Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“I expect it's always the woman's fault. After all, it's 'the battered woman', never the 'brutal woman beater'.
It's always the husband stealer - never the lothario of a husband who dumped his wife and children for a younger model'
Or there's - 'she was a terrible wife, she drove him into the arms of another'.
It doesn't matter what the circumstances, it's always the woman.”
I could only speak for myself but I think you'll find I've always blamed both the man and the woman for cheating! Not once have I ever blamed the victim for being cheated on. The man is to blame for wrecking his family and the woman is also to blame for knowingly he had a family but didn't care about hurting their feelings! It really is that simple and most certainly isn't a competition for which one is to blame more is it? Both as bad as each other as far as I'm concerned and it's always the poor sod cheated on who ends up picking up the pieces.
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Katie Hopkins has sure got her few detractors going. All these weeks later!! And I agree, Matt - doesn't matter what any of us say or do with regards not being forced to say we don't admire Ms Hopkins - I do admire her, for the reasons given.
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No one's forcing you to "not" admire her, all they're asking is why you're always seemingly OK with whatever she says no matter how offensive yet take issue with anyone calling her out on the stuff she says even when you disagree? You admire her for "telling it like it is", that's fine but why take issue with her detractors for also "telling it like it is"? You can't have it both ways!
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Did she ever go right up to a fat child and say "I hate you because you're fat!"”
But she still seemingly insulted the kid and boasted about it no? But whether she's telling the truth that this actually did happen is left up for debate so I won't comment on this any further.
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Or did she actually tell a bunch of Palestinians that they should be bombed to hell?
And was it to any of you she said it? Only, I'm wondering at how personal to you it seems, Katie detractors?”
Oh that's OK then(!) As long as the Palestinians didn't hear/read it then all's good YAY(!)
Are you for real? You don't have to be a Palestinian to find what she said was offensive, neither do you have to be a Jew to find Holocaust Denial offensive or a black person to find Black-Face and the KKK offensive! All you have to be is a decent human (which is seen as a bad thing amongst her fans for some really odd reason).
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“Is calling a woman you don't know, vile, disgusting, disgraceful, a bitch, a slag, a horse or horse-faced, ugly, huge nose, bad breath, smelly, boney, evil, witch, bully, sociopath...is that moral, does it put you up there with the moral majority? Or does it only show a level of debating commensurate with the Sun Readers of 1980 Debating Society? I dunno.”
I'll be honest I'm not ashamed to admit I've called her a "vile, disgusting, disgraceful bitch" and I stand by it, I will NOT take any of that back! But not once have I EVER called her "horse-faced, ugly, huge nose, bad breath, smelly, boney" etc. Because unlike your precious Hopkins I don't stoop to that level of shallow debate to make my point. The type of crap she spouts is enough to debunk on it's own, don't have to make fun of her looks which she can't help having (too bad she doesn't provide the same courtesy to her victims eh?)
And while we're on the subject, using your own logic why are you so offended by what people say about her? Just like how we're not Palestinians you're not Hopkins are you? So why pre-tell are you offended? And quite frankly I find it disturbing that you're more offended by what the Hopkins detractors say about her then her vile comments about Palestine (a cause you supposedly support and even written papers about).
As for your "Sun Readers" comment, first of all I don't read that piece of crap, not even worthy enough for toilet paper! Secondly doesn't Hopkins herself write for The Sun?
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“I thought that the discussion had begun to get quite healthy, no unfortunate, unnecessary adjectives or generalisations, no assumptions or wild guess work - then along came a herd of hyenas, (they'd obviously been watching and waiting) and bam! A few silly jokes, anything to detract from what was becoming a sensible discussion. Still, as the hyenas pick over the bones of their own 'jokes' the debate remains, for the most part, enshrined in words of value.”
What's wrong with Hyenas? Hyenas are awesome! I would LOVE to be a Hyena, fantastic sense of humour the lot of them!
And a bit rich of you accusing us of "generalisations" when you you've done just that yourself in your own post!
To be frank it's a miracle we're even having any healthy, sensible debate here considering the bile Hopkins spouts isn't exactly what I call a "sensible, healthy" debate.
And once again why so offended on her behalf? You're not Hopkins. And why is it perfectly OK for her to "tell it like it is" about other people but no one is is allowed to "tell it like it is" about her hmmmm?
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
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For my part, I feel silly. I'm enjoying being silly. I admire Katie. Nothing you can do or say will change that. I've proudly stated my allegiance to her, not every opinion she has nor every life experience she's made. Just to her and who she is. And how she does it.”
Carry on admiring her! No one's stopping you, just don't expect people to not call you out on it.
And an allegiance? Really?
A little TOO dedicated aren't you? So no matter what she does you won't question her at all?
I like Disney films but I am not blind to the man's flaws and neither will I pretend he was some wonderful person who did no wrong! Fantastic, genius, legendary film-maker no doubt but a lousy, horrible person with questionable views.
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