First have a read of this if you are not aware of the possible effects of Epilepsy on Personality - http://www.epilepsy.com/article/2014...ic-personality


The consider. If mocking Linda Nolan's arms is "off limits" because they were caused by her illness, Then why would it be OK to mock or criticise any aspect of Katie H's personality, considering there is a good chance her stronger personality traits could well be down to her illness?

Or are some effects of illness "fair game", While others are off limits?

Discuss.

Getting some interesting debates out of Katie H !

All good..

I meant that as in its interesting good.. :/

You have a point actually because some of what katie h says probably isn't her fault or she doesn't mean

The piece seems quite speculative and I suggest taking it with a grain of salt. It says at the bottom: In the end, it appears that the full range of behavioral features of the interictal personality disorder or "epileptic personality" is very rarely seen in a single individual. The link between this syndrome and epilepsy is strongly questioned.

Is it in the DSM-V? Even if it is, plenty of people will tell you that the DSM itself is a work of fiction designed to drum up business for those in the shrinking profession. Mental health problems are not straightforward to diagnose correctly due to lack of observable physical symptoms.

As far as Katie Hopkins goes, she would dismiss any suggestion that she is mentally impaired due to her epilepsy, and I doubt very much that she would thank anyone for pitying her or making allowances for her on account of it.

This I think. There is a view that all anti-social behaviour is due in some way to mental disorders - so on that basis noone could be judged for anything.

So we make an initial distinction between physical characteristics and social behaviour - and then make more allowance. We would , for instance, consider it bad form to take a dim view of someone with tourettes shouting obscenities but make a different judgement of someone not with tourettes.

So we might have some sympathy with Katie's anti-social tendencies - were it not for the fact that not only does she not acknowledge them - she revels in them.

At which point judgement becomes inevitable.

The article appears to clearly debunk the notion of a link between personality disorder and epilepsy so it probably wasn't the best choice to make your point.
Having said that there is other, more substantial research out there that might be worth looking at.
If a clear and provable link can be found then it may make a difference to people's perception of her but as it stands the link is tenuous at best and I'm not so sure the untramelled right wing poison she pedals can be laid at the door of her epilepsy.

I think it's ok to discuss her epilepsy in relation to her behavioural disorders. It's the disorder which is being held up as virtuous and worthy of merit by some. Mature, healthy people do not behave the way she does. Mocking her because of her epilepsy is not acceptable.

In the end, it appears that the full range of behavioral features of the interictal personality disorder or "epileptic personality" is very rarely seen in a single individual. The link between this syndrome and epilepsy is strongly questioned.

Whilst Linda Nolan's arm is a direct product of cancer, in the same way a colostomy bag would be, or lack of hair, the link between epilepsy and certain behaviours is disputed.
Even so, should all behaviour that arises from a mental health disorder be 'off limits' because of the illness? I don't think so. Paedophilia is a punishable psychiatric disorder, and so it should be.
I believe KH is fully aware of the offence she causes, and actually enjoys it. It isn't something 'she can't help', she actively chooses to cause offence.

Hopkins wouldnt thank anyone for anything.. not her style.... she thinks she is deserving of adulation and all that comes her way.. she sees her epilepsy as a failure abd embarrassment,I feel, and something shes not in control of... how she hid it so long though in the army training I dont know.... but then she hid it well in the Jungle..

You have no idea how her epilepsy has affected her. Pure speculation. She also has an equivocal and incongruous relationship with honesty. She's psychologically anchored at the beginning of her own puberty and that was way before her epilepsy began.

You are right. She seems to have hid it. From the public/media. Which is her choice to do that. But it's a shame because it's an opportunity to discuss further re: awareness etc. but maybe she does see it as a failure? Or maybe she thinks it's none of anyone's buisness?

I read in a couple of articles posted on this thread that Katie reports her arms dislocate every two weeks because of seizures associated with her epilepsy. She has to be hospitalised every 10 days on average apparently.

