It did annoy me the other night on Bots when "Katie Hopkins is the nations sweetheart" was said 3 times in 1 show. I wouldn't mind it if the masses weren't sucked into this manipulation like jellyfish.
If Anyone From Endemol Is Actually Here, Please Read Cause I Want BB To Succeed!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Edit - Okay I scrolled up and wrote this after writing out my admitted rant just to point out there is no real discernible order to this rant. Im just saying it as it comes to me. Im saying it because its got to a point where I need to vent this out and this is the forum to do it. I just figured it was better to just have one huge moan than a few different topics so here goes nothing...
(God Bless DS for allowing rants
)
The Many Things Wrong With A Show I Once Loved
STOP USING YOUR SPIN OFF SHOW TO TELL ME WHO I SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. All throughout your Channel 4 years even when you had HM's who were complete and utter idiots and you could see that with your own eyes, you still remained neutral and indifferent to all of the housemates on BBLB and BBBM. You gave all of the housemates pretty much equal amounts of time of pro's and negative's until they were evicted. So stop telling me who has been on "an incredible journey" or who has been "undoubtedly a great housemate". You are paid to put on the show...not to tell people who they should be voting for as an acceptable winner. I don't care if you think people like Hopkins or Helen have gone on some kind of redemption jounrey...stop telling peopl they are a worthy winner.
That's not for you to decide... Thats for us to decide. Heck you even hired a Geordie Bloke 15 years ago to tell us that we decide. Or have you just now decided that maybe you don't like that part of the show.
You know these earth shattering twists that are going to "rock the house to its very core"...Ever plan on delivering on one of those promises? Its basic common sense that if you build something up so much...more often than not it will not live up to expectations. Especially when its a way to try and keep the "contraversial" housemates away from being nominated.
Tell you what you could do if you wanted a huge shock twist that would rock the house to its very core...Bare with me because this might seem a little out there. Have them go up the stairs to nominate in the Diary Room in secret...and then when they least expect it...Keep it secret
. You do so many twists and turns to ensure that nominations are not a secret anymore...that its not a shock. I would be more shocked if you had normal nominations and people didn't find out who nominated them.
If you have 12-16 people living in a house where they can not escape from, conflict will naturally happen. You don't need to always play hidden clips showing the bitching (Especially when you only tend to show it to people likely to pick fights). You seem more than capable of picking housemates who just love to have an argument to begin with.
If you want an actual "game show" where anything coul happen and go anyway, stop doing tasks every week to tell them public perception. You might want to be able to control who gets nominated through these tasks but it literally leaves Zero element of suprise. Every time you do these tasks...I could tell you who will be up for eviction. We don't need Eamon Holmes, James Jordan & Jim Davidson going in and telling people what everyone thinks of them. We don't need you to read out negative tweets about people...they are not supposed to know that kind of thing.
Speaking of which...with your nominations. Can you just have a constant rule of what makes you up for eviction. If you don't want it as the two or more with the highest number of votes because you want more people up, fine but at least come up with a new rule you stick to. Like 2 Nominations or more and your up...don't change it on the fly so you can yet again control who is up for eviction.
You are supposed to be "Reality TV" or at least that is what you call yourself. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. So the more you interfere with the natural flow of things...is the less you actually are a "Reality" show. Right now I can barely tell the difference between yourselves and Made In Chelsea...well actually MIC is probably a little more high end at this point.
Your shopping tasks half the time I can't tell what actually qualifies for them passing the task. Sometimes you don't even give an answer to that yourself. For all we know your just sat there deciding whether you want to let them eat this week or not.
As for Live Feed...You know what I do want live feed, but I can live without it. The problem is you will never get away from people pointing out how much you interferre unless they can watch events unfold live themselves. If the cost is an issue to put it on TV then fine...Channel 4 successfully got paid live stream online. This has to be an easier option for you.
