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Yes they have been blacklisting regarding age in the last few years specifically. For a few notable artists, they have issued statements in the media (e.g. for acts such as Robbie Williams, Take That, Kylie, Madonna). My feelings regarding this matter hasn't changed. I am merely responding to the latest statement in the same way that I did before. If you support a blacklisting agenda that is your prerogative. As it is many people's to question it. And the service it self. Which i reiterate needs to be revised with a new strategy.
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rocket pop,
true, If they are getting 'heavy play' ...maybe that again shows discrepancy. I guess I'm just mentioning this because there is a lack of transparency and variety. Maybe it would help if there was: -a clearer understanding and appreciation of R1 and R2 listeners - a greater variety of shows for different genres and differing audiences. -a broader and balanced clearer playlist criteria for all BBC radio stations to ensure fairness for all and diversity. -greater transparency to ensure that both R1 and R2 selection is not based solely on age. Because the quality of music and its appreciative is not determined by age. Which in essence seems to be a criteria for selection according to recent statements. This would would then enable a healthier system to showcase music from new, upcoming, established and unheard acts, artists and genres. I just find the current bbc radio system narrow, not transparent and generally restrictive of the music output on our two license paying/funded national radio stations. There are exceptions to this of course with certain shows. Maybe a review is just required. What do you think Rocketpop? Are you happy with R1 and R2? |
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What do you think Rocketpop? Are you happy with R1 and R2?
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I didn't realise that they snubbed that track. That's incredibly bad. Second biggest selling song of the year in the UK and the BBC didn't think it was relevant. Unbelievable. Not having a hit in a while (which is what I think it's based on more than age) is such a poor excuse not to playlist a track which so obviously is appealing to youngsters.
I think that was a genuine case of not anticipating a song's potential popularity, but as I say, it shows that ultimately these people who tell their audience what to like, don't really know as much as they like to think... if 'Moves Like Jagger' and 'Candy' became massive hits because people liked the songs, Madonna's new one could easily take off as well. |
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I think this is ridiculous. I haven't liked her last couple of albums at all and I can completely understand them not play listing any of that work, as it just wasn't up to scratch...but her current album is fantastic and her best work in years. The lead single 'Living for Love' doesn't sound old or irrelevant. In fact, it sounds very current.
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Totally ridiculous and unfair. They did the same thing to Robbie and Kylie too.
I'd get it if the song wasn't current or anything but the fact that it's because of her age is just wrong. And she certainly isn't irrelevant if she still generates this much discussion. |
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Yeah although in another good old Radio 1 trend, they have played Maroon 5 songs a lot since then, presumably to try and hide their apparent error of judgement!
I think that was a genuine case of not anticipating a song's potential popularity, but as I say, it shows that ultimately these people who tell their audience what to like, don't really know as much as they like to think... if 'Moves Like Jagger' and 'Candy' became massive hits because people liked the songs, Madonna's new one could easily take off as well. Not many people realise but they also snubbed will.i.am - scream and shout, because it featured Britney !! It infact only made the playlist because of massive pre orders a few days before it's release |
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Living For Love won't be a top 40 hit, and that's the end of it.
The nature and physicality of the UK top 40 chart has changed so much, in a relatively short five or so years, in ways that guarantee Madonna will never feature in it again. Who cares so long as she keeping outputting the music she wants to. I for one will keep on being eager to hear and then buy it
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Doesn't surprise me really. Yes, she's getting on a bit but it's not that, it's just that she's had her day and the charts have moved on. No doubt she'll get played on Radio 2 and all the other stations. I mean, I love Kate Bush but she'll never be played on Radio 1 again and that's fine.
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Better to be on Radio 2 even Radio 4, they have more people listen to those stations then radio 1...what's the big deal if its on 1 or not, many more radio stations out there.
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Weird to think it'll be thirty years this summer since Get Into The Groove topped the charts. Now that was a pop classic!
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Guys this has sparked a massive backlash on social media now against Radio 1. Come and join the group on Facebook! 'Boycott Radio 1' and it's also trending on Twitter, posts on Radio 1's Facebook page age flooded with 'play living for love' and 'stop ageism' comments 😃😃😃😃👍
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As another poster said if Rihanna or Jessie J had released the same song they would have played it. Not playing an artist because they are "too old" or supposedly not relevant is ageist.
Radio 2 doesn't have a "no-one under 30" policy! They play Ed Sheeran, Ellie Goulding, Meghan Trainor, Sam Smith, George Ezra, Hozier, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars and loads of others, and so they should too. As someone in their target audience I want to hear music from a range of people regardless of age. I noticed yesterday that Steve Wright said "here's someone you won't hear on Radio 1“ pause "Madonna"! just before playing the new song! |
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As another poster said if Rihanna or Jessie J had released the same song they would have played it. Not playing an artist because they are "too old" or supposedly not relevant is ageist.
