Four out of the top five could see the true character of Perez. Not surprising that they took votes of each other and that the KP fan base and anti-Hopkins vote capitalised. It was a strategic victory, nothing more. Certainly not "good triumphing over evil" as the deluded Nadia put it.
What happened between Cheggers & Perez?
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Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.
Originally Posted by emfitz:
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
Anyone who needs someone else to tell them someone is "bad" when they're the one who's been living with them and getting along with them, has no strength of character IMO.
If Keith changed his opinion after listening to outside opinion, it was tactical or spineless.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Anyone who needs someone else to tell them someone is "bad" when they're the one who's been living with them and getting along with them, has no strength of character IMO.
If Keith changed his opinion after listening to outside opinion, it was tactical or spineless.”
“Anyone who needs someone else to tell them someone is "bad" when they're the one who's been living with them and getting along with them, has no strength of character IMO.
If Keith changed his opinion after listening to outside opinion, it was tactical or spineless.”
Without a doubt it was tactical in my view. Cheggars wavered all the way because he was trying to second guess public opinion. I actually think Katie H was right
for once 
Keith wasn't being himself.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Without a doubt it was tactical in my view. Cheggars wavered all the way because he was trying to second guess public opinion. I actually think Katie H was right for once Keith wasn't being himself.”
“Without a doubt it was tactical in my view. Cheggars wavered all the way because he was trying to second guess public opinion. I actually think Katie H was right
for once Keith wasn't being himself.”
Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.
Originally Posted by ChoccyPeanuts:
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
Keith was a bit all over the place on a daily basis I think.
I think the final straw for him was when Perez decided to tell them all what he thought of them - he was a bit brutal towards Michelle - I think Keith rather liked Michelle or at the least thought it to be a bit cruel.
Added to this - there was the task with Eamon Holmes, James Jordan and Jim Davidson all venting their spleen. I suppose it kind of reinforces negative perceptions.
Originally Posted by ChoccyPeanuts:
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
I think he did but it appears he became more vocal about his dislike of Perez once Perez left and in his own exit interviews. His celebration when Perez was evicted was somewhat surprising wasn't it?
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Keith was a bit all over the place on a daily basis I think.
I think the final straw for him was when Perez decided to tell them all what he thought of them - he was a bit brutal towards Michelle - I think Keith rather liked Michelle or at the least thought it to be a bit cruel.
Added to this - there was the task with Eamon Holmes, James Jordan and Jim Davidson all venting their spleen. I suppose it kind of reinforces negative perceptions.”
“Keith was a bit all over the place on a daily basis I think.
I think the final straw for him was when Perez decided to tell them all what he thought of them - he was a bit brutal towards Michelle - I think Keith rather liked Michelle or at the least thought it to be a bit cruel.
Added to this - there was the task with Eamon Holmes, James Jordan and Jim Davidson all venting their spleen. I suppose it kind of reinforces negative perceptions.”
Yeah, that makes sense.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I think he did but it appears he became more vocal about his dislike of Perez once Perez left and in his own exit interviews. His celebration when Perez was evicted was somewhat surprising wasn't it?”
“I think he did but it appears he became more vocal about his dislike of Perez once Perez left and in his own exit interviews. His celebration when Perez was evicted was somewhat surprising wasn't it?”
A little, but he was somewhat vocal before that, albeit rarely. He said that he thought Perez and Katie H were playing the biggest game in there during the debate for instance.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just hesitant to believe that yet another housemate behaved like a bit of an arse; there were too many in that house as is.
Originally Posted by emfitz:
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
I sit here with a big grin on my face, who in there right mind would listen to Eamonn, James and Jim, I mean really
Originally Posted by ChoccyPeanuts:
“Yeah, that makes sense.
A little, but he was somewhat vocal before that, albeit rarely. He said that he thought Perez and Katie H were playing the biggest game in there during the debate for instance.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just hesitant to believe that yet another housemate behaved like a bit of an arse; there were too many in that house as is.”
“Yeah, that makes sense.
A little, but he was somewhat vocal before that, albeit rarely. He said that he thought Perez and Katie H were playing the biggest game in there during the debate for instance.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just hesitant to believe that yet another housemate behaved like a bit of an arse; there were too many in that house as is.
”
That is all I'm saying. In my opinion and view he never liked Perez as you suggest but I still didn't expect his celebration at his eviction and I didn't expect him to be so over the top about never having anything to do with him again as he said on BOTS. Did you?
He turned and why? I think he was playing getting along but Perez exposed this when he honestly said that they weren't friends really and I think the outside influence made him realise it was the done thing to hate Perez and so he went for it.
Originally Posted by emfitz:
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
“Cheggers said he saw true colours after that eamon Holmes interview bit. I think he just listened to James, jim and eamons dislike of Perez and thought Perez must be bad.”
That's what happens if you can't think for yourself.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“That is all I'm saying. In my opinion and view he never liked Perez as you suggest but I still didn't expect his celebration at his eviction and I didn't expect him to be so over the top about never having anything to do with him again as he said on BOTS. Did you?
