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jobielad
05-02-2015
Originally Posted by AbbieJay:
“If you remember back to Big Brother 1, nothing much actually happened. Excitement was few and far between. It now has to be shocks and warnings about language, aggression etc 'from the beginning and throughout', which is a bit sad.”

That's the time it truly was a social experiment though and genuinely. Now it's more like I feel like one of the deprave aristocracy that used to pay to visit Bedlam on a Sunday afternoon to watch the lunatics (they were called that at the time) fighting in the pits
AbbieJay
05-02-2015
When BB first started it was shocking to have people deceive others in the house. Eg. look at how Nasty Nick was perceived by everyone - and what did he do? Try to influence votes. It is so much more corrupt now, and so are we, it's like we're being steered by the media into a hellish cut-throat society. (Ok maybe an exaggeration but you know what I mean).
RabidWolverine1
05-02-2015
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“Excellent post Nathan, have you copied and emailed it to the production team c/o the website yet? Just an idea”

Erm no I haven't yet

Interesting idea...should I?
muggins14
06-02-2015
Great post RW1, and all the other suggestions from FMs too. Hear hear!
KT_Dog
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Erm no I haven't yet

Interesting idea...should I?”

There's no down side to it. Why not?
AbbieJay
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“That's the time it truly was a social experiment though and genuinely. Now it's more like I feel like one of the deprave aristocracy that used to pay to visit Bedlam on a Sunday afternoon to watch the lunatics (they were called that at the time) fighting in the pits ”

Yes! And Running Man, where the vicious public bay for blood of the prisoners. Imagine how bad it could become if the boundaries and pushed.
jobielad
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Erm no I haven't yet

Interesting idea...should I?”

I did once over something - can't for the life of me remember what now but it was to do with BB and I got a reply. Apparently loads of people had contacted OFCOM rather than the producers and they told me it was being looked at by them. They did reply though. I think if you do it may be worth adding some of the other valid comments on here if people don't mind - you can certainly add mine about Bedlam
SamX
06-02-2015
I've also watched every series since the beginning. I completely agree with the opening post.

I also agree with the post about keeping the diary room private and not playing back footage to cause arguments. It only serves to make housemates distrust the diary room and not be natural. How great was it watching Victor in the diary room in BB5?

Knowledge from the outside world has a terrible effect on the house and changes people's behaviour for the worse. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Stephen making a fool of himself last summer, but once he got a whiff of how he was being perceived he changed his behaviour and became a predictable bore.

All want is for the basic rules to be brought back.
Lou17
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Edit - Okay I scrolled up and wrote this after writing out my admitted rant just to point out there is no real discernible order to this rant. Im just saying it as it comes to me. Im saying it because its got to a point where I need to vent this out and this is the forum to do it. I just figured it was better to just have one huge moan than a few different topics so here goes nothing...

(God Bless DS for allowing rants )

The Many Things Wrong With A Show I Once Loved

STOP USING YOUR SPIN OFF SHOW TO TELL ME WHO I SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. All throughout your Channel 4 years even when you had HM's who were complete and utter idiots and you could see that with your own eyes, you still remained neutral and indifferent to all of the housemates on BBLB and BBBM. You gave all of the housemates pretty much equal amounts of time of pro's and negative's until they were evicted. So stop telling me who has been on "an incredible journey" or who has been "undoubtedly a great housemate". You are paid to put on the show...not to tell people who they should be voting for as an acceptable winner. I don't care if you think people like Hopkins or Helen have gone on some kind of redemption jounrey...stop telling peopl they are a worthy winner.

That's not for you to decide... Thats for us to decide. Heck you even hired a Geordie Bloke 15 years ago to tell us that we decide. Or have you just now decided that maybe you don't like that part of the show.

You know these earth shattering twists that are going to "rock the house to its very core"...Ever plan on delivering on one of those promises? Its basic common sense that if you build something up so much...more often than not it will not live up to expectations. Especially when its a way to try and keep the "contraversial" housemates away from being nominated.

Tell you what you could do if you wanted a huge shock twist that would rock the house to its very core...Bare with me because this might seem a little out there. Have them go up the stairs to nominate in the Diary Room in secret...and then when they least expect it...Keep it secret . You do so many twists and turns to ensure that nominations are not a secret anymore...that its not a shock. I would be more shocked if you had normal nominations and people didn't find out who nominated them.