Even as it stands right now...you give us clips online for us to see to create "Exclusive as it happens content" and I get that, I really do. But to then only put half of the clip and in turn half of the story on the HL show is shooting yourself in the foot. I know HL shows are limited but if you are going to make the full clip available online and not put it in full on the HL show there will always be people pointing out how you are editing it in someones favour and you only have yourself to blame.
Most importantly and I Cant stress this enough...This rant is happening because I at one point loved this show. I watched Big Brother 1, I remember being captivated when Nasty Nick was ejected. I remember Brian Dowling breaking barriers when he first won, I remember when Kate became the first female winner. I remember when Nadia became the first TG winner. Ive enjoyed a hell of a lot of highs as a fan of Big Brother and defended it throuh a hell of a lot of lows...
The problem is the lows these days are by far outweighing the highs. Its getting harder and harder to justify to myself why I still watch this. Its completely unrecognizeable to the show I knew. I know you have to move with the times...but this is not Big Brother to me anymore.
I can't for 100% sure say im never going to watch this show again, because I still want to be a fan. But when BB is on at 9pm and I look and see a new BBC/ITV drama or maybe a comedy panel show on elsewhere...its getting a hell of a lot easier to choose them over Big Brother. The record button isn't even looking that appealing anymore.
I know you check these forums and will still probably not care in any way shape or form about this post but as someone who want's to be watching and supporting this show. Please remember...you had a much loved award winning show for a reason. It used to be something that people loved to talk about in work, school...anywhere. Now it is a walking definition of "Guilty Pleasure"...I don't know that many people who admit to watching this. Certainly not people who will admit to it in large groups.
Yeah so huge massive rant done for now
For anyone who has took the time to read...thanks very much.
Nathan”
“Edit - Okay I scrolled up and wrote this after writing out my admitted rant just to point out there is no real discernible order to this rant. Im just saying it as it comes to me. Im saying it because its got to a point where I need to vent this out and this is the forum to do it. I just figured it was better to just have one huge moan than a few different topics so here goes nothing...
(God Bless DS for allowing rants
)The Many Things Wrong With A Show I Once Loved
STOP USING YOUR SPIN OFF SHOW TO TELL ME WHO I SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. All throughout your Channel 4 years even when you had HM's who were complete and utter idiots and you could see that with your own eyes, you still remained neutral and indifferent to all of the housemates on BBLB and BBBM. You gave all of the housemates pretty much equal amounts of time of pro's and negative's until they were evicted. So stop telling me who has been on "an incredible journey" or who has been "undoubtedly a great housemate". You are paid to put on the show...not to tell people who they should be voting for as an acceptable winner. I don't care if you think people like Hopkins or Helen have gone on some kind of redemption jounrey...stop telling peopl they are a worthy winner.
That's not for you to decide... Thats for us to decide. Heck you even hired a Geordie Bloke 15 years ago to tell us that we decide. Or have you just now decided that maybe you don't like that part of the show.
You know these earth shattering twists that are going to "rock the house to its very core"...Ever plan on delivering on one of those promises? Its basic common sense that if you build something up so much...more often than not it will not live up to expectations. Especially when its a way to try and keep the "contraversial" housemates away from being nominated.
Tell you what you could do if you wanted a huge shock twist that would rock the house to its very core...Bare with me because this might seem a little out there. Have them go up the stairs to nominate in the Diary Room in secret...and then when they least expect it...Keep it secret
. You do so many twists and turns to ensure that nominations are not a secret anymore...that its not a shock. I would be more shocked if you had normal nominations and people didn't find out who nominated them.If you have 12-16 people living in a house where they can not escape from, conflict will naturally happen. You don't need to always play hidden clips showing the bitching (Especially when you only tend to show it to people likely to pick fights). You seem more than capable of picking housemates who just love to have an argument to begin with.
If you want an actual "game show" where anything coul happen and go anyway, stop doing tasks every week to tell them public perception. You might want to be able to control who gets nominated through these tasks but it literally leaves Zero element of suprise. Every time you do these tasks...I could tell you who will be up for eviction. We don't need Eamon Holmes, James Jordan & Jim Davidson going in and telling people what everyone thinks of them. We don't need you to read out negative tweets about people...they are not supposed to know that kind of thing.
