfil his obligations?
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by planets:
“not quite as nasty as miming shooting Perez with a gun and saying that's what he'd do if they were in the states is it?
or insinuating he'd catch a "something" off Perez' breathing on him?
or indeed holding his crotch and saying "I will get in your ass. I will get in your ass sonny. Get some son. You want some, son? Get some son" while Perez was talking to Nadia and not engaging with him at all.”

Get on.

Perez 'had a cough' didn't he? And having someone like Perez breathing all over me would creep me out massively. Why would he do that?

Why did Alexander say such things to Perez? He didn't say anything like that to Kav or anyone else. Got any idea?
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I accept that we all se things differently - that's life.

What do you make of the gigs that Alexander was booked to play last weekend though? I find that really strange - how did he know he'd be out in time to fulfil his obligations?”

No idea.

But Alexander was not faking that upset and anxiety and lack of control, whether you hate him for it or not.
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Why did Perez set out to have a go at him? Why not leave him alone?

Perez never left ANYONE alone, that's part of his problem and part of his psychological bullying. They have to get away from him and they can't.

And when they do because they can't bear him, they are seen as bullying him, and when they don't there's a confrontation with him and Perez blames THEM.

No one NO ONE apart from Nadia who looked knackered and couldn't wait to get away from him, liked Perez in that house.

Keith was JUBILANT, happy as a bird that he was gone.

Perez is the sort of person that people DON'T want around. There are reasons for this that aren't 'he's misunderstood', as Perez chose to act normally now and again and was just about tolerable. And then he chose to act like an arsehole again.

That's his choice, and he can't expect people to like him when he has no consideration or thought for anyone else AT LEAST, and is deliberately offensive at other times.

You underestimate him. And you give him too much credibility. He's a massive manipulator and thrives on conflict. His life and career are a testament to THAT, not to him being 'misunderstood'.

He's figured out that it 'didn't wash' and he's changed his shtick, he's not stupid, he's still playing the public.”

And you are leaping to make massive assumptions about what i think...all i've said here is that Alexander wasn't blameless as you are trying to make out - which is what Penny Crayon expressed too.

You conveniently don't mention any of Alexander's behaviour or the fact he had tour dates booked so was going to leave before then anyway, you know before he disappeared with no reason for leaving to protect his reputation.
ste12three
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No, it's obvious that you believe whatever he says though.

Do you think Perez acted completely innocently? Do you think Perez didn't know he was upsetting and offending Alexander?

Or do you think that was perfectly okay for him to follow him around and make obscene gestures at him, because he's old and black and might have some difficulty dealing with being treated to that delightful display without saying something he shouldn't which would show he was homophobic and so he deserves it?

Or was Perez mimicking rimming him just a misunderstanding then? Perez was really being 'playful', nice and friendly? Do you think Perez didn't know what he was doing at all?”

While you didn't ask me I think it needs said that Perez isn't innocent and is very far from it. He is an attention seeking over the top absolute drama queen that feeds on attention but things aren't so black and white.

This fashionable hate campaign against him is so one sided. When James Jordan and that other overweight guy go into the house they literally say nothing but negativity to Perez and compliment everyone else. Someone then phones in and is nasty to Perez and says something nice to everyone else. It's so one sided and very very sad.

A few days ago I really disliked perez but this one sided hate campaign makes me feel for him.
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Get on.

Perez 'had a cough' didn't he? And having someone like Perez breathing all over me would creep me out massively. Why would he do that?

Why did Alexander say such things to Perez? He didn't say anything like that to Kav or anyone else. Got any idea?”

Sorry what does "Get on" mean?

Perez was nowhere near Alexander when Alexander said that about the breathing, he was the other side of the kitchen talking to Nadia. So if someone is on the other side of a room breathing that would creep you out massively?
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by ste12three:
“While you didn't ask me I think it needs said that Perez isn't innocent and is very far from it. He is an attention seeking over the top absolute drama queen that feeds on attention but things aren't so black and white.

This fashionable hate campaign against him is so one sided. When James Jordan and that other overweight guy go into the house they literally say nothing but negativity to Perez and compliment everyone else. Someone then phones in and is nasty to Perez and says something nice to everyone else. It's so one sided and very very sad.

A few days ago I really disliked perez but this one sided hate campaign makes me feel for him.”

He did alright on Bots and he has loyal fans who believe he's fine which I find amazing.

It's only a game show. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
Penny Crayon
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No idea.

But Alexander was not faking that upset and anxiety and lack of control, whether you hate him for it or not.”

I don't hate him. I think he was angry at still being in there TBH - Chloe was voted out - I think he expected to be - he'd had enough. On her exit interview Chloe said she thought he'd walk.

He knew that he had gigs booked - I don't think his heart was really in it - he wasn't there for the long haul. I daresay he wasn't faking the anxiety and lack of control - I'm not sure that the BB house was really for him.