Radio 2 doesn't have a "no-one under 30" policy! They play Ed Sheeran, Ellie Goulding, Meghan Trainor, Sam Smith, George Ezra, Hozier, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars and loads of others, and so they should too. As someone in their target audience I want to hear music from a range of people regardless of age. I noticed yesterday that Steve Wright said "here's someone you won't hear on Radio 1“ pause "Madonna"! just before playing the new song! |
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When they say young people, how old are they talking? I'm 22 and listen to plenty of older music, including Madonna, so why aren't they catering for me? I don't know any people my age who listen to Radio 1, because it's just full of chart crap that no one sane actually enjoys.
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Guys this has sparked a massive backlash on social media now against Radio 1. Come and join the group on Facebook! 'Boycott Radio 1' and it's also trending on Twitter, posts on Radio 1's Facebook page age flooded with 'play living for love' and 'stop ageism' comments 😃😃😃😃👍
Besides that have you ever considered it might not be ageism and they just think Madonna is now crap....it's not like she is offering anything different to what she has done in the past. |
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I bet the majority of those people don't even listen to R1 anyway, I don't need to join a group on facebook, I don't listen to the station, and frankly couldn't care what R1 does. Why do you? what's so important if it's on that station or not, it's not the most listened to station? why does it matter if Madonna charts high or not?
Besides that have you ever considered it might not be ageism and they just think Madonna is now crap....it's not like she is offering anything different to what she has done in the past. Its rightly got peoples backs up and its about time. I always knew Madonna would end up leading the battle against ageism eventually. Its probably going to be the defining moment of her latter career and people still try to claim this woman isn't relevant! Madonna is probably the most relevant right now than she has been since the early 00s. Ageism is no different to racism or homophobia and in a world which has more people over the age of 50 than it does under it, ageism has no place in modern society. |
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I think you miss the point about what has got people so angry. Its as said above, had Rihanna released Living For Love it would have been playlisted. The song is very much current and relevant and for all we know might hit number 1 in a few weeks time, which I hope it does. Radio One aren't playlisting it because its a woman who is almost 60. They can dress it up how they like but that's the truth of it and its angered people.
Its rightly got peoples backs up and its about time. I always knew Madonna would end up leading the battle against ageism eventually. Its probably going to be the defining moment of her latter career and people still try to claim this woman isn't relevant! Madonna is probably the most relevant right now than she has been since the early 00s. Ageism is no different to racism or homophobia and in a world which has more people over the age of 50 than it does under it, ageism has no place in modern society. |
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I think you miss the point about what has got people so angry. Its as said above, had Rihanna released Living For Love it would have been playlisted. The song is very much current and relevant and for all we know might hit number 1 in a few weeks time, which I hope it does. Radio One aren't playlisting it because its a woman who is almost 60. They can dress it up how they like but that's the truth of it and its angered people.
Its rightly got peoples backs up and its about time. I always knew Madonna would end up leading the battle against ageism eventually. Its probably going to be the defining moment of her latter career and people still try to claim this woman isn't relevant! Madonna is probably the most relevant right now than she has been since the early 00s. Ageism is no different to racism or homophobia and in a world which has more people over the age of 50 than it does under it, ageism has no place in modern society. |
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Radio 1 have responded:
"Radio 1 does not ban anyone - please don't believe the papers. The tracks played on Radio 1 are chosen on musical merit and relevance to our young audience on a case by case basis, and whilst around 40% of the country's 15-29-year-olds tune into Radio 1 each week, an artist's age is never a factor In fact, Paul McCartney currently has two tracks - "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" - on the Radio 1 playlist." I'm sorry but this response is pitiful from Radio 1. Has Madonna not earned her musical merit yet despite being one of the biggest pop artists ever? The BBC need to grow a pair and explain specifically why this particular Madonna track hasn't been playlisted. Avoiding mentioning her in the response is pathetic. As for the Paul McCartney reference, they conveniently forget to mention that Kanye West and Rihanna are the main artists on those tracks. Are the BBC seriously trying to tell us that if Paul McCartney released a solo single they'd consider playing it on Radio 1? |
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Are the BBC seriously trying to tell us that if Paul McCartney released a solo single they'd consider playing it on Radio 1?
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On the flip side I doubt McCartney fans would give a toss, same as nearly every other act who Radio 1 decide not to play - It's just Madonna fans as usual with some weird sense of entitlement for their 'queen'.
The problem Madonna has with people such as yourself, and you highlight this in every Madonna thread you post in by the way, is that some just hate her regardless so latch onto anything to knock her down. This time its not working so its 'lets attack her fans'' instead. Bitterness is so ugly. |
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On the flip side I doubt McCartney fans would give a toss, same as nearly every other act who Radio 1 decide not to play - It's just Madonna fans as usual with some weird sense of entitlement for their 'queen'.
Equally I'm not a Madonna fan and I don't really like the song but the BBC have got this one wrong and seriously need to look at how they pick their playlist. |
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Or just people standing up for what they believe is wrong. I read most of the comments on Facebook and Twitter and a large majority of them don't even seem to be coming from Madonna fans but people who see Radio 1 as irrelevant itself.
The problem Madonna has with people such as yourself, and you highlight this in every Madonna thread you post in by the way, is that some just hate her regardless so latch onto anything to knock her down. This time its not working so its 'lets attack her fans'' instead. Bitterness is so ugly. If people see R1 as irrelevant why do they care if the song is played or not. As I said the song is still getting played by the company on R2. |
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