He turned and why? I think he was playing getting along but Perez exposed this when he honestly said that they weren't friends really and I think the outside influence made him realise it was the done thing to hate Perez and so he went for it.”
“That is all I'm saying. In my opinion and view he never liked Perez as you suggest but I still didn't expect his celebration at his eviction and I didn't expect him to be so over the top about never having anything to do with him again as he said on BOTS. Did you?
He turned and why? I think he was playing getting along but Perez exposed this when he honestly said that they weren't friends really and I think the outside influence made him realise it was the done thing to hate Perez and so he went for it.”
I haven't seen BOTS yet. I still have that treat to come.
Originally Posted by ChoccyPeanuts:
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
“Didn't he dislike Perez BEFORE that though?
It seemed to me that he was neither too keen on him or Hoppy.”
Me too, he wasn't best mates with either of them.
I think that Keith actually got on really well with Nadia and Michelle and that made it difficult for him in either camp. He obviously disliked both KH and Perez and had words with both.
KH constantly made digs at him because he wouldn't pick a side, whereas Nadia was happy for him to do what he pleased....big difference in attitudes and why Keith leaned more in Nadia's direction than Michelle's (plus Michelle was firmly wedged between KH's butt cheeks).
As for finally giving up on Perez, I think that came about after Perez's attack on Calum.
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Me too, he wasn't best mates with either of them.
I think that Keith actually got on really well with Nadia and Michelle and that made it difficult for him in either camp. He obviously disliked both KH and Perez and had words with both.
KH constantly made digs at him because he wouldn't pick a side, whereas Nadia was happy for him to do what he pleased....big difference in attitudes and why Keith leaned more in Nadia's direction than Michelle's (plus Michelle was firmly wedged between KH's butt cheeks).
As for finally giving up on Perez, I think that came about after Perez's attack on Calum.”
“Me too, he wasn't best mates with either of them.
I think that Keith actually got on really well with Nadia and Michelle and that made it difficult for him in either camp. He obviously disliked both KH and Perez and had words with both.
KH constantly made digs at him because he wouldn't pick a side, whereas Nadia was happy for him to do what he pleased....big difference in attitudes and why Keith leaned more in Nadia's direction than Michelle's (plus Michelle was firmly wedged between KH's butt cheeks).
As for finally giving up on Perez, I think that came about after Perez's attack on Calum.”
This all makes sense to me too.
Originally Posted by Amelia_Sutherla:
“That's what happens if you can't think for yourself.”
“That's what happens if you can't think for yourself.”
Yeah because not becoming part of some juvenile 'gang' is nothing like thinking for yourself.
I thought Keith had disliked Perez for a long time.
Ages ago, Keith tried to stop him acting like a dick and realised it was a waste of time.
He also disappeared quick smart when Perez was doing his endless pathetic silly act in front of him and KP, saying something like 'rather you than me' to KP.
He hadn't been overtly horrible to Perez, but that doesn't mean he liked him at all.
When he got voted out, Keith was jubilant, relieved isn't even the word. Perez must have driven him crazy, and when he got out, he admitted he really had no time for him.
He is a patient man and he tried, but in the end he just realy disliked Perez who was horrible.
Nothing mysterious about any of it, no 'plots' needed.
Ages ago, Keith tried to stop him acting like a dick and realised it was a waste of time.
He also disappeared quick smart when Perez was doing his endless pathetic silly act in front of him and KP, saying something like 'rather you than me' to KP.
He hadn't been overtly horrible to Perez, but that doesn't mean he liked him at all.
When he got voted out, Keith was jubilant, relieved isn't even the word. Perez must have driven him crazy, and when he got out, he admitted he really had no time for him.
He is a patient man and he tried, but in the end he just realy disliked Perez who was horrible.
Nothing mysterious about any of it, no 'plots' needed.
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“I sit here with a big grin on my face, who in there right mind would listen to Eamonn, James and Jim, I mean really”
“I sit here with a big grin on my face, who in there right mind would listen to Eamonn, James and Jim, I mean really
”
You would have thought, if Keith was such a nice guy, he would feel some sympathy for Perez after that awful, unjust character assassination by those two. Especially after seeing Perez's expression, he looked hurt and bewildered by it all.
Originally Posted by MaisieMooMoo:
“You would have thought, if Keith was such a nice guy, he would feel some sympathy for Perez after that awful, unjust character assassination by those two. Especially after seeing Perez's expression, he looked hurt and bewildered by it all.”
“You would have thought, if Keith was such a nice guy, he would feel some sympathy for Perez after that awful, unjust character assassination by those two. Especially after seeing Perez's expression, he looked hurt and bewildered by it all.”
Perhaps after trying to help him and seeing many times others try to make him change his unpleasant behaviour, to be told 'I don't care, I don't give A FK what any of you think, I don't CARE...' and carrying on regardless, Cheggars just finally believed him?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Perhaps after trying to help him and seeing many times others try to make him change his unpleasant behaviour, to be told 'I don't care, I don't give A FK what any of you think, I don't CARE...' and carrying on regardless, Cheggars just finally believed him?”