Speaking of which...with your nominations. Can you just have a constant rule of what makes you up for eviction. If you don't want it as the two or more with the highest number of votes because you want more people up, fine but at least come up with a new rule you stick to. Like 2 Nominations or more and your up...don't change it on the fly so you can yet again control who is up for eviction.
You are supposed to be "Reality TV" or at least that is what you call yourself. Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. So the more you interfere with the natural flow of things...is the less you actually are a "Reality" show. Right now I can barely tell the difference between yourselves and Made In Chelsea...well actually MIC is probably a little more high end at this point.
Your shopping tasks half the time I can't tell what actually qualifies for them passing the task. Sometimes you don't even give an answer to that yourself. For all we know your just sat there deciding whether you want to let them eat this week or not.
As for Live Feed...You know what I do want live feed, but I can live without it. The problem is you will never get away from people pointing out how much you interferre unless they can watch events unfold live themselves. If the cost is an issue to put it on TV then fine...Channel 4 successfully got paid live stream online. This has to be an easier option for you.
Even as it stands right now...you give us clips online for us to see to create "Exclusive as it happens content" and I get that, I really do. But to then only put half of the clip and in turn half of the story on the HL show is shooting yourself in the foot. I know HL shows are limited but if you are going to make the full clip available online and not put it in full on the HL show there will always be people pointing out how you are editing it in someones favour and you only have yourself to blame.
Most importantly and I Cant stress this enough...This rant is happening because I at one point loved this show. I watched Big Brother 1, I remember being captivated when Nasty Nick was ejected. I remember Brian Dowling breaking barriers when he first won, I remember when Kate became the first female winner. I remember when Nadia became the first TG winner. Ive enjoyed a hell of a lot of highs as a fan of Big Brother and defended it throuh a hell of a lot of lows...
The problem is the lows these days are by far outweighing the highs. Its getting harder and harder to justify to myself why I still watch this. Its completely unrecognizeable to the show I knew. I know you have to move with the times...but this is not Big Brother to me anymore.
I can't for 100% sure say im never going to watch this show again, because I still want to be a fan. But when BB is on at 9pm and I look and see a new BBC/ITV drama or maybe a comedy panel show on elsewhere...its getting a hell of a lot easier to choose them over Big Brother. The record button isn't even looking that appealing anymore.
I know you check these forums and will still probably not care in any way shape or form about this post but as someone who want's to be watching and supporting this show. Please remember...you had a much loved award winning show for a reason. It used to be something that people loved to talk about in work, school...anywhere. Now it is a walking definition of "Guilty Pleasure"...I don't know that many people who admit to watching this. Certainly not people who will admit to it in large groups.
Yeah so huge massive rant done for now
For anyone who has took the time to read...thanks very much.
Nathan
”
i dont know how much time you wasted on that insightful post, but thats exactly what it has been, WASTED.
i agree with pretty much all you have said, but this is all the sort of stuff thousands of fans were grumbling about throughout the summer.
they even did a survey which gave fans the opportunity to make all these points, and the viewers did make these points. and did channel 5 listen? NO are they likely to listen NO.
the fact is the producers of this show are incompetent, and thats putting it politely.
all the negatives throughout the past couple of years have been down to the producers and not the cast or flow of the show.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I completely agree with the OP's complaints.
The only complaint I'd add is that the whole tone of the show is just plain nasty. It appeals to the worst instincts of its viewers. They have a sociopathic disregard for the wellbeing of the HMs and only care about protecting themselves from Ofcom sanctions. And they treat the audience with the same contempt, deliberating making choices that they know will wind us up but get everyone talking about the show and voting in droves.
