OK.

(evfirst hand reports on the Finale it all sounds as if something kicked off in the Green Room.

My thoughts.

Alex left the show. I think he was under the impression that he was always gonna leave early - he had gigs booked - he wasn't in it to win it. His anger got the better of him and BB said - OK you can leave now - thanks for your contribution and not kicking off about leaving. I'm sure it was a mutual thing and he was assured that he could come back for the finale and perform.

I would think that BB had told Perez that he had left because of his unacceptable behaviour and anger issues. Perez was placated and persuaded to stay. BB looked to Perez to be behaving in his interests even though it was always in the remit that Alex was gonna go early.

In the house Alex had become a kind of 'sacred cow' - all the negativity and bad feeling that was bubbling was all blamed on this incident and Perez was blamed for this throughout. It became a valid reason to behave appalingly towards Perez.

Imagine the scene in the Green Room. Perez assumes that Alex was removed as punishment for anger issues and there he is being fawned over by The Bash Street Kids. I think (justifiably) he probably had a bit of a tantrum.

All this - minutes before going on air.

That's just my thoughts - sorry for the long post.

seems feasible Penny.
Even if you dismiss the homophobic stuff (which the majority seem very keen to do ),
let us not forget Alexandra Degale was ejected for miming shooting a gun at an HM and doing the boom boom thing which Alexander did.
I am very disappointed in Alexander, and i thought the behaviour of Hopkins and her "crew" was an embarrassment for supposed adults, they looked like 14 year olds drunk on white lightening in the park.

Sounds plausible to me!

And someone gave Kav some vodka.

Perez probably played the " I don't feel safe" card

Yeah - I forgot that bit.

Call the Police

From everything I've read (so far) it seems a lot of trouble has been caused by Kav's behaviour, along with Cami and Chloe (the report from the finale somebody posted http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2050395 ), not heard much mention of Perez as yet, other than he was upset rather than causing upset.

I agree the Alexander issue is what cemented the house split - there was no going back on the part of Hopkins with Perez after that.

But - they were always going to clash about other things anyway.

The physical separation of the two "gangs" on the benchs at Bots was unbelievably childish - they all adults and it is a game. They should try rugby.

I think it had already kicked off before the start - I think it would have been carnage at that point if they'd have sat them together.

I think Alex was already upset and worked up over Ken's comments to him.

IMO Ken was a disgrace to Alex.

From that I think anything could have sparked Alex off. I'm sure he was fuming with Ken and wondered why someone would say such things to him and especially on a TV show. I mean seriously, it was utterly outrageous. Ken should have been removed immediatly and not waiting for him to further make disgusting comments about Lenny Henry.

Three warnings is fine, but Ken's treatment of Alex should have been straight out the door. I'm sure Alex must have wondered over and over in his head why Ken was allowed to stay. Did Alex even know Ken got a warning? If he didn't it must have been very hard for Alex.

So in my view anyone acting the eejit could really have sent Alex over the edge and lose the plot.

I agree that Ken was disgusting but .............it really didn't appear to me that Alex was that bothered TBH.

I think he was hoping to be evicted first and had wound himself a bit after Chloe went. He knew that he had dates to fulfil - I think he'd been assured he wouldn't be in there long.

Added to this I think he was bored, not really fitting in and found it all a bit chaotic and distressing in general.

On that first night when he knew he was up for nomination I distinctly remember him saying 'Would they really make it that easy - will we still get paid - when can we leave?' He never had his heart in it.

Would of been so funny if Alex admitted last night his leaving had nothing to do with Parez. Would of made the others look utterly stupid! Lol

And I'd like to further add that this idea from the "gang" that Perez was to blame for Alex leaving reminds me of the issue over Cami being evicted.


When Keith got upset at Cami going out and saying it was not a nice way to be evicted. Katie H kept goading him about Keith nominating her as if he had no right to be upset for her. But this was very small minded of K H as that had nothing to do with Keith's point. And it was endless badgering on K H's part.

So, in my view a lot of what went on is forgotten about in order to take a side which is totally out of context and it skews the real event that took place.

It a plausible theory Penny. You may be right.

I do think something went on that we didn't see and are unlikely to be told unless we kidnap a member of the production crew and give them the soft cushion and comfy chair treatment.

I too think there is more to the Alex and Perez story than we know but I am not sure I am ready to judge Alex. We saw Perez's behaviour after The Cami/Jeremy thing. It had nothing what so ever to do with Perez yet he was the one crying about being a afraid for his life.

We also saw almost every single housemate lose it with Perez at some point. I accept that there is such a thing as group hysteria and the pack will outcast a member deemed to be errant and sometimes without just cause. And that this pack mentality is even more likely to occur when a favoured pack member is encouraging it. But I am not sure I would assume that they were all wrong or that Katie Hopkins had such sway over them.

In fact it was the very fact that Katie Hopkins, of all people, seemed to be able to persuade as many as 10 people with no connections to her and few to each other, that her apparently nasty behaviour was justified in some way, is what makes me believe there is much more to this than meets the eye.

Unless, when Alex was called to the diary room he kept being aggressive, refused to accept he was in the wrong, continued his homophobic attitude,.giving the producers no choice but to agree he leaves.

I think there is some context to the Jeremy/Perez relationship but I'm not too sure what it is. I believe that there was 'history' between them and that Jeremy was known to be a bit unstable. All this 'fearing for his safety' stuff etc. was rather dramatic but I do believe it had something to do with bad feelings/confrontations that had gone on before.

sounds even more feasible....

that's a possibility but I do think he'd had enough.

I'd like some sort of explanation as to how Alex was proposing to perform at these pre arranged gigs if he'd still been in the house.

There must have been some sort of prior agreement in his contract.

Jeremy has been involved in an incident at Paris Hilton's home. Google it, Perez had every reason to think Jeremy was unstable. As I recall Michelle also had similar concerns about Jeremy.

Link: http://mobi.perezhilton.com/2014-07-...n#.VKnUAMXgHa8

Some of what you said may well be true, but assuming it was Perez who had a tantrum (use of word damning) may well be giving Perez a disservice.

I think Cami or Kav were the most wound up and Perez was quiet as he sees it as a game and has always thought it should be over when they leave the house.

Cami should be more careful if she doesn't want a criminal record in the UK, that ganster moll thing doesn't fly here.

Well that's true. Both characters seem to have a lot of history. It is very likely some of it will overlap.

interesting Dave thanks for that

I thought he said on This Morning or that Channel Five magazine show that his first gig was on Feb 16th/18th or thereabouts. I am sure he plugged it.

Oh dear.

Definite history there then.

So, it must have been awkward for Perez when the incident with the dressing gown by Jeremy happened.

If this story is true, wonder why BB invited Jeremy on BB?