If you have 12-16 people living in a house where they can not escape from, conflict will naturally happen. You don't need to always play hidden clips showing the bitching (Especially when you only tend to show it to people likely to pick fights). You seem more than capable of picking housemates who just love to have an argument to begin with.

If you want an actual "game show" where anything coul happen and go anyway, stop doing tasks every week to tell them public perception. You might want to be able to control who gets nominated through these tasks but it literally leaves Zero element of suprise. Every time you do these tasks...I could tell you who will be up for eviction. We don't need Eamon Holmes, James Jordan & Jim Davidson going in and telling people what everyone thinks of them. We don't need you to read out negative tweets about people...they are not supposed to know that kind of thing.

Speaking of which...with your nominations. Can you just have a constant rule of what makes you up for eviction. If you don't want it as the two or more with the highest number of votes because you want more people up, fine but at least come up with a new rule you stick to. Like 2 Nominations or more and your up...don't change it on the fly so you can yet again control who is up for eviction.

You are supposed to be "Reality TV" or at least that is what you call yourself. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. So the more you interfere with the natural flow of things...is the less you actually are a "Reality" show. Right now I can barely tell the difference between yourselves and Made In Chelsea...well actually MIC is probably a little more high end at this point.

Your shopping tasks half the time I can't tell what actually qualifies for them passing the task. Sometimes you don't even give an answer to that yourself. For all we know your just sat there deciding whether you want to let them eat this week or not.

As for Live Feed...You know what I do want live feed, but I can live without it. The problem is you will never get away from people pointing out how much you interferre unless they can watch events unfold live themselves. If the cost is an issue to put it on TV then fine...Channel 4 successfully got paid live stream online. This has to be an easier option for you.

Even as it stands right now...you give us clips online for us to see to create "Exclusive as it happens content" and I get that, I really do. But to then only put half of the clip and in turn half of the story on the HL show is shooting yourself in the foot. I know HL shows are limited but if you are going to make the full clip available online and not put it in full on the HL show there will always be people pointing out how you are editing it in someones favour and you only have yourself to blame.

Most importantly and I Cant stress this enough...This rant is happening because I at one point loved this show. I watched Big Brother 1, I remember being captivated when Nasty Nick was ejected. I remember Brian Dowling breaking barriers when he first won, I remember when Kate became the first female winner. I remember when Nadia became the first TG winner. Ive enjoyed a hell of a lot of highs as a fan of Big Brother and defended it throuh a hell of a lot of lows...

The problem is the lows these days are by far outweighing the highs. Its getting harder and harder to justify to myself why I still watch this. Its completely unrecognizeable to the show I knew. I know you have to move with the times...but this is not Big Brother to me anymore.

I can't for 100% sure say im never going to watch this show again, because I still want to be a fan. But when BB is on at 9pm and I look and see a new BBC/ITV drama or maybe a comedy panel show on elsewhere...its getting a hell of a lot easier to choose them over Big Brother. The record button isn't even looking that appealing anymore.

I know you check these forums and will still probably not care in any way shape or form about this post but as someone who want's to be watching and supporting this show. Please remember...you had a much loved award winning show for a reason. It used to be something that people loved to talk about in work, school...anywhere. Now it is a walking definition of "Guilty Pleasure"...I don't know that many people who admit to watching this. Certainly not people who will admit to it in large groups.

Yeah so huge massive rant done for now

For anyone who has took the time to read...thanks very much.

Nathan ”

Absolutely, fantastic post!

I have to say you've covered a lot of what I now dislike about this show, everything from being a series 1 fan and now being disinterested over other options because its just lost most of what I once loved about it, to them being far to interfering whether that be outside information going into the house in a multitude of ways or even their current preoccupation with preventing normal nominations or evictions from taking place. The shopping tasks aren't big enough anymore, the goal isn't stated before hand and one task every now and then feels lacking throughout the show its become a very small element.
For me id rather daily tasks to keep their mood up and a large weekend or over night task for the shopping budget.
The LF is still a very big issue for me, ok were getting use to its absence but the fact that I'm watching a show that is now entirely edited for storyline purposes and agendas is making me nostalgic for a big brother that has long since passed. I don't just want drama and tension, I want to see the housemates having fun also it can't just be one long tone throughout the shows duration. Even normal conversations are very revealing about each housemate, look at kav I feel on the LF we would've got a lot more from him and kp.
Ive moaned on here for a few series now how its been on a downward slope but I have to admit I'm at a point now where I literally don't feel the love anymore only the habit.

