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Better Call Saul on Netflix - Discussion Thread
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The_don1
05-04-2015
Chuck is right and its not really about having "faith" in Jimmy.

For someone like Chuck the law is above everything, Every single word is sacred and should be worshipped and needs to be looked at and looked at again and then some more. People are here to serve those words

For Jimmy it's very different, Its something to be shaped and used to achieve an objective (good or bad). The law should serve the people.

For someone like Chuck Jimmy is everything that's wrong with the world. He is someone who gets by on the fly. Writing legal paper work on loo paper to him is like setting fire to a persons holy book.

You see people who think religion belongs to them all the time and only they are good enough to preach it, Chuck is the same.
Jonny Rubber
05-04-2015
Anyone else notice Trevor from GTA 5
MacBurp
07-04-2015
Just watched the finale, I feel a little bit underwhelmed and confused by it. Will spoiler my comments as it is a bit early in the day for folk to have seen the ep just yet, don't open the spoiler unless you've seen it -

Spoiler
So Jimmy goes back to Chicago to relive old times and work out his demons, but decides he must go back to his new life in Albuquerque. A partnership awaits at a reputable firm, with the opportunity to make many millions from the care home place.

So why would he have a eureka moment and decide to break bad, just because he passed up $1.6m? What happened to Marco surely cautions against this. It just doesn't feel right.


Have I missed something?
MoreTears
07-04-2015
Originally Posted by MacBurp:
“Just watched the finale, I feel a little bit underwhelmed and confused by it. Will spoiler my comments as it is a bit early in the day for folk to have seen the ep just yet, don't open the spoiler unless you've seen it -

Spoiler
So Jimmy goes back to Chicago to relive old times and work out his demons, but decides he must go back to his new life in Albuquerque. A partnership awaits at a reputable firm, with the opportunity to make many millions from the care home place.

So why would he have a eureka moment and decide to break bad, just because he passed up $1.6m? What happened to Marco surely cautions against this. It just doesn't feel right.


Have I missed something?”

I think what you missed is the producers presenting the audience with two possibilities to consider: (1) Chuck was right. People don't change. Jimmy never really stopped being Slippin' Jimmy, and he only became more dangerous by getting a law degree. Or (2), Jimmy could have changed, and was changing, but the combination of his brother's lack of faith in him and the death of the friend who wanted him to be a con man cemented his identity as Slippin' Jimmy.
munkyfellover
07-04-2015
I must admit I was expecting a cliff hanger of sorts. Maybe not AS cliff hanger as we came to expect with Breaking Bad, but even so. I was pretty underwhelmed too.
LeftCoastal
07-04-2015
In California we call it a: "hot fudge sundae…"

Kidding.

Really good first season.

Notes:

Kim's a good friend (ex-girlfriend?)

"Better Call Saul" is a show about a lawyer, but it doesn't unspool like a procedural
(i.e. each episode corresponding to a new case.)
We learn about Jimmy the lawyer by getting to know Jimmy the person.
It's part of why the writing (and everything else) has been so enjoyable; a story that was perceived by some as having a fixed endpoint,
"Saul" @ Cinnabon, can really go anywhere.

Which makes it hard to speculate where next season is going.

Parallel story lines with Jimmy being Jimmy and everyone else working the Sand Piper case?

And, of course, the Br Ba cards (if they should decide to play them)…
So how did Mike meet Gus?
Will Jimmy get a tattoo from a young Jane?
Is Marie the world's biggest Prince fan? What's with the purple Marie?
MacBurp
07-04-2015
Originally Posted by MoreTears:
“I think what you missed is the producers presenting the audience with two possibilities to consider: (1) Chuck was right. People don't change. Jimmy never really stopped being Slippin' Jimmy, and he only became more dangerous by getting a law degree. Or (2), Jimmy could have changed, and was changing, but the combination of his brother's lack of faith in him and the death of the friend who wanted him to be a con man cemented his identity as Slippin' Jimmy.”

Both possibilities are correct. Jimmy had reigned in his dark side, but it would always be there as a temptation. The irony here is that Chuck's rejection of Jimmy brought back Slippin' Jimmy with a vengeance - hence the trip to Chicago. However, I'm not sure that the death of Marco would or should inspire Jimmy to be a criminal. A huge job opportunity with a probable payout of millions was in Jimmy's grasp - and he gave it up for an uncertain life on the make.
Yo Omars Comin
07-04-2015
If I remember correctly Saul once told Walt that he got with a girl because he convinced her he was Kevin Costner.
Lojen
07-04-2015
Originally Posted by munkyfellover:
“I must admit I was expecting a cliff hanger of sorts. Maybe not AS cliff hanger as we came to expect with Breaking Bad, but even so. I was pretty underwhelmed too.”

Yeah I really enjoyed the season as a whole, but this last episode I found to be the weakest by far.
Sez_babe
07-04-2015
A great last episode. I think Bob Odenkirk deserves an Emmy nomination for the Bingo scene alone!
St. Anthony
07-04-2015
Just watched it, thought it was pretty darn cool, loved the ending music.

Really enjoyed the season, found the middle a bit saggy, in parts, but last two eps have me looking forward to the continuing saga of Saul Goodman.

St. Anthony
07-04-2015
Originally Posted by Sez_babe:
“A great last episode. I think Bob Odenkirk deserves an Emmy nomination for the Bingo scene alone!”

Yeah, The Bingo scene was outstanding, seeing such a random coincidence of balls eat away at him.
Sifter22
07-04-2015
Was definitely expecting a bit more of a cliffhanger but at least there's been some good character development throughout the series. I guess it just leaves us wondering how he's actually going to break bad. At least there's stuff to look forward to next season.
Red November
07-04-2015
Originally Posted by Lojen:
“Yeah I really enjoyed the season as a whole, but this last episode I found to be the weakest by far.”

