I never seen Matt's posts as infuriated. I actually see his posts as trying to keep on topic and argue his point calmy without personal insults.

I also think it's a load of rubbish this idea the Katie H is 'admired' mostly - I've hardly seen people claim this. I think most really just dont get riled by her comments and can sometimes see irony/humour etc etc as people have said.

This idea that Katie is worshipped is far fetched. Might be the odd person that does but that is about it.

I do not admire her, I enjoyed her on a telly show. I loved how she stood up to be counted when Perez so clearly was on his campaign to get as many HMs tossed as possible. I loved how she stood up to him when Alex walked and I loved the relationship she had with Michelle and many of the others. I do have to wonder if the horrible Perez hadn't been in if I would have liked her so much.

I work in a profession predominantly filled with colleagues who lean quite far to the left. I some from a family that leans into the right and I have wavered from those beginnings to then be with my colleagues...and now as age moves on I am more inclined to sit to the right. Many things she writes and says are over the top and explosive, but I see kernels of truth and reality in many of her words.

In response to your inane list:

Does anyone have an unwavering stance on feminism? I think the simple answer to that is no. I am very much a believer in many of the cornerstones of feminism, but not all. And...I like to be treated like a woman. I like having doors held open for me, men walking to the outside of the pavements, being cuddled when I cry, having the respect for being hard when I need to be and soft when I want to be. I do not believe women deserve special allowances simply because they are women any more than I think men do.

Is it her satisfaction at stealing married men? People can not be 'stolen' from a marriage. They make a conscious decision every second an affair is going on and when they make their choice to leave a marriage, it is their choice. I hold my disdain for the men who made a decision to betray the women and families they were meant to protect.

Is it about the epilepsy and broken back? I have no more knowledge about the private details of her illness than you do. I do not see this as having any bearing on the words she says or writes. I think this question is more a reflection on your attitude and intelligence than on hers.

Also if someone does admire her. Then thats fine. I might not understand it but that's why the OP asks the question I guess..

For me.. I admire people like Davina McCall who gets up and does something that has meaning and can inspire others and have an impact on lives.. as part of her media presence.

Something like this perhaps?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/631566163637295/

I have no idea about that. I do know she has been very vocal about sugar and effects of sugar. I also admire her will power strength to overcome addiction. And I certainly admire what she achieved for sports relief.

Oh you mean like the time she called Palestianians "filthy rodents" and adovocated for a bombing campaign against them? Hil-AAAAAAAAAA-rious! My sides are splitting! How I wish people people got how funny the death of Palestinians are, clearly they just don't get her humour making them much more vile than she can ever be(!) :'(

She entertained me the most in the show, show being the operative word here.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with her per se.
It's not a popularity contest, it never was. It's an entertainment show.
I had never heard of her before she went in and will take no interest now it's over.
How people can get so excercised about such a bunch of has been losers really fascinates me.
They have had their 5 minutes to try to revitalise their sorry flagging mostly pathetic careers . Who actually gives a damn about any of them ?

There will always be something you can pick holes in or get infuriated by with regards to what she says. And admittedly there are things that she says that just aren't funny. Or lack empathy or understanding and can be labelled ignorant.

There are moments that are tongue in cheek have irony or a deliberate sense of hypocrisy. Satire..
Not many but there are.

My opinions about Katie Hopkins have been written on various threads where I've detailed, fully, why I was a fan of hers in the show.

I don't like being goaded to reply immediately when somebody demands to know why I support her. If they didn't read my detailed reasons when they were given, that was their oversight, not mine.

I'm not even sure 'admiration comes into my feelings about Katie. Perhaps I do admire the way she copes with a life-threatening condition like epilepsy, particularly the rare and serious form that she has. Being disabled myself, I respect others who don't make a fuss about it but clearly have so much more to cope with in their lives, than others.

I admire her brand of honesty. It's not so much in what she writes or throws out - it's that she makes no apology for who she is. I'm like her, in that I don't want or expect the whole world to like me. So I don't conform to their expectations. I'm happy with my life and with myself, and this is what I get with Katie. Being true to oneself is harder than sliding around sucking up to people.

But it's much more rewarding! I'll admire anybody who has the guts to say exactly what they think, and make no apology for that.

Good for you. And I mean that in the sense that it's good to feel confident about your convictions, beliefs etc. But I personally feel there is always room to consider other points of view. For example if we look at the HM's I felt Nadia was a strong woman but was a little blinded by her stubbornness.

But I do think an attitude of being to pull yourself together and get on with it is great. Not always easy though. Some struggle. Me included!

Good for you for admiring people sticking to their guns and make no apology for it! Now here's my brand of honesty:

Hopkins is a vile, hateful, bigoted moron who is no where near as clever as she thinks she is! She far out-stayed her welcome a long time ago (not that she was ever welcomed to begin with) and the sooner she disappears from our screens forever the better! I make no apologies for how I feel and I for one will not be kissing her arse any time soon!

There! Here's me sticking to my convictions too! Or is only Hopkins allowed to do that and be admired for it?

I think that suggests you have spoke your mind

Apart from her ability to carve some kind of career out of being unnecessarily cruel to mainly vulnerable people .. the Jobless, the homeless, the overweight and her obvious lack of compassion for others .. The Palestinian tweet, the rape tweet, the train suicide tweet I don't see anything to admire her for.
I find her very obnoxious.
Oh yes, and also shes dirty and she has halitosis.... apparently

surely you enjoyed her recent showing your tits whilst wearing a burkha tweet though?

But according to her fans I'm a hypocrite and just as bad for doing so!

I try to use the word sparingly. I hate the word being flung about too much. Although if it involves clear hypocrisy then I may speak my mind. Everyone is hypocritical from time to time. I complain about the cough I have the moment but still smoke :/

Good points.

Threads like this feel like a trap for anyone who was a fan of KH during the show, or indeed anyone who hasn't gone along with the tidal wave of KH detractors on every point. The use of the word 'admire' is leading and as you say, to like her during the show does not necessarily entail admiration.

Plus, as we have seen in an above post, should you say that you find her funny, one of her previous bad taste opinions will be thrown at you with 'my sides are splitting' being the response.

In fact, practically anything you say in her favour will be jumped upon and contradicted.

What's the point?

Hmmmmm interesting, you seem to have taken my silly little post quite personally haven't you? Maybe, just maybe you can now begin to understand the feelings of those who have been at the receiving end of Hopkins' bile now. Then again my post is incredibly tame compared to the type of garbage spewing from Hopkins' mouth!

Well I'm relatively new on here. And I can see your point. It's difficult. Some people have very strong opinions. Which is great. But it seems there are trigger words which I prefer to steer away from.. If I can.

Indeed.

I've always found that heated online debates do often turn into 'who can annoy the other person the most in the most subtle way', which is a shame really.

All of her fans?

From the ones I've debated so far yes!


It's DS, it happens.

Genuinely confused

Do you even know what the word 'personally' means?

I really don't have the first clue what you are going on about.

Ahem! See above although strictly speaking I wouldn't refer to myself as a fan..