Twelve legitimately does seem like an older grouchier Eleven. But I think most Doctors still have their foot in the door of the previous incarnation.

Whereas Eleven was an exuberant eccentric. I think it's worth pointing out that the phrase 'madman in a box' was coined by Amy, who wanted to be reassured that he wasn't one of those!

You're disgusting and horrible. How absolutely pretentious and condescending of you.

Not once in my OP did I target anyone personally, yet you decide to mock me and target me for putting across my opinion on something. I don't need a lecture from you, because you don't know anything about me. If you don't agree with what I say, tell me that. But don't use it, twist it, and turn it into a way to push me down and make me feel small.

Sigh.

You tried.

And also lovable and sweet as a baby bunny.

Well, I think so, anyway.

I think that "Mad Man in a Box" sums up Matt Smith's era - that was Amy's perception of him as a child when she met him.
That should be the END of it!!
Clara sees the Doctor as someone else - I dunno - a miserable Scotsman with greying hair?! It might progress from here - hopefully!
After all, other Doctors have been referred to as a Grandfather, a clown, a Dandy, a Bohemian, a Sweetie, an Egotistic, a mystery man, a romantic, a man about town, and a handsome Casanova! THEN he became that mad bloke in a blooming Box!! That was down to Amy and Steven Moffat!!
The new(ish) Doctor has yet to find his title!

But didn't you predict this?:

So you fully expected your opinion to cause a flurry (maybe because you knew your examples weren't particularly representative of post-2010 Who), but you're somehow shocked and outraged at the flurry?

Stop playing the victim and respond to the points raised with a cogent counter-argument.

The irony being these things you quote are all from Moffat episodes, aside from the ghostbusters bit which now seems tired and dated (a male ghostbuster....how old fashioned )

I do think the humour is important to doctor who, some of its worst eras was when it began taking itself too seriously, and while I might think the humour was slightly superior back In RTD times, especially series 4, I don't exactly think it's out of hand at the moment, bar Moffat's slightly ott "the doctor is having regen trauma and doubts the existant of bedrooms" style dialogue from ep 1.

But then I grew up on red dwarf so i prefer it when my Sci fi is as funny as possible.

Run you clever boy and remember...to keep laughing

The mime act and garlands are from RTD episodes. There are many other examples I couldve given! Humour has been present throughout albeit in different tones and degrees. I'm a miserable shit and so tend to prefer my DW to be more on the po-faced and serious side- less Unicorn and the Wasp and more Dark Water- but I appreciate it has its place. It is why I really dislike S4 as it got the balance all wrong for me and also why I think poor Matts Doctor lost his way somewhat and was often reduced to a bumbling factory of wacky. Which was a shame. Whatever. Main point is- there's always been that element in DW and it sure as hell wasn't an invention of Moffats.

US sitcom style quick fire quipping with a side order of Whedon smugness on the other hand? Well now you're talking (though this was almost entirely scrubbed out from S8 thank the Lord).

I wasn't expecting people to target me personally.

How have you been personally targeted?

Ironically, I quite like the humour in The Unicorn and the Wasp, and I though Series 4 was a model series. You had the first 6 light episodes and the final 6 dark episodes, with TUATW bridging the gap between the two. I think it was more a filler episode, like Turn Left, Closing Time and In the Forest of the Night. Something that focuses specifically on the personality of the characters before giving them some major action in the following episode. (Silence in the Library, The Wedding of River Song, Dark Water respectively)

What I'm trying to say is, what I've seen with other Doctors (although I've never seen a single Sixth & Seventh Doctor episode and I don't plan to), is that their has always been a time and a place to cast a one liner but with 11, it's sometimes just a little too silly, don't get me wrong though, it's a children's show, I'm sure a lot of children would like that, my nephews certainly do.

In what way have you been targeted personally? The purpose of this forum is debate and discussion. If you put forward an argument based on highly selective evidence, it is reasonable for someone else to submit the counter-argument in the same format to demonstrate how and why your selection of evidence is flawed.

Your sarcasm made me think that you thought my opinion was somehow inferior or false, I saw it as an attack and not a simple case of disagreeing with me. Like I said before your little rant, I would've been much happier if you just disagreed, then said your opinion, and we would discuss it. Like everyone else did. The sarcasm was well and truly unnecessary and I'm sorry that I couldn't see the funny side of it.

11 said to Amy her life might depend on knowing he was a "mad man in a blue box" . He was trying to warn her and prepare her for what being a companion would mean. It is a risky dangerous job. Anything can and will happen. Amy and Rory bless them learnt that the hard way. Losing their daughter and not being able to have other children. Only way they could be together was to sacrifice themselves to the weeping angels. Clara has also seen and done a lot since boarding the tardis. Clara could have left the tadis for a "normal" life with Danny. Sadly she lost him so her future is now uncertain.

Moffat tends to want to label his characters which is becoming very annoying eg mad man in a box, the girl who waited, the impossible girl.

They are very soundbitey/catchphrasey/t-shirty aren't they?

Don't forget Rory, the Last/Lone* Centurion (*depending on which one he remembers) too.

It's funny, some of those names aren't nearly as common as you might think, they just stand out. For example:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Awww.chakoteya.net+"mad+man"+"box"

This is another example of cherry-picking to prove a point about Moffat. RTD did the exact same thing:
"The Last of the Time Lords"
"The Oncoming Storm"
"The Lonely God"
"The Valiant Child"
"The Doctor and Rose Tyler: The Stuff of Legend"
"The Time Lord Victorious"

Could also throw 'The Doctor/Donna' in there as well. And you can be sure the phrase Last of the Timelords was actually uttered much more than Madman in a Box which I think was only said in 2-3 episodes at most.

It baffles me why people are so desperate to slay Moffat that they resort to either making things up or being stunningly inconsistent with their criticisms.

Fine if you don't like his writing. Plenty of reason not to I'm sure for some. But at least be fair. It's like the vocal 'anti-Clara'brigade on social media and forums during S8 and their often repeated criticism that it was the Clara Show and that Moffat puts too much emphasis on the companions. Erm. Did these people even watch RTDs era?!?! It was ever thus!

(You forgot "The Children of Time" xD)

I was never cherry picking in my OP.

The Valiant Child was used once in Series 2, same with Stuff of Legend. TLV was used once in the Specials. The Children of Time was in one episode too. I'll grant you the others though. I'm not pro or against; as you say, it's a thing both writers have done. I just wish they'd stop with it because it's so lame. I want characters, not Cool T-Shirt Quotes or Generic Interview Soundbites.

These labels are so overused and lame. For me, for example, "Raggedy Man" in Matt's finale would've had more punch if the 3 series prior to it hadn't been prone to giving every companion/primary character a boring label.

The worst of these, for me, was The Impossible Girl. That 'mystery' completely stood in the way of Clara having any sort of character. She was just this unsolvable mystery (which was crap to sit through, IMO, because even the audience wasn't given any clues - which are sort of key ingredients for a mystery that we should care about or engage with). I felt like they really laboured home the "Impossible Girl" thing and it really ruined Clara in S7. Thankfully she's been much better (writing-wise and acting-wise) in S8.

All of these were quite effective back then, though. The "stuff of legend" is bullshit, I must admit. "The Oncoming Storm" was also a bit stupid.

"The Last of the Time Lords" was quite literal. He was the last of the Time Lords. "The Lonely God" was used once by the Doctor's mother which was a nice touch, and described the Doctor quite accurately, giving him vulnerability. And, IIRC, "The Valient Child" was used for Rose once.