Well i've repeatedly answered the questions you are asking in response to other posters asking them and to be honest i'm losing the will to live reading the same old facile deflections again and again so i won't be writing it all out for the hundredth time.
Read the other threads where it has been discussed at length. Repeatedly.There have been many threads on this subject.

So Katie attributes her personality to something other than your supposition, epilepsy charities and Katie herself are extremely keen to get people with epilepsy treated as "normal", the very article you linked to refutes your supposition but still you persist?
Non amusing quips about "epilepsy fairies" don't help any discussion, but do confirm my thoughts about this being a bait thread, enjoy flogging the dead horse.

The DSM-V has existed for years and its not a work of fiction, its a book of symptomology and theory. Many mental health problems ARE able to be diagnosed IF the patient is truthful about their physical symptoms. THe doctor doesnt LIVE with them 24/7 a day so any observable symptoms would only be from an hour appt .

I'm sure KH would dismiss that she is mentally impaired. BUT that isnt what we are talking about. Its about whether her personality can be explained by her brain injury.

that answer is yes.

When i see kh trying to shove thru her opinion, usually based on her GUT not real fact, she is singlemindedly focused. As soon as anyone else asks a direct question or tries to get her to explain, KH will deflect, change the subject, start repeating her 'catchphrases' to cover the fact she is Completely incapable of thinking fast enough and clear enough to logically make her point.

impulse control, lack of empathy, there are many symptoms of brain injured patients. And yes, someone having nightly seizures from missing brain IS brain injured.

There is certainly something perpetually adolescent in her behaviours.

There is a theory of addiction that infers that an addict becomes emotionally 'stuck' at the age they first got addicted. Perhaps there I some truth in that for KH and her disease too.

She certainly reminds me of an angry teenager.

Reading some of the posts on this forum, it's a lot more recent than 500 years

Well, i think KH is very aware of her issue. I'd like to know why she is choosing not to be on medication and why she feels having severe shoulder disconnecting seizures is 'better' for her.

considering the impairment and calming effect of epilepsy meds, including a side of lack of focus and effect of weight gain, i think KH chooses not to treat her brain injury.

SHE is very aware she has issues and makes up little stories to cover...like the drill sargent story. People in early stages of Dementia or Alzheimers also are often aware they are having problems but become experts at making up little cover stories so the family doesnt clue in and treat them differently.

this fear of being treated like someone 'ill' is a barrier to acceptance.

In KH case, when she deeply hurts people she sloughs it off as a Joke or Just saying what everyone is thinking. She uses her lack of impulse control as part of what she does.

the last thing she'd want is to be fully treated and become fat and dull foggy thinking. (caused by meds)

personally, i think thats how she gained all that weight. Bet she was trying out some meds to see what the side effects were.

I think it's more that she needs to deny her femininity and assume the extreme male aggressor role in everything, for whatever reason but certainly a good dollop of paternal issues. Puberty is a hugely threatening time for such issues and she's anchored herself at the start of it. Her sexuality has been used as a weapon to steal attached men(paternal gratification and security) and have control over wrecking established wives and families, without any remorse. What's that revenge for?

She hid her condition it seems to try and get rhough her training at Sandhurst... now if this woman has these seizures a lot how did she think she would be of any use in the forces, all she would have been is a liability and hindrance. Shes not a team player at all and I wonder why she ever wanted into the armed forces..was it to prove to her parents that she could do this....or was it even deeper. to fight back and show how tough she could be with something that happened in her past....She might even have hated and was embarrassed so much by her condition that she tried to hide it from the world and maybe fight through it even kidding herself... Will we ever know,,I doubt it....shes happy in her own bent world.. where rules dont seem to matter... I wonder if she ever had friends, but doubt it.. shes a one woman show..

I really find this thread very sad.

I don't know why you've done it.

Do you realise you could cause a lot of harm doing a thread like this?

I have a neighbour who has a daughter who suffers with epilepsy and is a very pleasant person. I've known them for many years. I'm sure there are epilepsy sufferers who have all kinds of different side effects and can have personality changes that come across as frustration and feeling angry at their disability. I also knew a Mum many years ago through my childrens school who suffered with epilepsy and I've never knew her once to behave like Katie Hopkins. I have never known either of these two people to take their illness out on anyone.