I'm currently debating with myself about whether to make this my last series. I started feeling 'icky' during BB14 when the external influences became ludicrous, when Daley was given sympathy for basically assaulting a female HM, and when the 'victim' was allowed to be punished by viewers and then by BBOTS. The procession of unsavoury winners and runners up pretty much symbolise what the show is now about and the lowest common denominator audience it appeals to.”
“I completely agree with the OP's complaints.
The only complaint I'd add is that the whole tone of the show is just plain nasty. It appeals to the worst instincts of its viewers. They have a sociopathic disregard for the wellbeing of the HMs and only care about protecting themselves from Ofcom sanctions. And they treat the audience with the same contempt, deliberating making choices that they know will wind us up but get everyone talking about the show and voting in droves.
I'm currently debating with myself about whether to make this my last series. I started feeling 'icky' during BB14 when the external influences became ludicrous, when Daley was given sympathy for basically assaulting a female HM, and when the 'victim' was allowed to be punished by viewers and then by BBOTS. The procession of unsavoury winners and runners up pretty much symbolise what the show is now about and the lowest common denominator audience it appeals to.”
It has gone nasty in recent years, and I know what you mean about maybe not watching in future. I have made a point of not watching some BB and CBB series, and maybe that will become more in future.
The trouble is, I am still slightly addicted to it, and I would have missed seeing Perez in all his man child glory, and that would have been kind of a shame. It's a guilty pleasure really..
I didn't watch the CBB before this one and I didn't miss it, so maybe that is the point...if you don't see something can you ever regret not seeing it?
It's not just the main show anymore, BOTS has been dire this series and the behaviour towards Perez both on last nights highlights and his eviction night BOTS was absolutely disgusting and beyond contempt.
Sadly, I don't see a brighter future for BB, as now we are firmly entrenched in reality shows the bar will be lowered in the name of 'entertainment' and our moral compass will become skewed even more..
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Producers are laughing at these threads and the people who actually think they know how to make a show of this scale.”
“Producers are laughing at these threads and the people who actually think they know how to make a show of this scale.”
I don't get your point, everything suggested here would simplify the production?
Great post Nathan. I would add NO SECRET ROOMS where housemates get to watch the others.
No tasks where one housemate gets half the prize money.
No housemate being given a pass to the final ora perpetual nomination for eviction.
Apologies if these points have already been stated.
No tasks where one housemate gets half the prize money.
No housemate being given a pass to the final ora perpetual nomination for eviction.
Apologies if these points have already been stated.
Originally Posted by AbbieJay:
“If you remember back to Big Brother 1, nothing much actually happened. Excitement was few and far between. It now has to be shocks and warnings about language, aggression etc 'from the beginning and throughout', which is a bit sad.”
“If you remember back to Big Brother 1, nothing much actually happened. Excitement was few and far between. It now has to be shocks and warnings about language, aggression etc 'from the beginning and throughout', which is a bit sad.”
It was a new concept in reality TV and it pulled in the viewers so it couldn't have been that unexciting! I loved it and have watched every year since. The producers have made BB into a totally different programme and I for one don't like what we are being given.
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Erm no I haven't yet
Interesting idea...should I?”
“Erm no I haven't yet
Interesting idea...should I?”
Yes and you can add my name to it if you wish. Also send them a link to this thread
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Big Brother is not a reality show. It's an Entertainment show.”
“Big Brother is not a reality show. It's an Entertainment show.”
That's the crux of the matter though.
Big Brother is SUPPOSED to be a Reality Show.
Over they years and more so after the change over to Channel 5, Big Brother has become a shadow of itself.
The producers keep up the pretence that it is still a Reality Show when quite clearly it's not.
Most people would prefer that it went back to what it was intended to be.
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Does anyone know the E-Mail address the Endemol person im supposed to send it too?”
“Does anyone know the E-Mail address the Endemol person im supposed to send it too?”
Just giving this particular post a bump because im at a work computer and some particular websites are blocked off.
Also I can't keep saying this enough but thanks for all the kind words coming through.
When I do e-mail I'll link them direct to this thread so you can all be heard
Well put OP!! I agree with every thing you said.
