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Katie H and her Epilepsy.
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Dr Z
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“ Originally Posted by anne_666
Yup! I'm puzzled again. I thought she told it like it was, says what we are all thinking, is witty, intelligent and basically above reproach by looney left wingers. So which is it? Brain damaged or the aforementioned marvel of humanity?



Good so perhaps you can answer my post above please.”

Really? You want to take a complex issue concerning how epilepsy may or may not cause a predisposition to any number of personality traits, ... and call it "Brain Damage"?

Nice, Very classy.
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Yup! I'm puzzled again. I thought she told it like it was, says what we are all thinking, is witty, intelligent and basically above reproach by looney left wingers. So which is it?
Brain damaged or the aforementioned marvel of humanity?
The Labour party must have swelled enormously in numbers since she graced us with such a powerful, influential presence.”

Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Really? You want to take a complex issue concerning how epilepsy may or may not cause a predisposition to any number of personality traits, ... and call it "Brain Damage"?

Nice, Very classy. ”

A not so neat attempt at a swerve The BIB, as if you didn't know?

FYI as you are so indignant about my use of brain damage

https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/tre...us-epilepticus

Just what do you understand about epilepsy?

And don't personally attack me please.
Dr Z
14-02-2015
Do you not think its a possibility that both could be applicable?
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Do you not think its a possibility that both could be applicable?”

So are you saying your opinion of her foul behaviour has changed?
postit
14-02-2015
Apparently hopkins also broke her back

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/4...-first-husband

Yeah I know, but it's her quote...

She really does have rotten luck
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by postit:
“Apparently hopkins also broke her back

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/4...-first-husband

Yeah I know, but it's her quote...

She really does have rotten luck”

Do we choose to believe that new snippet, I wonder? Compassion alert. Yes what a tough soldier she is!

Quote:
“Claiming she likes to write about hard-working people, she said: "I couldn’t give one toot about celebrities and their vacuous lives, their endless fascination with themselves or constant hypochondria.”

This is hilarious, the woman mainly kept by men, while she pretends to be a successful hard working high flier of the business world and seeking like a rat up a drainpipe any kind of z list status she can find.
Who the hell falls for this tripe!
postit
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Do we choose to believe that new snippet, I wonder? Compassion alert. Yes what a tough soldier she is!

This is hilarious, the woman mainly kept by men, while she pretends to be a successful hard working high flier of the business world and seeking like a rat up a drainpipe any kind of z list status she can find.
Who the hell falls for this tripe! ”

Just those few who don't belong to the Bathroom Beauties
yellowlabbie
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Do we choose to believe that new snippet, I wonder? Compassion alert. Yes what a tough soldier she is!



This is hilarious, the woman mainly kept by men, while she pretends to be a successful hard working high flier of the business world and seeking like a rat up a drainpipe any kind of z list status she can find.
Who the hell falls for this tripe! ”

Well they fell for the Katie Price tripe so why not.
Ms Ann Thrope
14-02-2015
If she does have personality changes inflicted by her epilepsy, surely it would be better for her not to be trotted out by the media as a figure of fun the way she is? They don't really have any respect for her ridiculous views, they are making a mockery of her and exploiting her shock value to further their own ends.

They would be roundly castigated for doing that to someone who had suffered an actual brain injury and come out with the stuff she comes out with. She should be retired off for her own good, out of respect for the fact that she may not be in possession of the full shilling.
Dr Z
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“A not so neat attempt at a swerve The BIB, as if you didn't know?

FYI as you are so indignant about my use of brain damage

https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/tre...us-epilepticus

Just what do you understand about epilepsy?

And don't personally attack me please.”

Yes, that link suggests that if someone has a seizure that lasts more than 30 minutes it could cause brain damage or death - not sure I see the relevance here though?

And just to clarify I did not personally attack you, I'm just a little disgusted by your dismissal of epilepsy as brain damage.
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Yes, that link suggests that if someone has a seizure that lasts more than 30 minutes it could cause brain damage or death - not sure I see the relevance here though?

And just to clarify I did not personally attack you, I'm just a little disgusted by your dismissal of epilepsy as brain damage.”

Yes you did personally attack me.

I give up on expecting anything but side stepping to attack me now.

What do you call anyone who's brain function is damaged by epileptic seizures?
I went to the trouble of linking some medical information.
Why you choose to see that medical fact, brain damage, as an insult and an excuse to attack me, whilst persistently ignoring the questions I've asked you, is more to the point.
trevor tiger
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“First have a read of this if you are not aware of the possible effects of Epilepsy on Personality - http://www.epilepsy.com/article/2014...ic-personality


The consider. If mocking Linda Nolan's arms is "off limits" because they were caused by her illness, Then why would it be OK to mock or criticise any aspect of Katie H's personality, considering there is a good chance her stronger personality traits could well be down to her illness?

Or are some effects of illness "fair game", While others are off limits?

Discuss.”

On the one hand it would be very interesting to hear what Katie herself would think of such a reasoning behind her character but on the other having read the link there is nothing to suggest lambasting weak individuals or weak sections of society is any part of an epileptic personality.

So keep slamming her folks I think she'd thank you for it as it's better than the alternative
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Well they fell for the Katie Price tripe so why not.”

I think Katie Price, for good or ill, makes her money independently, by actually working at it and being a very astute business woman. Surely that cannot be denied no matter how we regard her. Hopkins looks on in malicious envy.
Dr Z
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Yes you did personally attack me.

I give up on expecting anything but side stepping to attack me now.

