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Perez being blamed for Alex leaving, BB's revenge???
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mmpfb
06-02-2015
It amazes me that people are still peddling the line that Perez drove Alex into cute, cuddly homophobia and it amazes me I still seemingly have to keep posting this clip to remind people what happened *BEFORE* the blowing kisses etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0

I'm of the opinion now that people are simply refusing to see it. As if I held their own hand in front of their face and they said 'Nope. Don't know what that is. Never seen it before'
bootyache
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“It amazes me that people are still peddling the line that Perez drove Alex into cute, cuddly homophobia and it amazes me I still seemingly have to keep posting this clip to remind people what happened *BEFORE* the blowing kisses etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0

I'm of the opinion now that people are simply refusing to see it. As if I held their own hand in front of their face and they said 'Nope. Don't know what that is. Never seen it before'”


Well, it's obvious Alex lost it. It's rather sad to see him so worked up. I don't think he should have behaved like that.

It's all these contexts we are missing because of BB's manipulations of the show. It's very difficult to form proper opinions in my view. BB could destroy a person with these highlights where viewers can't really understand what is at the heart of these conflicts.

I would imagine that Perez has reacted in a very big way to other H/Ms treatment of him and a innocent party could well suffer as a result. We don't really know what caused Alex to get so upset in the first place. I should imagine Perez with some of his antics was a defence mechanism to cope.

It's not been a very nice CBB.
Purple.
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by kirbyreed:
“I'm pretty sure, going by the housmates comments, that Perez would goad Alex into a reaction and then go into the diary room with the rule book saying how he 'feared for his safety'. Then he would probably say that he wanted to leave knowing full well that the producer's would do anything for him to stay, including kicking out Alex. As we weren't shown him ask to leave and he left a goodbye message, none of which has ever happened before, I expect that Big Brother and Alex came to some sort of agreement where he would leave the house so Perez could stay but also receive his full fee. That's my take anyway.”

That's what I think as well.
Hazellou
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“It amazes me that people are still peddling the line that Perez drove Alex into cute, cuddly homophobia and it amazes me I still seemingly have to keep posting this clip to remind people what happened *BEFORE* the blowing kisses etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0

I'm of the opinion now that people are simply refusing to see it. As if I held their own hand in front of their face and they said 'Nope. Don't know what that is. Never seen it before'”

I thought Perez was awful when he started coughing and waking people up, but that was so uncalled for from Alex, it was really disturbing to watch in fact. Perez is irritating at times but that doesn't call for that level of aggression, whilst Alex wasn't up in Perezs face or anything tthe aggressive and threatening tone and stance was there for sure and Perez genuinely looked heartbroken and frightened.
bootyache
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mitacond:
“Unfortunately for them most did not see it as being clever but something far more, seemingly, perverse. I was amazed that Eamonn lowered himself to even take part as the whole thing was inimical. Last night on BOTs BB seemed to be backtracking after so many were aghast at treatment Perez received on the Wednesday BBOTs when Perez asked were his rabbit Mr. Buns Rylan said he was dead and they had thrown Mr. Buns away. They presented him with the china rabbit with a bandage over his head. ”



Yes, I agree.

I'll never forget on breakfast tv David Blaine spooked Eamonn with a drawing on his hand of an eye.
Eurostar
06-02-2015
It's very suspicious that Alex's final every Diary Room visit was never shown, unprecedented in fact. Did BB ask him to leave the house in reality?
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“It's very suspicious that Alex's final every Diary Room visit was never shown, unprecedented in fact. Did BB ask him to leave the house in reality?”

I imagine they discussed the situation with Perez, Alex's inability to keep a lid on his bubbling homophobia, and decided mutually that it was best that he left while keeping his fee.

It was better for the ratings and it was better for Alex's reputation.
Eurostar
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“I imagine they discussed the situation with Perez, Alex's inability to keep a lid on his bubbling homophobia, and decided mutually that it was best that he left while keeping his fee.

It was better for the ratings and it was better for Alex's reputation.”

I suspect they were afraid Alex was about to deck Perez and this was the real reason. That still doesn't reflect too well on Alex either though : none of the other HMs resorted to physical violence against Perez.
mmpfb
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I suspect they were afraid Alex was about to deck Perez and this was the real reason. That still doesn't reflect too well on Alex either though : none of the other HMs resorted to physical violence against Perez.”

Well that too. Alex was clearly brewing and it wasn't all about Perez waking him up with coughing.
planets
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Alex wasn't 'homophobic',- that's just a myth started by Perez fans.

There was Perez, on live feed one night, bragging that he was going to keep Alex awake by coughing next to his bed. Next morning at 5 am, Perez was filmed.standing at the head of Alex's bed, coughing. According to CBB news online, Perez stood there for a few hours, coughing. He followed this up by blowing kisses and grinning in a leering way, interspersed by poking his tongue backwards and forwards between the rabbit's ears, while leering at Alex. This continued for hours. Alex eventually snapped, saying "stop making those silly-ass faggotty faces at me'. He was referring to the faces Perez was making.

The next day Perez continued goading the old guy. He went and stood over Alex's food, breathing heavily on to it. It was a ploy, he was hoping Alex would say something AIDS related.

Alex didn't bite in that particular way, but he did say something like 'don't breathe over my food' which then led to an exchange of words. Alex went to the Diary Room, physically shaking, saying he couldn't cope, that he felt uncomfortable in every corner of the house. "There's not a corner of the house I feel safe in."

Eventually it got too much and Alex left. Perez laughed. The housemates, apart from Nadia, were upset and angry.