I have also been a fan from series one and I honestly don't recognise this show any more. Why on earth did Channel 5 publish that viewer survey last year when they had no intention of changing a thing?
Also, it's one thing HMs bullying each other, but when producers do it themselves via BOTS and external house guests, it's really gone too far. Allowing your guests to call any HM a vile human being or likening them to a serial killer is not on - that goes for any HM whether I like them or not. Fairness and balance have well and truly gone out the window at this stage.
Good luck with your letter OP. I really hope the producers take note and not ignore real fans like they did after that farce of a survey last year. Things really need to change and soon.
I have also been a fan from series one and I honestly don't recognise this show any more. Why on earth did Channel 5 publish that viewer survey last year when they had no intention of changing a thing?
Also, it's one thing HMs bullying each other, but when producers do it themselves via BOTS and external house guests, it's really gone too far. Allowing your guests to call any HM a vile human being or likening them to a serial killer is not on - that goes for any HM whether I like them or not. Fairness and balance have well and truly gone out the window at this stage.
Good luck with your letter OP. I really hope the producers take note and not ignore real fans like they did after that farce of a survey last year. Things really need to change and soon.
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Just giving this particular post a bump because im at a work computer and some particular websites are blocked off.
Also I can't keep saying this enough but thanks for all the kind words coming through.
When I do e-mail I'll link them direct to this thread so you can all be heard”
“Just giving this particular post a bump because im at a work computer and some particular websites are blocked off.
Also I can't keep saying this enough but thanks for all the kind words coming through.
When I do e-mail I'll link them direct to this thread so you can all be heard
”
Not sure about Endemol, but Alison Saddington is head of Channel 5's Factual entertainment, features, entertainment and sport programming. No harm in sending an e-mail her way
http://about.channel5.com/programme-...ement/contacts
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Not sure about Endemol, but Alison Saddington is head of Channel 5's Factual entertainment, features, entertainment and sport programming. No harm in sending an e-mail her way
http://about.channel5.com/programme-...ement/contacts”
“Not sure about Endemol, but Alison Saddington is head of Channel 5's Factual entertainment, features, entertainment and sport programming. No harm in sending an e-mail her way
http://about.channel5.com/programme-...ement/contacts”
Thanks
Great thread OP and good points well made I have watched every series since the beginning even though the last few have not held my attention as much as before.
I finally stopped watching this week! I feel lighter already Still enjoy reading the forum though as I have a great laugh at some of the posts/threads
I have watched every series since the beginning even though the last few have not held my attention as much as before.I finally stopped watching this week! I feel lighter already
Still enjoy reading the forum though as I have a great laugh at some of the posts/threads
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“Excellent post Nathan, have you copied and emailed it to the production team c/o the website yet? Just an idea”
“Excellent post Nathan, have you copied and emailed it to the production team c/o the website yet? Just an idea”
I was just going to post the same.
Originally Posted by dog_eat_dog:
“Not sure about Endemol, but Alison Saddington is head of Channel 5's Factual entertainment, features, entertainment and sport programming. No harm in sending an e-mail her way
http://about.channel5.com/programme-...ement/contacts”
“Not sure about Endemol, but Alison Saddington is head of Channel 5's Factual entertainment, features, entertainment and sport programming. No harm in sending an e-mail her way
http://about.channel5.com/programme-...ement/contacts”
All of her Big Brother emails will get removed before she gets to them by silly CBB production team.
Great thread, I totally agree.
The Gary Busey CBB was the first BB I have missed since the first series. Why? Because I couldn't bring myself to watch after the Helen fiasco of the civi BB. The manipulation and biased editing was truly awful. BBBOTS was awful too, telling people who to like, rigging the panel. Shocking.
I remember being glued to the early series, it doesn't have to be screaming obscenities 24/7, watching subtle crafty behaviours can be fascinating, it doesn't have to be screaming in people's faces.
I would love them to take note.