Its just really nothing like its original its come so far removed from that and I know it needs to adapt and change to a degree but its just got too far from its original concept now whether that be we decide, judging them on the 24/7 coverage, it being a reality based social experiment to see how people naturally interact and clash etc. Its just like you say their is more I dislike about this show now than I actually love, which is sad as bb is my favourite show on TV and has been since series 1. Helen being given a pass to her inevitable win, or the interference this series and the outside knowledge of the housemates has just been the final nails in the coffin for me personally.
Lucypher
06-02-2015
I think the most effective way of getting your complaints heard is to write to the head honcho. They'll hear about stuff that's written online but with their attention on the ratings I doubt they'll be too bothered.

I've really enjoyed this series of CBB. It's been car crash TV, the kind of show you watch through your fingers. The Perez v Hopkins debacle has really made the show, love it or hate it, the online forums have been buzzing like electric fences.

There's been a great mix of housemates, the good, the nasty, and the downright ugly. We've seen a plethora of game players, all trying to mask their devious little souls. I've never seen so many blatant game players, the 'I want to go home's and the nervous breakdowns.

If there's any criticism from me, it's the mucking about with nominations. And BBOTS being so subjective and biased. And unprofessional. The spin-off show is tacky and cheap. Perhaps there could be a nod to the intelligent viewer who watches Big Brother - we aren't all Primark - wearing chavs sharing a single brain cell. I'd like to see a move towards recognising the true nature of BB's viewers, that is, diverse, different, loyal and intelligent.

Thank you and goodnight.
RabidWolverine1
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“There's no down side to it. Why not?”

Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“I think the most effective way of getting your complaints heard is to write to the head honcho. They'll hear about stuff that's written online but with their attention on the ratings I doubt they'll be too bothered.

I've really enjoyed this series of CBB. It's been car crash TV, the kind of show you watch through your fingers. The Perez v Hopkins debacle has really made the show, love it or hate it, the online forums have been buzzing like electric fences.

There's been a great mix of housemates, the good, the nasty, and the downright ugly. We've seen a plethora of game players, all trying to mask their devious little souls. I've never seen so many blatant game players, the 'I want to go home's and the nervous breakdowns.

If there's any criticism from me, it's the mucking about with nominations. And BBOTS being so subjective and biased. And unprofessional. The spin-off show is tacky and cheap. Perhaps there could be a nod to the intelligent viewer who watches Big Brother - we aren't all Primark - wearing chavs sharing a single brain cell. I'd like to see a move towards recognising the true nature of BB's viewers, that is, diverse, different, loyal and intelligent.

Thank you and goodnight.”

Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I did once over something - can't for the life of me remember what now but it was to do with BB and I got a reply. Apparently loads of people had contacted OFCOM rather than the producers and they told me it was being looked at by them. They did reply though. I think if you do it may be worth adding some of the other valid comments on here if people don't mind - you can certainly add mine about Bedlam”

Okay then I will...in the morning probably

I will make sure to add in everybody elses.

Also thanks again for all the comments...Im gonna forward as much of this on as logically possible so it all helps. Thanks
jobielad
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Okay then I will...in the morning probably

I will make sure to add in everybody elses.

Also thanks again for all the comments...Im gonna forward as much of this on as logically possible so it all helps. Thanks ”

Great to hear. I wrote to them when I was passionate about BB. Can't be bothered nowadays so glad you still have your passion and good luck Just a final tip. If you really want to go big copy in the CEO of Viacom. His email is philippe.dauman@viacom.com as I read that if an email reaches the CEO of a company they have to reply. That's worked for me when fighting with big companies in Telecoms e.g. mobile phone problems and they do respond. Hope this helps
Lou17
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by digiqueen:
“Great post OP. Can I please add 'stop scraping the Z list barrel for housemates.' All we are getting now are professional reality contestants who know how to play to the cameras.”