TBH - I don't know why it became such a big thing - he really wasn't contributing much was he? Maybe I missed something.
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“What happened then? What did Alexander say before that and why?”

Watch for yourself.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“And does it make Perez' behaviour any more acceptable if Alexander was out of order?”

I think it puts it in perspective.
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by planets:
“Sorry what does "Get on" mean?

Perez was nowhere near Alexander when Alexander said that about the breathing, he was the other side of the kitchen talking to Nadia. So if someone is on the other side of a room breathing that would creep you out massively? ”

If he had a cold and was breathing on the food, and if I felt that he was persecuting me and trying to upset me and I was nervous and angry round him, I might wish him away from the dinner.
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“If he had a cold and was breathing on the food, and if I felt that he was persecuting me and trying to upset me and I was nervous and angry round him, I might wish him away from the dinner.”

But he wasn't breathing on the food. Nadia was cooking the food leaning over the pot stirring it and Perez was on the other side of the counter dressed as a fairy chatting quietly to Nadia. He wasn't anywhere near Alexander. Alexander started ranting to Katie Price on the other side of the room. Alexander wasn't bothered about Nadia breathing on the food.
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Watch for yourself.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0



I think it puts it in perspective.”

Nah, waking Alexander up, following him around and doing all that 'rimming' stuff like some sexually predatory weirdo when you can't get away from them is deeply unpleasant and DESIGNED to produce the worst possible effect - which can then be twisted round and used, which it was.
Rhumbatugger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by planets:
“But he wasn't breathing on the food. Nadia was cooking the food leaning over the pot stirring it and Perez was on the other side of the counter dressed as a fairy chatting quietly to Nadia. He wasn't anywhere near Alexander. Alexander started ranting to Katie Price on the other side of the room.”

So Alexander was losing it? Why was that then?
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Nah, waking Alexander up, following him around and doing all that 'rimming' stuff like some sexually predatory weirdo when you can't get away from them is deeply unpleasant and DESIGNED to produce the worst possible effect - which can then be twisted round and used, which it was.”

Nah what?

This was BEFORE any of the 'rimming' stuff or blowing kisses.
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So Alexander was losing it? Why was that then?”

I think it's obvious when you watch the clip what Alexander's problem was.

I found his behaviour very disappointing, I was looking forward to Alexander being in the house as i remember seeing Alex live in the 80s at Hammersmith Odeon.
Flowes
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So Alexander was losing it? Why was that then?”

Because he has no self control.
trevor tiger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“In my first posts about Perez back on day 1 or 2, I said I thought he had a really kind face, and I still feel exactly the same. He's got this childlike openness and vulnerability that I find completely endearing.

That interview was really compelling and I'm slightly in awe of his resilience. To come through that experience AND the reaction he's had since getting outside, and still be smiling and self-deprecating is quite something. I'd have cracked up.”

I always maintained Perez was a kind person and that was because of how he was in the beginning. Most of the HMs actually ignored Ken at the start but Perez worried over him not having a bed and asked if he wanted to share with him. Most of the others turned a blind eye.

Originally Posted by Nesta Robbins:
“Well I couldn't wait! Found the clip on You tube. As others have said, an excellent interview and Perez comes across as a decent, kind and quite humble person, actually quite shell shocked from it all. His non-fans are unlikely to ever be converted, but if you're prepared to watch the interview to the end, with an open mind, I think at the very least, you'll concede just how skewed our perceptions and opinions of someone can be, when you only see the negative stuff, with the extreme editing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSb1V4uw6p4”

Thank you for linking
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So Alexander was losing it? Why was that then?”

Because he's a crusty old homophobe with anger management issues?
Flowes
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Because he's a crusty old homophobe with anger management issues?”

better put than what I said.
trevor tiger
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Because he's a crusty old homophobe with anger management issues?”

Gonna go all facebook Like
magwitch
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Because he's a crusty old homophobe with anger management issues?”

That'll be why he made the whole 'I ain't got nothing against gays, damn my cousins is gay, I love them, I didn't mean any disrespect to the community'. Because he got told, or became aware, that what he was saying could be interpreted as homophobic. ANYONE can play the 'hey, I ain't racist /homophobic /sexist/.... I got a black friend/ gay brother/ mother, sister. I can't possibly be! It's a really stupid argument and has rightly been mocked worldwide for a long time.
I think Alex got caught up in a shitstorm and didn't handle it well at all. Perez was a total dick for the way he handled it too - played it to the max and I can see why people concluded he 'got Alex booted out'. Funnily enough, though, Michelle The Voice was completely silent. Unless I missed something? Maybe she stepped up and sorted out this case of (mis)interpreted homophobia? If she did, she was damned quiet about it.

Seriously, the more I think about it the more I want to question that woman about her so-called fight. If there was ONE instance in the House where she should have been forefront - where was she?? Nowhere. That's where.
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