The Gary Busey CBB was the first BB I have missed since the first series. Why? Because I couldn't bring myself to watch after the Helen fiasco of the civi BB. The manipulation and biased editing was truly awful. BBBOTS was awful too, telling people who to like, rigging the panel. Shocking.
I remember being glued to the early series, it doesn't have to be screaming obscenities 24/7, watching subtle crafty behaviours can be fascinating, it doesn't have to be screaming in people's faces.
I would love them to take note.
Originally Posted by **JennaJ**:
“That's the crux of the matter though.
Big Brother is SUPPOSED to be a Reality Show.
Over they years and more so after the change over to Channel 5, Big Brother has become a shadow of itself.
The producers keep up the pretence that it is still a Reality Show when quite clearly it's not.
Most people would prefer that it went back to what it was intended to be.”
“That's the crux of the matter though.
Big Brother is SUPPOSED to be a Reality Show.
Over they years and more so after the change over to Channel 5, Big Brother has become a shadow of itself.
The producers keep up the pretence that it is still a Reality Show when quite clearly it's not.
Most people would prefer that it went back to what it was intended to be.”
Unfortunately the original selling point of Big Brother - that events would unfold live on TV adds an element of danger - that what viewers see is just a little bit out of the producers' control e.g. fight night. There is also the danger that there won't be any controversy all and that viewers will get bored, so it's understandable that over the years the producers have started to exert more control, but sadly this has destroyed the initial appeal and now we have a show which is just a shadow of itself, and really has no appeal other than sex and rows.
It's not surprising that we don't have livefeed anymore given some of the revelations we've had lately. I would be extremely interested to see full coverage of what actually goes on - the manipulation would make a show in itself. I suspect that Perez's interactions with the producers had more entertainment value that the stuff we have actually been allowed to see
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“The e-mail has been sent by the way...thanks for all the support”
“The e-mail has been sent by the way...thanks for all the support
”
Good Luck - it was a great OP and said a lot of things that needed to be said. I believe that a lot of people agree with you and thank you for articulating it so well.
I do have an idea for moving forward. I think there is now scope for 2 BB shows. The TOWIE BB that we now have is not going away. There is a audience and an appetite for it, maybe not so much from all us old timers but it certainly exists. But I do think that there is enough support out there to see an old style traditional BB as well as the TOWIE edition we now have. So why not have both.
I do however think it would be difficult to recreate the old style BB as people as so much more savvy to the media aspects (and money making aspects) that would make recruiting decent interesting housemates a bit tricky. So if traditional BB was to make a return it would probably have to shed the BB name and start small. Maybe as an on-line experiment. I do think if publicised the right way then enough people would pay a subscription to make it viable.
Maybe I am whistling in the wind here - but why not try.
One other point - Live Feed.
Now I agree that this thread should not be just about live feed and the ongoing grumbling about the lack of live feed does tend to overshadow the multiple other complaints that are affecting BB as it stands today. But the one thing that Live Feed brings to the whole process is TRUST. I like many others do wonder these days about scripting and this is not helped by the house-mates strange tendency to all sit about in semi circles facing the camera awaiting a stilted opening line to start a 'scene'.
Now if we had live feed maybe that perception I have that the production people spend a great deal of time in the house setting up scenes would diminish a bit.
Maybe it wouldn't - but you know, just saying like
Originally Posted by devizesd:
“Good Luck - it was a great OP and said a lot of things that needed to be said. I believe that a lot of people agree with you and thank you for articulating it so well.
I do have an idea for moving forward. I think there is now scope for 2 BB shows. The TOWIE BB that we now have is not going away. There is a audience and an appetite for it, maybe not so much from all us old timers but it certainly exists. But I do think that there is enough support out there to see an old style traditional BB as well as the TOWIE edition we now have. So why not have both.
I do however think it would be difficult to recreate the old style BB as people as so much more savvy to the media aspects (and money making aspects) that would make recruiting decent interesting housemates a bit tricky. So if traditional BB was to make a return it would probably have to shed the BB name and start small. Maybe as an on-line experiment. I do think if publicised the right way then enough people would pay a subscription to make it viable.