Sad but true, but then again bb love performing monkeys they're generally not only more desperate for attention and fame but they come at a cheaper price for their participation.

Originally Posted by Melax:
“Haha. As if Endemol even care.”

That's the attitude that has gotten them to where they are right now, listing to their core fantasy from time to tome would go a long way, sadly there like petulant teenagers going the opposite direction simply to be awkward and prove a point.

Originally Posted by Sansa_Snow:
“Seconded

Also please bring back chalk board shopping lists. Please show housemates' conversations, not just the bitching and rows. Please get rid of the 'previously on...' and 'coming up'”

This! I think were all bored to the back teeth of all this drama alone, it needs to be multi dimensional, and the older elements of the show that were core features in the hl's seem to be considerably decreasing every series. The likes of normal nominations, the shopping list, rewards ie rooms and alcohol/partis only on the achievement of a task, the privacy elements with alliances in the house or during diary room discussion just seem to be disappearing.: confused: what's left?????? A number of strangers living together and being evicted????? Bare minimum then.

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I completely agree with the OP's complaints.

The only complaint I'd add is that the whole tone of the show is just plain nasty. It appeals to the worst instincts of its viewers. They have a sociopathic disregard for the wellbeing of the HMs and only care about protecting themselves from Ofcom sanctions. And they treat the audience with the same contempt, deliberating making choices that they know will wind us up but get everyone talking about the show and voting in droves.

I'm currently debating with myself about whether to make this my last series. I started feeling 'icky' during BB14 when the external influences became ludicrous, when Daley was given sympathy for basically assaulting a female HM, and when the 'victim' was allowed to be punished by viewers and then by BBOTS. The procession of unsavoury winners and runners up pretty much symbolise what the show is now about and the lowest common denominator audience it appeals to.”

I completely agree. Whether the nastiness is coming from the choices of the housemates, the producers and show pushing for an overall negative tone, or the fans demanding drama and tension its just dominating a one much loved all around show. Its too one dimensional now, they need to mix it up its becoming boring and it gets very stale after a week or two many struggle to stay with it until the end or care enough to vote. The interference is definitely something that's encouraging this constant negativity, even when its bad in there, they push it even further. The thing is about people from different walks of life is they will naturally always clash so why push them so hard? The mob outside don't help either its turned into a roman gladiator battle, theyre wanting the thumbs down every eviction..... how many housemates get supported now a days.....the fittie?????? Its embarrassing that we've slowed the show to become very cheap now a days, its like the townie/twitter generation have taken over and want something that they get from other reality shows what makes bb special is that I was different why ruin something by it following in line with other shows they favour?????? Such fans of bb will never be long term they're too fickle to stick around like us poor mugs.
My point is this new audience or rowing cynical audience are also to blame, as they seem to crave drama and controversy sadly and its direct the future of this series, which is killing it. thus in turn future housemates think these are the type of housemates the public want and will falsely play up to these character types to get further ahead in the game.

Originally Posted by AbbieJay:
“If you remember back to Big Brother 1, nothing much actually happened. Excitement was few and far between. It now has to be shocks and warnings about language, aggression etc 'from the beginning and throughout', which is a bit sad.”

Yet we all absolutely loved it, bb don't understand that getting to know the housemates all around ie their down conversations, fun moments, the LF etc all contribute to the fans personal involvement and investment into the show and that in turn results in increased profits as the fans backing particular housemates are more likely to be thoroughly engaged for the entire duration of the series. You could identify and relate more back then its just so badly edited today that you don't trust what you see whether that be the stories or the housemates true dispositions.: cry:
Lou17
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Okay then I will...in the morning probably

I will make sure to add in everybody elses.

Also thanks again for all the comments...Im gonna forward as much of this on as logically possible so it all helps. Thanks ”

Good luck with that I wish you all the best.