“Perhaps after trying to help him and seeing many times others try to make him change his unpleasant behaviour, to be told 'I don't care, I don't give A FK what any of you think, I don't CARE...' and carrying on regardless, Cheggars just finally believed him?”
Interestingly Perez was never unpleasant to Cheggars. However, Kav, Katie H and Michelle even to an extent were and yet he reserved his real venom for Perez
Originally Posted by Herts47:
“I think he switched to the Hopkins gang when Petez got evicted to further his chances of winning. After Hopkins went into sociopath mode in her interview and called him Switzerland, he realised he'd backed the wrong horse.
Her vitriol continued big time during BOTS and. Although Perez didn't say a word and took the full brunt of her hate, she couldn't stop ranting about Perez or having a go at Pricey. Keith wasn't impressed (even the two sheep without personalities Michelle & Callum were shocked at her behaviour). I think I saw at one point that he said something to Alicia and it may have included Perez.
Keith lost due to his celebration of Perez's exit as he had said he didmt like people leaving and didn't like bullying, yet allowed Hopkins to treat people like she did.
He was upset what Hopkins said about Pricey on BOTS as he liked her.
Hopefully he'll watch it back and realise it was Hopkins causing the trouble not Perez. I can appreciate Perez was hard to live with but the truth will come out when they all watch it back.”
“I think he switched to the Hopkins gang when Petez got evicted to further his chances of winning. After Hopkins went into sociopath mode in her interview and called him Switzerland, he realised he'd backed the wrong horse.
Her vitriol continued big time during BOTS and. Although Perez didn't say a word and took the full brunt of her hate, she couldn't stop ranting about Perez or having a go at Pricey. Keith wasn't impressed (even the two sheep without personalities Michelle & Callum were shocked at her behaviour). I think I saw at one point that he said something to Alicia and it may have included Perez.
Keith lost due to his celebration of Perez's exit as he had said he didmt like people leaving and didn't like bullying, yet allowed Hopkins to treat people like she did.
He was upset what Hopkins said about Pricey on BOTS as he liked her.
Hopefully he'll watch it back and realise it was Hopkins causing the trouble not Perez. I can appreciate Perez was hard to live with but the truth will come out when they all watch it back.”
l do hope so.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Interestingly Perez was never unpleasant to Cheggars. However, Kav, Katie H and Michelle even to an extent were and yet he reserved his real venom for Perez”
“Interestingly Perez was never unpleasant to Cheggars. However, Kav, Katie H and Michelle even to an extent were and yet he reserved his real venom for Perez
”
We don't know that he wasn't.
We do know that Cheggars thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.
Cheggars is a nice man, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have his limits and didn't form his own opinions.
And he said them.
Good for him. Perez deserves the truth, not to be fooled by some gameplayer pretending he thought he was okay, doesn't he?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“We don't know that he wasn't.
We do know that Cheggars thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.
Cheggars is a nice man, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have his limits and didn't form his own opinions.
And he said them.
Good for him. Perez deserves the truth, not to be fooled by some gameplayer pretending he thought he was okay, doesn't he?”
“We don't know that he wasn't.
We do know that Cheggars thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.
Cheggars is a nice man, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have his limits and didn't form his own opinions.
And he said them.
Good for him. Perez deserves the truth, not to be fooled by some gameplayer pretending he thought he was okay, doesn't he?”
So we don't know that Perez wasn't horrible to Cheggars personally but we do know that Cheggars 'thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.'
When did he say all of that and wouldn't it have made sense to also add any personally nasty things Perez did to him.
Cheggars is a game player and he 'f'ed it up just like Katie H when it came to the final stretch
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“So we don't know that Perez wasn't horrible to Cheggars personally but we do know that Cheggars 'thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.'
When did he say all of that and wouldn't it have made sense to also add any personally nasty things Perez did to him.
Cheggars is a game player and he 'f'ed it up just like Katie H when it came to the final stretch”
“So we don't know that Perez wasn't horrible to Cheggars personally but we do know that Cheggars 'thought Perez was generally very difficult, had no consideration for others, was disrespectful and unkind, didn't care if he didn't let them sleep etc etc.'
When did he say all of that and wouldn't it have made sense to also add any personally nasty things Perez did to him.
Cheggars is a game player and he 'f'ed it up just like Katie H when it came to the final stretch
”
Keith said it when he came out.
He had NO GAME left to play.
He wasn't even PLAYING a game to 'eff it up'. He just really loathes Perez, like most of them in there.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Keith said it when he came out.
He had NO GAME left to play.
He wasn't even PLAYING a game to 'eff it up'. He just really loathes Perez, like most of them in there.”
“Keith said it when he came out.
He had NO GAME left to play.
He wasn't even PLAYING a game to 'eff it up'. He just really loathes Perez, like most of them in there.”
But decided to leave out any personal hurts that Perez did to him
Keith was toeing the party line as set up by Michelle and Katy H and cemented into his mind by James Jordan and Eamon Holmes.
If Keith truly just loathed Perez then why did he roll round laughing at Perez's antics on more than one occasion Hmm
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