What do you call anyone who's brain function is damaged by epileptic seizures?
I went to the trouble of linking some medical information.
Why you choose to see that medical fact, brain damage, as an insult and an excuse to attack me, whilst persistently ignoring the questions I've asked you, is more to the point.”

*sigh* Not every epileptic has "brain damage caused by seizures" - although Brain Damage can be caused by seizures.

Also, Epilepsy CAN be caused BY brain damage. BUT that doesn't mean Epilepsy=brain damage - its possible for an epileptic to have seizures WITHOUT ever having had brain damage, and not cause any further damage either.

Epilepsy DOES NOT = Brain damage

Is there an Ignore/Block button on this forum?
sula
14-02-2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-epilepsy.html

In this article she mentions 'front temporal lobe' abnormalities. I've heard of frontal lobe and temporal lobe but perhaps someone here with more knowledge knows if 'front temporal' is a thing.

She fits the profile for; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosom..._lobe_epilepsy

Its accepted that the frontal lobe helps to mediate appropriate restraint in social situations so perhaps her 'foot in mouth' persona is less controlled than she would have us believe.
trevor tiger
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by sula:
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-epilepsy.html

In this article she mentions 'front temporal lobe' abnormalities. I've heard of frontal lobe and temporal lobe but perhaps someone here with more knowledge knows if 'front temporal' is a thing.

She fits the profile for; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosom..._lobe_epilepsy

Its accepted that the frontal lobe helps to mediate appropriate restraint in social situations so perhaps her 'foot in mouth' persona is less controlled than she would have us believe.”

Love it. So she truly isn't naturally gifted in the acerbic sound bite it's just a damaged frontal lobe. Never mind us not having a go at her for what is the result of an illness, I actually think she would be a lot more injured by being patronised instead
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“*sigh* Not every epileptic has "brain damage caused by seizures" - although Brain Damage can be caused by seizures.

Also, Epilepsy CAN be caused BY brain damage. BUT that doesn't mean Epilepsy=brain damage - its possible for an epileptic to have seizures WITHOUT ever having had brain damage, and not cause any further damage either.

Epilepsy DOES NOT = Brain damage

Is there an Ignore/Block button on this forum?”

More nonsensical evasion and no answer to my questions again accompanied by more personal attack. Thank you, that tells me all I need to know,

Moving along now to some real and genuine discussion.
anne_666
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by postit:
“Just those few who don't belong to the Bathroom Beauties ”

And we certainly are beauties.
nitpikkin2
14-02-2015
Originally Posted by sula:
“The article appears to clearly debunk the notion of a link between personality disorder and epilepsy so it probably wasn't the best choice to make your point.
Having said that there is other, more substantial research out there that might be worth looking at.
If a clear and provable link can be found then it may make a difference to people's perception of her but as it stands the link is tenuous at best and I'm not so sure the untramelled right wing poison she pedals can be laid at the door of her epilepsy.”

Although there are neurological studies that show that having right wing ideas is a sickness. Why I dismiss this entire line of thought is because it leads to the gulag. Once you start to attribute mental disorders to political view points you start to create divides based on science that increasingly takes place behind the closed doors of the laboratory which nobody can challenge. We are moving into an increasingly technocratic world in which through the say so of this or that scientist damaging decisions are made. As I've said before, it might be satisfying to call Hopkins a sociopath or explain away her behaviour by attributing her views to brain damage, but for the majority, taking what little science there is about the brain and diagnosing who is fit and healthy and who is not is potentially very damaging. I'm just going to mention the witch hunts which were based on determining whether women were possessed and relied on the Church to make that decision. We're coming close to doing the same here when we hold Hopkins up as the embodiment of evil.
sula
15-02-2015
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“Although there are neurological studies that show that having right wing ideas is a sickness. Why I dismiss this entire line of thought is because it leads to the gulag. Once you start to attribute mental disorders to political view points you start to create divides based on science that increasingly takes place behind the closed doors of the laboratory which nobody can challenge. We are moving into an increasingly technocratic world in which through the say so of this or that scientist damaging decisions are made. As I've said before, it might be satisfying to call Hopkins a sociopath or explain away her behaviour by attributing her views to brain damage, but for the majority, taking what little science there is about the brain and diagnosing who is fit and healthy and who is not is potentially very damaging. I'm just going to mention the witch hunts which were based on determining whether women were possessed and relied on the Church to make that decision. We're coming close to doing the same here when we hold Hopkins up as the embodiment of evil.”

Very good points. There's a very good book, The Female Malady, by Elaine Showalter that talks about the history of so-called 'madness' and state-sponsored punishment of women.
nitpikkin2
15-02-2015
Originally Posted by sula:
“Very good points. There's a very good book, The Female Malady, by Elaine Showalter that talks about the history of so-called 'madness' and state-sponsored punishment of women.”

Interesting. I think it's a really crucial stage from the 1800s in terms of European history. Also that madness is not only socially constructed but psychologically constructed. Will definitely check her out.
Cat-
15-02-2015
We never seen once any evidence of this being true.

Just need to take 'whoever's word for it' ............don't we?

nitpikkin2
15-02-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“We never seen once any evidence of this being true.

Just need to take 'whoever's word for it' ............don't we?

”

?

are you feeling left out? stop being a wall flower and say what you think.
Cat-
15-02-2015
Originally Posted by nitpikkin2:
“?

are you feeling left out? stop being a wall flower and say what you think.”

I'll never be a wall flower and always say what I think.

And here it is:

KH was always staged to be propelled as some kind of talking point via CBB..............win or not.

There you go. Am I right?
Cat-
15-02-2015
i want to know WHY?
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