Sadly I spent an hour last year contacting them through the questionnaire on offer by big brother. Everyone seemed to point out on this forum their dislike for BBS interference but look at this year, its been more hands on then ever before. Unfortunately they just don't care about hard core fan opinions sadly.
jobielad
06-02-2015
Just in case you didn't see it before Op

Just a final tip. If you really want to go big copy in the CEO of Viacom. His email is philippe.dauman@viacom.com as I read that if an email reaches the CEO of a company they have to reply. That's worked for me when fighting with big companies in Telecoms e.g. when I have had mobile phone problems and they do respond. They may delegate the response but at least the man/woman at the top will hear you. Hope this helps
hisdogspot
06-02-2015
This is a great thread and I completely agree with the op and the general critique of the BB 'purists' who have watched the show from the start ( I'm one of them )

There's no way back now though ... too many boundaries have been broken and any attempt to restore the old order would be rejected out of hand by the Twitter-age 'new' viewers who watch this show for what it IS, rather than hanker for what it used to be

It really WAS all about Live Feed ... that's what made the revolutionary show of old unrecognisable from the semi-scripted, editorially lead charade we watch now

Big Brother stopped being Big Brother when 24 hour live coverage was axed ... the entire concept was thrown out at that point
Lucypher
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“This is a great thread and I completely agree with the op and the general critique of the BB 'purists' who have watched the show from the start ( I'm one of them ) h

There's no way back now though ... too many boundaries have been broken and any attempt to restore the old order would be rejected out of hand by the Twitter-age 'new' viewers who watch this show for what it IS, rather than hanker for what it used to be

It really WAS all about Live Feed ... that's what made the revolutionary show of old unrecognisable from the semi-scripted, editorially lead charade we watch now

Big Brother stopped being Big Brother when 24 hour live coverage was axed ... the entire concept was thrown out at that point”

I was worried somebody might bring up 'Live Feed'. If this all veers off in that direction, the constructive criticism of the show will be overlooked. 'It's just another whinge about Live Feed', said the CEO with his finger on the delete button.

I don't think it's generally recognised that few people watched every minute of Live Feed, or watched it at all. My job required me to work during the day and sleep at night - as I'm sure was the case for most viewers. However, we still enjoyed the show and got involved. Nowadays, with all the online options available, we're able to be heavily involved without having to endure hours of watching housemates sleep. Plus, housemates came to realise that they could hog airtime if they stayed up late so we'd get one-on-one bitch-fest's where the housemates would attempt to poison us against others in the house - not very subtly.

I think it would be great if all these comments were printed out and sent to the CEO, and copied to whomsoever needs to see them.

Hard copies are less easy to ignore.
RabidWolverine1
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“Just in case you didn't see it before Op

Just a final tip. If you really want to go big copy in the CEO of Viacom. His email is philippe.dauman@viacom.com as I read that if an email reaches the CEO of a company they have to reply. That's worked for me when fighting with big companies in Telecoms e.g. when I have had mobile phone problems and they do respond. They may delegate the response but at least the man/woman at the top will hear you. Hope this helps”

Thanks I will do that when I send it
Monty_Brewster
06-02-2015
Producers are laughing at these threads and the people who actually think they know how to make a show of this scale.
white tigress
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Edit - Okay I scrolled up and wrote this after writing out my admitted rant just to point out there is no real discernible order to this rant. Im just saying it as it comes to me. Im saying it because its got to a point where I need to vent this out and this is the forum to do it. I just figured it was better to just have one huge moan than a few different topics so here goes nothing...

(God Bless DS for allowing rants )

The Many Things Wrong With A Show I Once Loved

STOP USING YOUR SPIN OFF SHOW TO TELL ME WHO I SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. All throughout your Channel 4 years even when you had HM's who were complete and utter idiots and you could see that with your own eyes, you still remained neutral and indifferent to all of the housemates on BBLB and BBBM. You gave all of the housemates pretty much equal amounts of time of pro's and negative's until they were evicted. So stop telling me who has been on "an incredible journey" or who has been "undoubtedly a great housemate". You are paid to put on the show...not to tell people who they should be voting for as an acceptable winner. I don't care if you think people like Hopkins or Helen have gone on some kind of redemption jounrey...stop telling peopl they are a worthy winner.

That's not for you to decide... Thats for us to decide. Heck you even hired a Geordie Bloke 15 years ago to tell us that we decide. Or have you just now decided that maybe you don't like that part of the show.

