Perhaps we should have an open mind and give a UK Drag Race a fair go until we write it off without ever even seeing what it would be like for ourselves?

And I dare say just because you happen to know drag queens that are against the idea doesn't mean the entire drag population of Great Britain feel the same. For example some of the drag BOTS audience the other day looked like polished contestants already, and I would imagine if you asked them they'd be very eager to appear.

I was referring to what they said about drag race showing a "stereotypical" section of society. I calls them as I sees them.

So not cool, the whole drag queen loving community will be voting for that hag to win so they can have their show.
Dirty tactics.
I've nothing against Drag Queens and support any sexual orientation. But this is bang out of order.

*passes glasses*

Well they have staged it all to make it happen, quite nauseating that the woman used Perez to harp on about her cause and now this nonsense.
You don't need a moron like her to promote a show.
Dirty tactics. After all she figured she'd be in the final from the start. So I hope that people vote for anyone but that witch.

But then how would you know if the cat was in there or not?


Start with Smarties tubes on the legs, make them walk like a robot. [/JimmyCarr]

I'm pretty sure it was a tongue in cheek statement

Drag Race UK's already in production with Johnathan Ross

What I know of Rupaul makes me think this kind of statement is very out of character and there's every chance this has been maybe a little lost in translation

Just me two-cents worth tho

Who would want to watch that crap anyway ?

Also, if i were a fan, i would be annoyed that they are trying to bribe me into voting for her.

BIB No precisely the opposite.

Michelle has made a big deal of saying she is on BB to represent the gay community (what she means by that or why she thinks of BB as a forum in which any social group needs to be represented particularly, is anyone's guess). Yet her representation through this medium (BB) has associated her quite clearly with one particular aspect of gay culture.

You are probably right about our different social circles. In my social circle gay people are ordinary people who are focussed on running their businesses, doing their jobs, sitting on residents' associations, charity, PTFA and other such committees, gardening, dancing, taking part in sport, raising families in some cases. In other words they are no different in most respects to straight people and their daily preoccupations are much the same. One or two are a little more flamboyant than average but the same is true of some straight people.

I am always keen to improve my knowledge. I wonder if you can say the same. As I hadn't seen the show referred to I attempted to find out more about it. But rather than answer my question you chose to assume that I was inferring something negative (which I wasn't) and went off on one based on your own prejudicial assumptions about who I am and what I know. Assumptions that were quite wrong.

When I find I haven't as much knowledge as I might have, my attitude is to find out more. It seems in that matter we differ too. I notice you weren't the one to give me greater insight into this show and I am grateful to Honestlee for his insights. It sounds as if this show does take a more sympathetic view than I had hitherto thought.

My original remark was based on the experience that a show focussed on a particular community tends not to do that community much good in terms of public perception. Most of these shows are designed to present which ever minority group they portray as an entertaining oddity for the general populous to point and laugh at. Thanks to the poster that took the trouble to respond to my query I now know that this programme has different aims. Nevertheless it may not stop the average viewer from drawing the most reductive of impressions from it.

I would suggest that if you have any interest in getting a fairer portrayal of a particular group that you put down you campaign banner occasionally. Instead of trying to corner people in order to accuse them erroneously of being prejudiced you may find building rapport, listening and explaining are more effective weapons in whatever war it is you are fighting.

LOL @ dirty tactics and bribery comments. All of the housemates social media accounts have been taken over by someone while in the house. They and their supporters are all rallying around and begging for votes too. Some people are so blinkered by their hatred for certain housemates, they will use the flimsiest of excuses as a stick to beat them with, totally laughable

Queen Michelle to WIN and Queen Michelle for Drag Race UK

I have a private hot line to Schrodinger!

Go you, excellent post.

I'm not fighting any war. I'm not a campaigner for gay rights nor claiming to be (I am Brenda, not Michelle). I'm not looking to get a fairer portrayal of anyone. I'm a reality TV watcher fangirling about one of my favourite shows. I think your advice would be best given to someone else more worthy and political than little old me.

By the time I'd checked back on the thread one or two posters already did a wonderful job of explaining the show so i didn't feel the need to be repititive or drone on. Your original message assumed Drag Race would make big fat gypsy wedding seem classy - was that not inferring something negative? At that point I don't believe you were looking to expand your knowledge or learn more.

The assumption that my gay friends are not average people with everyday jobs is pretty wild - I guess I made a similar assumption with you, but I was basing mine on your slaughtering Drag Race for negatively portraying stereotypes (based on what appears to be absolutely nothing).

I didn't know Ru Paul looked down on people on the dole

I still think Big Fat Gypsy Benefit Thieves Wrap Cats would be a winner

Well now I'm even more against Michelle winning.
The person who wins should be the person that gets the votes from the public because they liked that person and their behaviour in the house, not because of a promise of something in return.

No. I refer you to the response I gave earlier (post59). Specifically the penultimate paragraph which explains my initial motive. You may have believed I was referring something negative but I wasn't.. I acknowledge it was a brief post and easy to misinterpret. I would have happily explained had I been asked.

Anyway I think it is cleared up now. Isn't it.

Now you are cooking on gas!

While there isn't a stereotype that all gay men are drag queens in their spare time, there are a lot of people out there for whom gay is still the camp and effeminate stereotype. In terms of TV culture, if you're a gay man and want to get anywhere (Graham Norton, Alan Carr, Julian Clary, Paul O'Grady, Louis Spence, etc.), you have to be camp and outrageous, so that you're seen as different, because TV likes stereotypes, and TV doesn't want to offend certain viewers by portraying a gay man as being just the same personalitywise as a straight man.

In the wrong hands a show like this could enforce that stereotype even further.

I simply stated my opinion/view. This is a forum. That's what happens. People come here to share opinions.

Don't be too hasty.

Keith's 'people' have promised that if he wins there will categorically never be another series of Naked Jungle.

You are easily taken in. Trry 16th April at the Clapham Grand.

I would much rather watch Big Fat Cats wrapping Gypsies and Benefit thieves myself

I tried it, but their claws kept ripping the paper

Wow, she is willing to do anything to win…I kind of don't blame her since it is her career but I still can't stand the hypocrite!
Now I even question her support of LGBT people since it is her job's target audience (one of the target audiences). I'm sure she is pro-lgbt but it is also a cash cow for her (good for her and good for them).
I hope she doesn't win but I still believe in equal rights for all (and for a world tolerant of others and a world without bullies)