I guess she was just lucky in the house - unless she exaggerates her condition. She did say the house seemed to cure her epilepsy. Maybe she could go in permanently - good for her - good for us - every one a winner.

Surely that's the kind of tough love Katie would support?

Unless she says so herself I don't think we can say her personality is down to her illness. I don't think it's for me to speculate on her epilepsy.

I judge her on her personality, we all are judged on that. If a person did act in a different way and I found out it was because of a condition I would be more understanding. I have a friend with aspergers who would say some pretty inappropriate things, like comments on peoples appearance, but because I am aware there was no malice behind it I don't take it personally. They didn't revel in hurting or insulting people they just made social mistakes sometimes.

For KH I have more of a problem with the programmes that put her on just for the controversy or the newspapers that report every rude tweet she makes. There are plenty of trolls about but not many are getting a big platform.

This.

I felt a lot of sympathy when I saw Katie describing her epilepsy in an interview with The Guardian. But I'm not sure I see her particular personality represented in the article the OP posted, e.g. "deepened emotions". In fact, she's the total opposite of a lot of those traits...

Emotionality

Mania

Depression

Guilt

Humorlessness

Altered sexual interest

Aggression

Anger and hostility

Hypergraphia (excessive writing)

Religiosity

Philosophical interest

Sense of personal destiny

Hypermoralism

Dependency

Paranoia

Obsessionalism

Circumstantiality

Viscosity

Noooooo, Droogie, as if!
Lets start a petition, purely out of humanitarian altruistic concern to secure her permanent residence, with a heavy secure lock. She'd be fighting with the furniture on the first day.

I feel the while the article refutes the theory of an "epileptic personality" that exhibits all these traits, it was a handy list of traits already individually theorised.

As others have suggested, KH would be the last person to draw attention to these points.

She's fortunate to be in the 21st century when we have a good understanding of epilepsy and that society is empathetic to those with the condition. 500 years ago she would have been condemned as a witch or possessed by evil.

I agree.

I can identify 3 out of 17?

A definitive nay to the motion.

I guess people are incapable of reading.
An article has been posted a few times, where Katie says herself that her "abrasive" style comes from her admiration of drill sergeant majors - it's been quoted many times i quoted it myself in response to this same argument in the other thread together with an interview Katie gave to an Epilepsy charity.What happened? the argument stopped and a new thread is opened with the same accusations it in. Even when she says herself her personality is nothing to do with her epilepsy her "fans" won't listen. This leads me to suspect this thread is just bait to flog some more dead horses.

i can't see that there'd be any argument. Disclocation free existence or clogging up the NHS every 10 days.

I can't imagine why she hasn't suggested it herself.

When is she going to learn to be less selfish? Doctors are busy people you know!

Makes perfect sense to me.

Unless she has her own private ambulance and A& E dept.

She must have as she deplores anyone selfishly draining the "poor" peoples services.

She told us and her altruism shone through, with her 3 kids having to suffer the indignity of Private Education freeing up places( in the State schools she loves and highly values) for the poor kids.

Erm, not quite sure where you are coming from here?

If a person is predisposed to a type of behaviour by a neurological condition, are you suggesting the person would know this to be the case?

How do you think this would work? Would they get a letter from the ' epilepsy fairy' or something?

Of course she is going to attribute it to ordinary experiences.

Yup! I'm puzzled again. I thought she told it like it was, says what we are all thinking, is witty, intelligent and basically above reproach by looney left wingers. So which is it? Brain damaged or the aforementioned marvel of humanity?
The Labour party must have swelled enormously in numbers since she graced us with such a powerful, influential presence.

discuss LOL In the previous Three of four threads in which i listed WHY i felt KH was deeply affected my her brain injury, No one commented back.

While i expect people may not have experience with brain injured people or even want to give a judgement, I have been saying it all along.

She has chosen a perfect job for her narrow abilities. Its just sad that she's damaged so many other families with her impulse control issues. Katie told us on the show that she was told she was missing a part of her brain. That is very telling.