You know these earth shattering twists that are going to "rock the house to its very core"...Ever plan on delivering on one of those promises? Its basic common sense that if you build something up so much...more often than not it will not live up to expectations. Especially when its a way to try and keep the "contraversial" housemates away from being nominated.

Tell you what you could do if you wanted a huge shock twist that would rock the house to its very core...Bare with me because this might seem a little out there. Have them go up the stairs to nominate in the Diary Room in secret...and then when they least expect it...Keep it secret . You do so many twists and turns to ensure that nominations are not a secret anymore...that its not a shock. I would be more shocked if you had normal nominations and people didn't find out who nominated them.

If you have 12-16 people living in a house where they can not escape from, conflict will naturally happen. You don't need to always play hidden clips showing the bitching (Especially when you only tend to show it to people likely to pick fights). You seem more than capable of picking housemates who just love to have an argument to begin with.

If you want an actual "game show" where anything coul happen and go anyway, stop doing tasks every week to tell them public perception. You might want to be able to control who gets nominated through these tasks but it literally leaves Zero element of suprise. Every time you do these tasks...I could tell you who will be up for eviction. We don't need Eamon Holmes, James Jordan & Jim Davidson going in and telling people what everyone thinks of them. We don't need you to read out negative tweets about people...they are not supposed to know that kind of thing.

Speaking of which...with your nominations. Can you just have a constant rule of what makes you up for eviction. If you don't want it as the two or more with the highest number of votes because you want more people up, fine but at least come up with a new rule you stick to. Like 2 Nominations or more and your up...don't change it on the fly so you can yet again control who is up for eviction.

You are supposed to be "Reality TV" or at least that is what you call yourself. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. So the more you interfere with the natural flow of things...is the less you actually are a "Reality" show. Right now I can barely tell the difference between yourselves and Made In Chelsea...well actually MIC is probably a little more high end at this point.

Your shopping tasks half the time I can't tell what actually qualifies for them passing the task. Sometimes you don't even give an answer to that yourself. For all we know your just sat there deciding whether you want to let them eat this week or not.

As for Live Feed...You know what I do want live feed, but I can live without it. The problem is you will never get away from people pointing out how much you interferre unless they can watch events unfold live themselves. If the cost is an issue to put it on TV then fine...Channel 4 successfully got paid live stream online. This has to be an easier option for you.

Even as it stands right now...you give us clips online for us to see to create "Exclusive as it happens content" and I get that, I really do. But to then only put half of the clip and in turn half of the story on the HL show is shooting yourself in the foot. I know HL shows are limited but if you are going to make the full clip available online and not put it in full on the HL show there will always be people pointing out how you are editing it in someones favour and you only have yourself to blame.

Most importantly and I Cant stress this enough...This rant is happening because I at one point loved this show. I watched Big Brother 1, I remember being captivated when Nasty Nick was ejected. I remember Brian Dowling breaking barriers when he first won, I remember when Kate became the first female winner. I remember when Nadia became the first TG winner. Ive enjoyed a hell of a lot of highs as a fan of Big Brother and defended it throuh a hell of a lot of lows...

The problem is the lows these days are by far outweighing the highs. Its getting harder and harder to justify to myself why I still watch this. Its completely unrecognizeable to the show I knew. I know you have to move with the times...but this is not Big Brother to me anymore.

I can't for 100% sure say im never going to watch this show again, because I still want to be a fan. But when BB is on at 9pm and I look and see a new BBC/ITV drama or maybe a comedy panel show on elsewhere...its getting a hell of a lot easier to choose them over Big Brother. The record button isn't even looking that appealing anymore.

I know you check these forums and will still probably not care in any way shape or form about this post but as someone who want's to be watching and supporting this show. Please remember...you had a much loved award winning show for a reason. It used to be something that people loved to talk about in work, school...anywhere. Now it is a walking definition of "Guilty Pleasure"...I don't know that many people who admit to watching this. Certainly not people who will admit to it in large groups.

Yeah so huge massive rant done for now

For anyone who has took the time to read...thanks very much.