Maybe I am whistling in the wind here - but why not try.
One other point - Live Feed.
Now I agree that this thread should not be just about live feed and the ongoing grumbling about the lack of live feed does tend to overshadow the multiple other complaints that are affecting BB as it stands today. But the one thing that Live Feed brings to the whole process is TRUST. I like many others do wonder these days about scripting and this is not helped by the house-mates strange tendency to all sit about in semi circles facing the camera awaiting a stilted opening line to start a 'scene'.
Now if we had live feed maybe that perception I have that the production people spend a great deal of time in the house setting up scenes would diminish a bit.
Maybe it wouldn't - but you know, just saying like”
“Good Luck - it was a great OP and said a lot of things that needed to be said. I believe that a lot of people agree with you and thank you for articulating it so well.
I do have an idea for moving forward. I think there is now scope for 2 BB shows. The TOWIE BB that we now have is not going away. There is a audience and an appetite for it, maybe not so much from all us old timers but it certainly exists. But I do think that there is enough support out there to see an old style traditional BB as well as the TOWIE edition we now have. So why not have both.
I do however think it would be difficult to recreate the old style BB as people as so much more savvy to the media aspects (and money making aspects) that would make recruiting decent interesting housemates a bit tricky. So if traditional BB was to make a return it would probably have to shed the BB name and start small. Maybe as an on-line experiment. I do think if publicised the right way then enough people would pay a subscription to make it viable.
Maybe I am whistling in the wind here - but why not try.
One other point - Live Feed.
Now I agree that this thread should not be just about live feed and the ongoing grumbling about the lack of live feed does tend to overshadow the multiple other complaints that are affecting BB as it stands today. But the one thing that Live Feed brings to the whole process is TRUST. I like many others do wonder these days about scripting and this is not helped by the house-mates strange tendency to all sit about in semi circles facing the camera awaiting a stilted opening line to start a 'scene'.
Now if we had live feed maybe that perception I have that the production people spend a great deal of time in the house setting up scenes would diminish a bit.
Maybe it wouldn't - but you know, just saying like
”
Thanks and great post yourself
I like the idea, they pay more for the "Celebrities" so give them the TOWIE manufactured version if they insist on doing it.
Leave the 10 week civillian series to how things used to be
Bloody hell, I need a life!!!! Just read everything that's been posted. So gratifying to read almost everyone feels the same. Thanks Wolverine for taking the time to write . One extra thing that is one of my moans - I used to love all the endurance shopping tasks(Nadia in her combats begging for ciggies springs to mind) but I really think that one of the reasons we don't get these all night tasks is that the cameras are not on all of the time. I have heard quite a few HM's say that some of them only come alive " when the cameras are on"......... Thanks again-fantastic!!!
Originally Posted by philbert123:
“Bloody hell, I need a life!!!! Just read everything that's been posted. So gratifying to read almost everyone feels the same. Thanks Wolverine for taking the time to write . One extra thing that is one of my moans - I used to love all the endurance shopping tasks(Nadia in her combats begging for ciggies springs to mind) but I really think that one of the reasons we don't get these all night tasks is that the cameras are not on all of the time. I have heard quite a few HM's say that some of them only come alive " when the cameras are on"......... Thanks again-fantastic!!!”
“Bloody hell, I need a life!!!! Just read everything that's been posted. So gratifying to read almost everyone feels the same. Thanks Wolverine for taking the time to write . One extra thing that is one of my moans - I used to love all the endurance shopping tasks(Nadia in her combats begging for ciggies springs to mind) but I really think that one of the reasons we don't get these all night tasks is that the cameras are not on all of the time. I have heard quite a few HM's say that some of them only come alive " when the cameras are on"......... Thanks again-fantastic!!!”
Ahhh yes very good point.
One of the few highlights actually for me from BB8 was the no sleep endurance task.
BB6 with the under a box task.
Some classics there...
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