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Apart from the early evening news when I'm cooking my evening meal I find it very difficult to find anything on terrestrial worth watching so I must be a far more challenging viewer.
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I'm sure they will and they're welcome
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No I do not think so, many just like to knock Sky! bur Freeview seems to shut up shop at midnight apart from a handful of channels, plus shopping, poker and tits n bums !
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I have to take my hat off to you. Here we have a company with their hand in your wallet robbing you blind and you simply smile and invite to help themselves - wow, priceless.
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i get far far more entertainment off of sky and the channels on sky, then bbc and freeview.
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I was listening to the radio coming home from work the other night with the presenter talking about the cost of the new TV Sky/BT sports deal. I nearly swerved off the road when the presenter mentioned that someone taking the full service under the new deal will be paying just shy of £900 per year. I think that may have included broadband.
I thought blimey I think my unlimited BB costs me around £145 per year plus we are struggling to watch all the programmes we are recording and they are free. I know it's up to people how they choose to spend their money but can't help thinking the worlds gone mad. Changing my ISP this month will save me a bit of money, but not a awful lot as I will have to pay line rental, something which I do not pay at the moment. Anyway, the main thing that niggles me is when people say to me they are struggling to afford their gas, electric, food bills, so I ask them if they have Sky and they say yes, so I tell them that is the answer, get rid of sky. If they do not want to get rid of Sky then they have to cope, simple as that. £145 per year for broadband is pretty good, I presume that is ADSL and do not include line rental. |
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Yea and I'd wager $ky and the likes of Rooney and Co have a great deal more, but hey you're a wise adult right?
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BT TV starts at £5 , VM have lower TV packages costing similar , all these customers are included in subscriber numbers. The movie pass on Now TV costs £9.99 and the Entertainment pack costs £6.99.
Sky said in a recent results presentation that 1 in 5 Now TV subscribers now took both monthly passes , there's probably also an element of those who also buy the occasional sports passes. Whilst clearly these pay less than a satellite subscriber they are paying subscribers , Sky has also sold Now TV packages with its phone/BB offerings and the Now TV box has the Sky Store available which brings in extra revenue. Not everyone with Sky have broadband, I know a few people who don't. |
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Don't do the $ky thing, that lowers the discussion, they are a business that was set up to make money. if people want to pay so much for mostly rubbish then that is up to them.
All i watch on bbc at the moment is waterloo road and uncle and a zombie apocalypse |
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Nah its direct debit
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It's the bbc that's rubbish to me and most of the programs are as dull as dishwater.
All i watch on bbc at the moment is waterloo road and uncle and a zombie apocalypse It's 'ditchwater' btw. |
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It's the bbc that's rubbish to me and most of the programs are as dull as dishwater.
All i watch on bbc at the moment is waterloo road and uncle and a zombie apocalypse Would I get sky again? Not as i live at the moment, if I ever got into a relationship and they moved in or I moved in with them and they wanted Sky then fine, if that is what they want, but they can bloody well pay for it ![]() I do have a Now box, which I did use for 3 months when i came out of Hospital, or should I say I paid for, but never really used that much. I think I lost out on that. |
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Yea and I'd wager $ky and the likes of Rooney and Co have a great deal more, but hey you're a wise adult right?
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Don't do the $ky thing, that lowers the discussion, they are a business that was set up to make money. if people want to pay so much for mostly rubbish then that is up to them.
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It is not good comparing BT or Talk Talk in the price wars of TV, because you need their broadband to get the service, something which you do not need with Sky.
Not everyone with Sky have broadband, I know a few people who don't. However, unlimited BT Infinity (including weekend calls) at £27.65 plus the £10.45 TV package I'm on still is still considerably less than most Sky TV packages that provide television only. I don't include line rental in that as I've paid for a years in advance, something I believe Sky no longer offer. And mine is the highest broadband tariff aswell, there are cheaper options for Infinity with usage limits (which don't count towards your TV usage) and standard broadband of course. It's simple mathematics, Sky are excessively expensive. Whoever your home phone/BB provider is, total your costs along with how much you pay to Sky(excluding temporary offers) and chances are you are paying considerably more than I am. And before anyone says it, yes, I know, I KNOW, that if its your choice to have Sky and pay what I personally think is a heck of a lot for limited options then it is your own business. But it still stands as a sign that Sky stand to lose more customers as more people realise there are far cheaper options out there with little or no compromise on quality, choice and customer service. That's what the discussion was originally about: the demise of high-end pay TV. It's coming. It's inevitable. |
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I can well remember around 12 months ago on this very forum I argued that 3D was dead in the water (home TV I was discussing). I was howled down at the time by Sky HD 3D customers who argued it was the best thing since sliced bread and was going from strength to strength.
I was told to wait twelve months and I would be proved wrong. Someone remind me - how's that working out? |
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Virgin haven't splurged billions of pounds so that footballers can continue to be overpaid for another three years. They have recently announced a £3 billion investment to increase their own network, which is at least forward thinking of them, but perhaps too little too late for them to seriously be considered a nationwide alternative to Sky.
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Yes, you don't have to have Sky broadband or line rental to get Sky TV, whereas you must take BT LR and BB to access BT TV.