For the umpteenth time, this is the main reason the housemates turned on Perez.”

For the umpteenth time - after the amount of times people have explained the chronology and posted the vts and information that don't fit in with your version of events i can only imagine you are deliberately ignoring facts to wind people up now.

When you look at the vt it is Nadia standing over the food leaning over looking into the pot while she stirs it.....perez is standing ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COOKER nowhere near the food quietly chatting to Nadia whilst dressed as a fairy. Alexander on the other side of the kitchen didn't mind Nadia "breathing all in my food". He worked himself up into a wheezy frenzy after saying he'd catch "bird flu or something" from Perez breathing he said if this was the states he'd "boom boombam" said whilst miming shooting a gun. Now Alexandra got thrown out the BB house for doing that a few years back member i told ya? Then we had Alex's rant about "I will get in your ass. I will get in your ass sonny. Get some son. You want some, son? Get some son" whilst holding his crotch, during which Perez walked away without speaking whilst Alex ranted on, he worked himself up into such a state he couldn't breath properly and you hear him loudly wheezing as he goes out to the garden to eff and jeff out there.

Homophobic comments and saying he'd shoot him (which a previous HM had been ejected for doing) put this together with this bit of info which everyone conveniently forgets:

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“No he wouldn't - he had gigs to perform last weekend - it was always his plan to be out early.

On the first eviction interview Chloe said Alex was gutted not to have been voted out and that she thought he would walk.

We see very little of what goes on in that house. We only see what fits in to make up the planned narrative. Perez's actions did seem a bit bizzarre and out of the blue at times - obviously they did because we didn't see what had led up to it.

On the little we did see I saw a very intolerant, angry man allowing himself to get into a state. The fact we didn't see what happened in the diary room speaks all.

When we saw him on BOTS he was an incoherent shambolic mess. Pretty obvious that the guy has problems. Perez is/was immature and a major irritant - I think that's pretty par for the course in BB - Alex just couldn't hack it and never had any intention of doing so.”

and that's why ALex left.

Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“It amazes me that people are still peddling the line that Perez drove Alex into cute, cuddly homophobia and it amazes me I still seemingly have to keep posting this clip to remind people what happened *BEFORE* the blowing kisses etc.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3f84tfvs0...hobia.mov?dl=0

I'm of the opinion now that people are simply refusing to see it. As if I held their own hand in front of their face and they said 'Nope. Don't know what that is. Never seen it before'”

It's like Derren Brown trained up Katie Hopkins before she went in the house and everyone believes her unreliable narration. Katie H says Perez got three people thrown out so everyone believes it even though they KNOW Jeremy was removed for the dressing gown/boob incident and Ken was ejected for Offence Bingo Full House where he managed to commit every "ism" going.....so why do people persist in repeating inaccuracies and calling it a "myth made up by Perez Fans"? I'm not even a Perez fan i'm just sick of seeing people perpetrating the Katie Hopkins Narrative Fiction Version.
open heart
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“I get the impression not everything was shown regarding Perez/Alex... Not based on what everyone who was there is saying... We saw snippets, we saw Perez following him around, sitting down opposite him and just STARING at him silently, then following him when he tried to move and doing the same again... Getting up in the middle of the night, walking over to his bed and coughing repeatedly... All that Shabaz. It seemed a bit relentless, I wonder if it just went on and on and on?

And does anyone know how it started? I genuinely can't remember. Presumably Alex did something to make Perez start doing this?”

You've got that wrong - watch yesterday's Loose Women - Perez explains the context. It actually had nothing to do with Alexander. Alex's bed by the exit door, where Perez was waiting to be let out.

What it does show is the power of editing. They joined a lot of unconnected incidents and got themselves a story line. Frightening stuff!
Starlet
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by purplesky99:
“Good point. For me, Perez has been the fall guy and whipping boy of the house. He doesn't help himself with the way he speaks to people (or at them sometimes) but he is not the devil incarnate he is made out to be.

Cracking housemate and made the series, uncomfortable viewing at times watching others sideline him, but it was compulsive viewing.

Now he's gone it just ain't the same no more honey..”

This I agree with completely - I think Katie, Cami and Michelle have got away with a lot of their disgusting beaviour because of who thier target was - someone seen as equally or more unpleasant by most. Had it been more on Alicia or Keith (both of whom were targetted at stages, but most of the hate always came back to Perez) I think (and hope!!) most people would be calling them out as the nasty people they are rather than supporting them.
Penny Crayon
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by open heart:
“You've got that wrong - watch yesterday's Loose Women - Perez explains the context. It actually had nothing to do with Alexander. Alex's bed by the exit door, where Perez was waiting to be let out.

What it does show is the power of editing. They joined a lot of unconnected incidents and got themselves a story line. Frightening stuff!”

I know

I suspect this is what they've always done - in this instance it really is rather despicable though as they have dumped a whole lot of irrational spite and hatred on an individual and clearly traumatised him.
Monty_Brewster
06-02-2015
The dates for Alexander's tour were book months ago and BB only extended in December. Alex would have been prepared to stay the whole time.
bootyache
06-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I know

I suspect this is what they've always done - in this instance it really is rather despicable though as they have dumped a whole lot of irrational spite and hatred on an individual and clearly traumatised him.”


Well, not that I agree with a lot of Perez's behaviour and one could construe that some of it was due to how he was treated, but, I would hope Perez reveals a lot more about what went on that we are not aware of.
EnricoIV
07-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Alex wasn't 'homophobic',- that's just a myth started by Perez fans.”

People who use homophobic slurs usually do get branded homophobic.

It's kind of funny how that works, isn't it?
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