Nathan ”

BEST Post EVER!! Says everything we true fans feel--BB has 'legs' without all this fakery and interference, nor all the vilest specimens of humanity in it. Just chuck a bunch of people in a confined space for a few weeks, deprived of their normal 'support systems'--food, friends, family--and great drama just evolves! This sausage-factory fake extreme stuff is boring and awful: not interested in observing these types, esp as CBB was a chance to see celebs unwittingly being Themselves. Agree 100% with this post!
Monty_Brewster
06-02-2015
Big Brother is not a reality show. It's an Entertainment show.
RabidWolverine1
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Producers are laughing at these threads and the people who actually think they know how to make a show of this scale.”

There in lies the problem

They don't seem to care
RabidWolverine1
06-02-2015
Does anyone know the E-Mail address the Endemol person im supposed to send it too?
Leathertrouser2
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Big Brother is not a reality show. It's an Entertainment show.”

It's a reality show dear. The shows description has not changed since it's inception in 1999. Whilst it comes across as entertainment, Endemol, Channel 5 & even Wikipedia call it a reality show and there in lies the problem for which I think Channel 5 have broken a rule as you are voting and parting with your money on the basis of things being spontaneous, it clearly isn't any more. If Channel 5 and Endemol came out and said "this show is now x....y....z" then it wouldn't be an issue, everyone would know where they stood. The reason you get posts such as these and many others is most viewers (usually the hardcore who have been watching since 2000) don't know where they stand.
Cranberryapple
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Edit - Okay I scrolled up and wrote this after writing out my admitted rant just to point out there is no real discernible order to this rant. Im just saying it as it comes to me. Im saying it because its got to a point where I need to vent this out and this is the forum to do it. I just figured it was better to just have one huge moan than a few different topics so here goes nothing...

(God Bless DS for allowing rants )

The Many Things Wrong With A Show I Once Loved

STOP USING YOUR SPIN OFF SHOW TO TELL ME WHO I SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. All throughout your Channel 4 years even when you had HM's who were complete and utter idiots and you could see that with your own eyes, you still remained neutral and indifferent to all of the housemates on BBLB and BBBM. You gave all of the housemates pretty much equal amounts of time of pro's and negative's until they were evicted. So stop telling me who has been on "an incredible journey" or who has been "undoubtedly a great housemate". You are paid to put on the show...not to tell people who they should be voting for as an acceptable winner. I don't care if you think people like Hopkins or Helen have gone on some kind of redemption jounrey...stop telling peopl they are a worthy winner.

That's not for you to decide... Thats for us to decide. Heck you even hired a Geordie Bloke 15 years ago to tell us that we decide. Or have you just now decided that maybe you don't like that part of the show.

You know these earth shattering twists that are going to "rock the house to its very core"...Ever plan on delivering on one of those promises? Its basic common sense that if you build something up so much...more often than not it will not live up to expectations. Especially when its a way to try and keep the "contraversial" housemates away from being nominated.

Tell you what you could do if you wanted a huge shock twist that would rock the house to its very core...Bare with me because this might seem a little out there. Have them go up the stairs to nominate in the Diary Room in secret...and then when they least expect it...Keep it secret . You do so many twists and turns to ensure that nominations are not a secret anymore...that its not a shock. I would be more shocked if you had normal nominations and people didn't find out who nominated them.

If you have 12-16 people living in a house where they can not escape from, conflict will naturally happen. You don't need to always play hidden clips showing the bitching (Especially when you only tend to show it to people likely to pick fights). You seem more than capable of picking housemates who just love to have an argument to begin with.

If you want an actual "game show" where anything coul happen and go anyway, stop doing tasks every week to tell them public perception. You might want to be able to control who gets nominated through these tasks but it literally leaves Zero element of suprise. Every time you do these tasks...I could tell you who will be up for eviction. We don't need Eamon Holmes, James Jordan & Jim Davidson going in and telling people what everyone thinks of them. We don't need you to read out negative tweets about people...they are not supposed to know that kind of thing.

Speaking of which...with your nominations. Can you just have a constant rule of what makes you up for eviction. If you don't want it as the two or more with the highest number of votes because you want more people up, fine but at least come up with a new rule you stick to. Like 2 Nominations or more and your up...don't change it on the fly so you can yet again control who is up for eviction.

You are supposed to be "Reality TV" or at least that is what you call yourself. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. So the more you interfere with the natural flow of things...is the less you actually are a "Reality" show. Right now I can barely tell the difference between yourselves and Made In Chelsea...well actually MIC is probably a little more high end at this point.