You mention Linda Nolan's illness in comparison to K H's illness, but I have never seen anyone insult K H just for her epilepsy.

You need to take responsibility for the fact that with your thread you could be stigmatizing those who suffer with epilepsy as being very unpleasant people and considering there are thousands who read these forums on DS.

Did you just do it because you supported a Housemate in a reality show?

Or did you find a need to excuse K H's behaviour?

That article you posted completely refutes your point...so no there is not a good chance her stronger personality traits could be down to her illness. It says it in the article you posted. Did you even read the article?

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...6&postcount=17

Yes I read that post. The article states there is no connection so your point is invalid.

I moaned about the overuse of the word 'ignorant' earlier, but I don't think i've seen a post that it really applies to more than that one.

Katie Hopkins DOES take medication for her epilepsy.

"I take loads of medication but there comes a point where it doesn’t get rid of it altogether."


So, you've completely made up the entire basis of your argument, which is pretty bad and really isn't a good look for you.

Am I in the twilight zone here???

Please elaborate


A little presumptuous to assume that two cases you are familiar with represent the entire affected spectrum of a disorder to say the least, don't you think?


KH Didn't insult Linda Nolan for her cancer either, but many are quick to Judge KH on what could be (point of discussion) traits brought on or exacerbated by her condition (i.e Hypocritical)



Rubbish! A few paragraphs back you were suggesting that the entire spectrum of symptoms should be in line with the two cases YOU are familiar with, that, if anything is stigmatising.

Yes, I supported KH in CBB, People are happy to demonise KH with any stick they can find, I am looking at the notion that some of these 'sticks' can work both ways.

Funny, when I click it my reply shows? ah well, I'll cut and paste the reply for you.

"I feel the while the article refutes the theory of an "epileptic personality" that exhibits all these traits, it was a handy list of traits already individually theorised.

As others have suggested, KH would be the last person to draw attention to these points."

One things for certain, epileptics can't drive. I wonder if she puts her taxi fares in to be offset against her taxes?

You still don't have a point.

"Could be" means nothing. It isn't brought on by her condition, as evidenced in the article you posted. So again your point is moot.

The "point" of this discussion seems to be trying to justify KH's actions. There is no justification.

Yes dear.

BIB. 1. I already did. Did you miss it?

BIB. 2. I didn't presume anything of the kind. But, what I did was point out to you that not everyone suffering from epilepsy is unpleasant as KH. Did you miss that?

BIB 3. Please don't twist my post. I gave two examples of people who suffer from epilepsy and don't go round being unpleasant to others. Did you miss that?

BIB. 4. She sure did. If not when Linda was in CBB, but certainly on LW recently. Did you miss that?

BIB. 5. So you come up with this thread which basically stigmatises those who suffer with epilepsy just to get your own back? I haven't missed that.

It really isn't 'evidenced' in the article posted, nothing is proved in the article you claim to have read, it is merely being suggested that ALL these traits occurring together in an 'epileptic personality' is unlikely.

I posted that article as it had a handy list of PERSONALITY TRAITS THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO EPILEPSY - I prefixed with "first have a read of this if you are not aware of the possible effects of Epilepsy on Personality -"

An article is an article!! It cannot prove or disprove anything, for that you need a STUDY (and preferably not just an observational one)

As an aside, I must say people reading articles thinking they see 'evidence' is why we have newspapers and TV show's full of rubbish and misinformation like "Red meat gives you cancer" and the like.

There several different types of Epilepsy each having its own effect on the person concerned however not all of those who have Epilepsy behave as KH does. We also don't know the frequency of her seizures or which type of Epilepsy she has and how she feels after the seizure be it Petit Mal (Absences) or perhaps Grand Mal. I don't think one can generalise at all with regards this particular illness. Here is some more information concerning Epilepsy .

http://www.thebarrow.org/Neurologica...pilepsy/204351
http://www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/?g...FSMOwwodWkcAXg

Yes, yes and yes.....she really is a fascinating character, eh?!

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Yes she did. Both when Linda was in CBB, countess times and on Loose Women. You are nitpicking to protect KH. She doesn't care so I don't know why you do.



Good so perhaps you can answer my post above please.

Yes. Self-destructive and anyone her dysfunctional psyche unconsciously needs to punish and try to destroy, she'll be right onto it.