Pease correct me if I'm wrong, for a BT customer to gain access to Sky Sports (2 channels), would cost them near on £70 a month, so you don't regard that as restrictive/expensive? So with Sky out the way, who would get the majority of football rights, BT? So you would be happy with that, you'd even turn a blind eye to the footballers getting fatter wage packets? |
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Yes, you don't have to have Sky broadband or line rental to get Sky TV, whereas you must take BT LR and BB to access BT TV.
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However, unlimited BT Infinity (including weekend calls) at £27.65 plus the £10.45 TV package I'm on still is still considerably less than most Sky TV packages that provide television only. I don't include line rental in that as I've paid for a years in advance, something I believe Sky no longer offer.
It depend son what you get for your money at the end of the day and also do not forget that BT Tv, just like Talk Talk is relying on a a broadband service that is still a bit ropy in this country.Bt have cut down the advance line rental a lot, but then so have all the others. I was going to pay all at once when I changed to plusnet, but decided against it, I may still change my mind once I get back to work, if i can. Quote:
And mine is the highest broadband tariff aswell, there are cheaper options for Infinity with usage limits (which don't count towards your TV usage) and standard broadband of course. It's simple mathematics, Sky are excessively expensive. Whoever your home phone/BB provider is, total your costs along with how much you pay to Sky(excluding temporary offers) and chances are you are paying considerably more than I am.
BT is more expensive than any other large provider on their broadband service, but that is normal for BT, always been expensive and that will never change. Sky also offers offer you more for your money in the amount of channels you get for the money, if you want them or not is another matter, the fact is they have it.BT You View offers a lot fewer channels. The problem I also see on BT web site is that it is difficult to make comparisons. I just been on to Sky Website and i can see at a glance that The Variety Bundle would cost me £28 a month after 6 months, and £17.25 before that. I go to BT web site and they tell me that Infinity one with Tv and weekend calls would cost me £12.50 a month plus £16.99 month line rental + £49 activation fee Ok, that is fine, but for how long and how much will the price rise to after the offer? BT is awful for that. I am not on sky or BT side here, I think both are over priced to be honest. Quote:
And before anyone says it, yes, I know, I KNOW, that if its your choice to have Sky and pay what I personally think is a heck of a lot for limited options then it is your own business. But it still stands as a sign that Sky stand to lose more customers as more people realise there are far cheaper options out there with little or no compromise on quality, choice and customer service. That's what the discussion was originally about: the demise of high-end pay TV. It's coming. It's inevitable.
I think both companies are going to lose customers, they both paid over the top for that silly game called football and they will need to claw the money back somehow. The problem is it is the people who have no interest in football or sport that will pay. BT will hike it line rental up and sky will hike it entertainment channel prices up as well. TBH, I hope it hits then both, but people just seems to keep on paying and paying huge amounts of money for mainly trash and a lot of stuff they do not watch. Sure I am paying for stuff I do not watch on Netflix, but it is only £6 a month and it is there when I want to watch it. Still got to rely on our broadband mind you, even when I change providers. But as you said, it is up to people, if they want to spend that amount of money. |
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I can well remember around 12 months ago on this very forum I argued that 3D was dead in the water (home TV I was discussing). I was howled down at the time by Sky HD 3D customers who argued it was the best thing since sliced bread and was going from strength to strength.
I was told to wait twelve months and I would be proved wrong. Someone remind me - how's that working out? It will come a time when we can switch on our Tv, pick up the remote and watch what we want at any time and with a standard UI, not a miss match we have now. I can dream. |
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You comparing pay TV with 3D? A different thing to be honest. Pay Tv will not vanish, it will change with more people hopefully wanting to watch what they want when they want and because someone sit in a office and say we will put Jamie Oliver can't cook on at 7.30pm on Monday and after that we will stick some other crap on because people will keep watching it as they can not be bothered to change channels.
It will come a time when we can switch on our Tv, pick up the remote and watch what we want at any time and with a standard UI, not a miss match we have now. I can dream. The TV out would be a different payment plan to internet but still allow on demand that way. Tv could then be truly IPTV multicast and the only linear things would be news and live events like sports. All regular programs could be placed on a server and 'go live at a certain point! Tv licencing would love it as you could only have TV services that way if you paid your licence and the licence would be tied to your node! The service could allow you to have just basic 'freeview/freesat' like services that only requires your TV licence, but also allows you to buy ether Sky, BT, Virgin or any other pay tv package all down the one line! If you buy more than one you can split the signal to any box that the pay TV service gives you and a normal TV for the basic stuff, even daisy chain through the pay tv box, meaning all pay TV boxes would have to offer a pass through so would any TVs! This would do away with dishes and aerials, expect perhaps using dishes as a way to get the multicast services if you didn't have fibre to your home for any reason, say if it was a mobile home? You could even get broadband and landline services though that method instead of having the satellites instead of using the satellite for direct to home tv broadcasts only. That would also plug the lack of fibre to the home whist it was rolled out! The government could initiate this kind of efficiency if they got off their behind and actually did some more meaningful stuff! (as if) |
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You comparing pay TV with 3D? A different thing to be honest. Pay Tv will not vanish, it will change with more people hopefully wanting to watch what they want when they want and because someone sit in a office and say we will put Jamie Oliver can't cook on at 7.30pm on Monday and after that we will stick some other crap on because people will keep watching it as they can not be bothered to change channels.