Your shopping tasks half the time I can't tell what actually qualifies for them passing the task. Sometimes you don't even give an answer to that yourself. For all we know your just sat there deciding whether you want to let them eat this week or not.

As for Live Feed...You know what I do want live feed, but I can live without it. The problem is you will never get away from people pointing out how much you interferre unless they can watch events unfold live themselves. If the cost is an issue to put it on TV then fine...Channel 4 successfully got paid live stream online. This has to be an easier option for you.

Even as it stands right now...you give us clips online for us to see to create "Exclusive as it happens content" and I get that, I really do. But to then only put half of the clip and in turn half of the story on the HL show is shooting yourself in the foot. I know HL shows are limited but if you are going to make the full clip available online and not put it in full on the HL show there will always be people pointing out how you are editing it in someones favour and you only have yourself to blame.

Most importantly and I Cant stress this enough...This rant is happening because I at one point loved this show. I watched Big Brother 1, I remember being captivated when Nasty Nick was ejected. I remember Brian Dowling breaking barriers when he first won, I remember when Kate became the first female winner. I remember when Nadia became the first TG winner. Ive enjoyed a hell of a lot of highs as a fan of Big Brother and defended it throuh a hell of a lot of lows...

The problem is the lows these days are by far outweighing the highs. Its getting harder and harder to justify to myself why I still watch this. Its completely unrecognizeable to the show I knew. I know you have to move with the times...but this is not Big Brother to me anymore.

I can't for 100% sure say im never going to watch this show again, because I still want to be a fan. But when BB is on at 9pm and I look and see a new BBC/ITV drama or maybe a comedy panel show on elsewhere...its getting a hell of a lot easier to choose them over Big Brother. The record button isn't even looking that appealing anymore.

I know you check these forums and will still probably not care in any way shape or form about this post but as someone who want's to be watching and supporting this show. Please remember...you had a much loved award winning show for a reason. It used to be something that people loved to talk about in work, school...anywhere. Now it is a walking definition of "Guilty Pleasure"...I don't know that many people who admit to watching this. Certainly not people who will admit to it in large groups.

Yeah so huge massive rant done for now

For anyone who has took the time to read...thanks very much.

Nathan ”

Originally Posted by Piipp:
“Well said. If you don't mind, I'd like to post here something which I just posted in another thread:

It's far too manipulated by the producers now. I haven't enjoyed the show since last January which says it all; it was one of the least interfered with series of the C5 era. They put the handcuffs on, shoved them in, and just went with it (for the most part).

Everyone uses the phrase 'back to basics.' I'm not sure that's entirely possible; however, C5 should allow one series to run through with as little interference from the producers as possible; at least do one series and see how it goes. The problem is that they're so scared of ratings sliding that they feel the need to constantly interfere with and manipulate the show. How about, for one series, we have these basic rules:
1) No contact with the outside world. Eviction announcements are to be held within a studio and the freezing of the vote lines and the whole, 'the first person safe in this vote is,' will be scrapped. (This whole thing is a huge gripe for me). Instead the housemates will simply be told who has been evicted.
2) Regular nominations occur each Monday. Nominations are kept secret, housemates are forbidden from discussing them, and producers cannot throw in any 'twists' to alter the nominations to save (or push out) any individual housemates.
3) No meddling from the producers; producers will not talk to the housemates, housemates will be addressed in the DR only by 'Big Brother' and no discussions will occur between housemates and anyone who is not a housemate in regards to anything within or outside of the house (ie, BB cannot tell housemates how to behave in certain situations).
4) No one is to enter the house apart from the housemates. No producers directing tasks, etc. Tasks etc will once again be instructed via sheets of paper which housemates will have to collect from the DR as was the case in the early years on C4. BB will do as little as possible to instruct, instead acting more as a referee.

It's the constant OBVIOUS interference from the producers, with stunts such as playing back nominations (in an attempt to artificially create tension) and constantly altering the nominations process (so that the producers can keep in the housemates they think are bringing in the viewers) which is destroying this show.”

Bloody brilliant.

Now get them sent to the producers....... immediately.
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