Agreed. A great series, but an underwhelming finale.

I found the bingo scene bordering on tedious, and the coin con was just too unbelievable that anyone would fall for it.

It felt like a series of short sketches rather than a continual, unfolding story being told.
eggshell
07-04-2015
Well I'm glad that it ended on a relative high with Jimmy deciding where he was going.

I had a dreadful sinking feeling that one of the Santa Fey partners would be someone he'd just scammed (coin man), I couldn't have taken Jimmy getting another kick in the teeth.

For me this was about Jimmy realising what he enjoyed and was good at and going for that rather than the prison of a regular job which he'd done out of a sense of obligation.

Look out, here comes Saul !!!
~*~Jess~*~
07-04-2015
Loved it and love Bob Odenkirk sooo much!!
I felt a teeny bit sorry for Chuck when he went to open the door but Jimmy drove off and then I remember how he made him feel in the previous episode. Missed Mike a lot in the finale, he never bothered me that much in BB but really like him in BCS.
QT 3.14
08-04-2015
I'm just going to squat over the sunroof and leave this here.

http://i.imgur.com/rYFGyZl.jpg
Adam_Conners
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Lojen:
“Yeah I really enjoyed the season as a whole, but this last episode I found to be the weakest by far.”

I thought it set the whole thing up nicely for season 2. I'm a fan of Breaking Bad, so maybe you need to watch that to appreciate what happens next since everyone who has watched Breaking Bad knows Saul? Season 2 is hopefully about him setting up his own practice and the wacky people he defends.
Dancing Girl
08-04-2015
Oh boy, I will have to wait for the next series of Call Saul. Fantastic programme and I was a fan of Breaking Bad but did not find Saul appealing unlike Jimmy who I want to win and can now understand how he ends up as the rather unappealing character of Saul. Jimmy loves his brother who treats him appallingly. He even looks after him after the awful discovery that his brother was behind him not working for the law company. His dislike of Jimmy was written all over Chuck's face. Awful. No wonder Jimmy ends up as Saul, the lawyer using every method possible to make himself a buck.

Love Call Saul. Totally hooked.
Dancing Girl
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by eggshell:
“Well I'm glad that it ended on a relative high with Jimmy deciding where he was going.

I had a dreadful sinking feeling that one of the Santa Fey partners would be someone he'd just scammed (coin man), I couldn't have taken Jimmy getting another kick in the teeth.

For me this was about Jimmy realising what he enjoyed and was good at and going for that rather than the prison of a regular job which he'd done out of a sense of obligation.

Look out, here comes Saul !!!”

Yes, I know what you mean. Could not stand Jimmy to be kicked AGAIN. I feel so protective of him and really care about what happens to him, obviously a sign of a great programme.
Tom2023
08-04-2015
Limped over the line.
blueisthecolour
08-04-2015
I also found Jimmy's change of heart at the end a bit out of character. He was so determined in the earlier shows that he wanted to work as a lawyer for a big firm, and if anything his trip back to Chicago seemed to reinforce his resolve to go legit. The new job was handing him everything he wanted on a platter yet he decides to 'break bad' instead.

Anyway, overall season review: I liked the show, well written, interesting characters, good plot development. It wasn't particularly groundbreaking though, very few shocking twists and turns, all a bit predictable. Certainly not a show where I couldn't wait for the next episodes, more a nice distraction for 45 mins. Up there with something like The Mentalist or Suits rather than The Sopranos or Mad Med.
tour de force
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Red November:
“Agreed. A great series, but an underwhelming finale.

I found the bingo scene bordering on tedious, and the coin con was just too unbelievable that anyone would fall for it.

It felt like a series of short sketches rather than a continual, unfolding story being told.”


Yes, an underwhelming and superfluous episode, imo. They could easily have tacked on the last couple of scenes to the previous episode and it would have had more impact.



Originally Posted by Dancing Girl:
“Oh boy, I will have to wait for the next series of Call Saul. Fantastic programme and I was a fan of Breaking Bad but did not find Saul appealing unlike Jimmy who I want to win and can now understand how he ends up as the rather unappealing character of Saul. Jimmy loves his brother who treats him appallingly. He even looks after him after the awful discovery that his brother was behind him not working for the law company. His dislike of Jimmy was written all over Chuck's face. Awful. No wonder Jimmy ends up as Saul, the lawyer using every method possible to make himself a buck.

Love Call Saul. Totally hooked.”


I never saw Saul as anything other than the mostly one dimensional comedy relief on BB, and approached this series with fairly low expectations. Now I'm totally hooked also.
storm818
08-04-2015
Excellent season, the penultimate episode was as good as any Breaking Bad episode. However I was also left a bit underwhelmed by the final episode. Saul deciding to go back to New Mexico was strange and then deciding to reject the law firm was even stranger. It was the perfect way for him to prove Chuck wrong but he turned his back.

As for Chuck, yea he was a dick for betraying his brother but I understand his reasons.
Tom2023
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by tour de force:
“Yes, an underwhelming and superfluous episode, imo. They could easily have tacked on the last couple of scenes to the previous episode and it would have had more impact.”


This show ends when Saul meets Walter White.

I think Vince Gilligan has said there will be 5 seasons.

Obviously they couldn't start off when Jimmy was a youth because Bob Odenkirk struggles to look younger than 40.

Season 1 was about how Jimmy became a criminal lawyer and I agree they struggled to make it 10 episodes long. The first season of BB was 8 episodes.

Season 2 is rumoured to be 13 episodes long and hopefully now Jimmy is a criminal lawyer he will get to meet lots of interesting characters but I wouldn't bet against it being how he chooses the name Saul Goodman and how he sets up his practice.
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