It will come a time when we can switch on our Tv, pick up the remote and watch what we want at any time and with a standard UI, not a miss match we have now. I can dream. However, at the end of the day do I care? I saw the light and moved to FTA TV and it's the best thing I have done in a long time plus I have saved a shed load of cash. |
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BT is more expensive than any other large provider on their broadband service, but that is normal for BT, always been expensive and that will never change.
I think if you look at the regulators rules governing prices BT are forced to charge a tad more than the opposition.They could seriously undercut the opposition but then the other players would immediately cry 'foul' and accuse BT of abusing their position as the dominant provider. There has been plenty such skirmishes in the past. It is therefore a somewhat artificial structure. |
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I think if you look at the regulators rules governing prices BT are forced to charge a tad more than the opposition.
They could seriously undercut the opposition but then the other players would immediately cry 'foul' and accuse BT of abusing their position as the dominant provider. There has been plenty such skirmishes in the past. It is therefore a somewhat artificial structure. As far as I was aware, BT Openreach run the network, and sell to the providers at a set price (including BT retail), and they have to charge the same price to all, so as not to be unfair to the competition, how the retail arm then sells onwards is up to them, that's how I understood it. |
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No, Virgin haven't spent billions on football rights, but the do have a very similar package structure to Sky which you said would be their downfall and you could see them closing shop in a few years, just wondered if your eairler assertion included them too.
.....and Sky Sports - and yet you say Sky is restrictive/expensive. Pease correct me if I'm wrong, for a BT customer to gain access to Sky Sports (2 channels), would cost them near on £70 a month, so you don't regard that as restrictive/expensive? So with Sky out the way, who would get the majority of football rights, BT? So you would be happy with that, you'd even turn a blind eye to the footballers getting fatter wage packets? I'm not sure where you're getting this £70 a month figure from, if I wanted Sky Sports 1 and 2 right now (which I don't) my monthly sub would come out to around £59-£60. I think both Sky and BT, but particularly the former, overestimate the importance of football rights. I think there should be what is becoming g increasingly prevalent in the States: an OTT Premier League pass type service on streaming platforms where fans can have greater control of what they watch and are not tied down to their cable or satellite providers contracts just for one sport. Quote:
That is what I said.
It depend son what you get for your money at the end of the day and also do not forget that BT Tv, just like Talk Talk is relying on a a broadband service that is still a bit ropy in this country. Bt have cut down the advance line rental a lot, but then so have all the others. I was going to pay all at once when I changed to plusnet, but decided against it, I may still change my mind once I get back to work, if i can. BT is more expensive than any other large provider on their broadband service, but that is normal for BT, always been expensive and that will never change. Sky also offers offer you more for your money in the amount of channels you get for the money, if you want them or not is another matter, the fact is they have it. BT You View offers a lot fewer channels. The problem I also see on BT web site is that it is difficult to make comparisons. I just been on to Sky Website and i can see at a glance that The Variety Bundle would cost me £28 a month after 6 months, and £17.25 before that. I go to BT web site and they tell me that Infinity one with Tv and weekend calls would cost me £12.50 a month plus £16.99 month line rental + £49 activation fee Ok, that is fine, but for how long and how much will the price rise to after the offer? BT is awful for that. I am not on sky or BT side here, I think both are over priced to be honest. I think both companies are going to lose customers, they both paid over the top for that silly game called football and they will need to claw the money back somehow. The problem is it is the people who have no interest in football or sport that will pay. BT will hike it line rental up and sky will hike it entertainment channel prices up as well. TBH, I hope it hits then both, but people just seems to keep on paying and paying huge amounts of money for mainly trash and a lot of stuff they do not watch. Sure I am paying for stuff I do not watch on Netflix, but it is only £6 a month and it is there when I want to watch it. Still got to rely on our broadband mind you, even when I change providers. But as you said, it is up to people, if they want to spend that amount of money. |
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Yes I think Virgin would also be in peril if they also didn't rethink their business model.
I'm not sure where you're getting this £70 a month figure from, if I wanted Sky Sports 1 and 2 right now (which I don't) my monthly sub would come out to around £59-£60. Your monthly sub would be the £74.25 inclusive of line rental which you have take out so needs to be added, I know you pay in advance but it's still a contributing factor. |
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Do you have a link to this information?
As far as I was aware, BT Openreach run the network, and sell to the providers at a set price (including BT retail), and they have to charge the same price to all, so as not to be unfair to the competition, how the retail arm then sells onwards is up to them, that's how I understood it. It's not about Openreach prices more about what BT can sell it to consumers for. Look at the Market 1 exchanges, that's another strange one. Plusnet will charge you much less at an exchange where there is competition than one where there is no competition i.e. M1. Now why does the regulator allow companies to do this? In effect the ISP are saying we know you are a captive audience and so we don't need to be competitive. |
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