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Old 19-02-2015, 22:30
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Bobby was just a kid who did'nt really know what he had done. Jane on the other hand, took her daughter's dead body and dumped it in the woods, leaving Ian to grieve and go through the torment of thinking her murderer was still wandering free.

Bitch.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:37
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Jane, defo.

Sick for moving the corpse, letting everyone wonder what happened.

I am somewhat prepared to see what happens in live and what her explanation is but its pretty much unforgivable.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:37
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Neither. Jane married Ian and has helped him through his grief, whilst keeping Bobby out of the frame. As a Mother I think she's made the best of a terrible situation, and as a woman she's helped the love of her life more or less come out the other side. I admire her strength and see no flaws.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:38
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Both odd.

Very out of character for Jane. If Bobby was over 16 I would understand, he could be facing a sentence. But being a child she should have called the police.

Would have been better if it were Peter and Jane covered for her step-son so Ian didn't have to lose them both.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:41
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Neither. Jane married Ian and has helped him through his grief, whilst keeping Bobby out of the frame. As a Mother I think she's made the best of a terrible situation, and as a woman she's helped the love of her life more or less come out the other side. I admire her strength and see no flaws.
No flaws ? Wow !
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:43
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Neither. Jane married Ian and has helped him through his grief, whilst keeping Bobby out of the frame. As a Mother I think she's made the best of a terrible situation, and as a woman she's helped the love of her life more or less come out the other side. I admire her strength and see no flaws.
You cant see any flaws in someone dumping their adoptive daughters corpse in the woods and covering it up for their adoptive son?

Okay....
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:43
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Neither are evil, but what Jane has done is pretty disturbing by just dumping the body out in the woods somewhere. She did it all to protect the family though.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:45
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I don't know why she didn't she tell Ian what happened? Bobby is his little boy, what did she think he was going to do to him? As awful as it would be to have one of your children kill another, surely he'd have been better off knowing what happened than going crazy wondering.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:49
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From what we've seen so far- neither are evil. Jane was so touched by Lucy outside the house and was obviously devastated when she found her. Bobby's only a child, he didn't even know he'd killed her ('no matter what she says...'). It seemed like it was an accident- something thrown in a moment of anger at her 'causing' all these arguments.

Moving the body of a woman she loved like a daughter to the Common, though, and setting it up to look like a mugging gone wrong... that shows real heartlessness. To have Ian imagining his little girl dying all alone in the woods. Though, actually, I'm sure he'd actually rather that than knowing that she was killed only feet from where he slept.

She's trying to protect Bobby, yes, but to be able to do that shows a real dark side to Jane.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:51
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Neither. Jane married Ian and has helped him through his grief, whilst keeping Bobby out of the frame. As a Mother I think she's made the best of a terrible situation, and as a woman she's helped the love of her life more or less come out the other side. I admire her strength and see no flaws.
A worrying post.
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Old 19-02-2015, 22:57
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You cant see any flaws in someone dumping their adoptive daughters corpse in the woods and covering it up for their adoptive son?

Okay....
No I don't. Adoptive child or not.

It's an unthinkable situation, and her first and foremost thought was to protect her son. Lucy was gone, and Jane can't change that.

So who was Jane supposed to do right by? Ian or Bobby? I chose Bobby, just as Jane has. Ian has moved on from Lucy's murder - more or less - without knowing who killed her.

Secrets always come out, and I don't think Jane would have thought to keep it secret forever from Ian. She's relied on time to pass for a perspective to be taken that Ian wouldn't have seen at the time: tomorrow will be a different reaction to what he'd have given back then.

In a crisis you need someone level headed who can put the best spin on a bad situation and take control. Jane found s way to keep the family together and went with it - Ian got married, Peter was engaged, Cindy was managing as a young Mother and Bobby seemed blissfully unaware.

They were moving on, together, and that's what was needed.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:02
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Is Jane hoping it was a one off? Chances are, if a kid has it in him to kill his own sister, covering it up and helping him get away with it won't help him in the long run. I'd be worried about his mental health. I wonder if that will come up.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:04
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Is Jane hoping it was a one off? Chances are, if a kid has it in him to kill his own sister, covering it up and helping him get away with it won't help him in the long run. I'd be worried about his mental health. I wonder if that will come up.
Well, yes, but I'm not sure we can judge a 10 year olds character traits as traits that'll last a lifetime. There's also the fact Bobby possibly doesn't know - it's how he deals with it once knows.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:04
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Jane moved away with Bobby for ages she only came back because Bobby ran away and then begged her to stay as he wanted to be with his family. If anyone it was Denise that sacrificed Her happiness to stay and help ian, Peter and cindy through there grief. Jane didn't take control of anything to keep the family together
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:05
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Neither of them are evil.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:06
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Neither. Bobby didn't even realise he had killed her at first, brothers and sisters do fight quite badly, I know I did, without any care for any safety. How many times did you push and hit your siblings, how easy would it have been to fall and hit something or hit them and something happen?

Jane is effectively Bobby's mother, like it or not, mothers would probably do anything for their son to be protected. Jane knows he obviously didn't set out to kill her, hence why she is protecting him. If she thought he was a cold blooded killer, I doubt she would be doing it.

I think the reason everyone is thinking it's a cop out is because they were hoping it was someone who was a cold blooded killer, who set out and planned to killer her, not someone who didn't mean to kill her.

In actual fact lot's of people contributed to killing her, which I wouldn't be surprised is referenced in coming episodes.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:06
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Jane moved away with Bobby for ages she only came back because Bobby ran away and then begged her to stay as he wanted to be with his family. If anyone it was Denise that sacrificed Her happiness to stay and help ian, Peter and cindy through there grief. Jane didn't take control of anything to keep the family together
Yet look at how it all worked out. She removed Bobby from the situation. That's a good first step. She wouldn't have kept him away permanently.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:08
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Let us not forget, Jane raised Bobby from a little baby. He is 'hers' as far as everyone is concerned. He even calls her Mum. Lucy, as much as she loved her, is not her child in the same way. So I think we can forgive Jane a bit for being incredibly stupid and cold-hearted. I guess Bobby just meant more to her than Lucy did in that moment and she made her decision.

My main concern is why she didn't think just to call an ambulance, but I suppose you don't know how you would react in that situation unless you were in it.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:08
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You cant see any flaws in someone dumping their adoptive daughters corpse in the woods and covering it up for their adoptive son?

Okay....
There is a difference Lucy knew that Jane was her stepmum. She may remember her real mother. However she knew that Jane was just another woman in her dad's life.

Bobby on the other hand, his mother died when he was a baby. As far as he in concerned Jane is his mother, Jane also has a closer bond to Bobby due to this fact and that she has brought him up.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:09
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Jane moved away with Bobby for ages she only came back because Bobby ran away and then begged her to stay as he wanted to be with his family. If anyone it was Denise that sacrificed Her happiness to stay and help ian, Peter and cindy through there grief. Jane didn't take control of anything to keep the family together
Exactly. Jane didn't really help Ian though anything. She staged a murder, shagged him and then ran off for months, leaving him to get through the worst of his grief without her. Nevermind Bobby, I hope she gets prosecuted for her part in all this.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:10
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bobby im sorry but if your capable of murder at that age what will you be like in future. there have been child killers in real life that the nation havent been so forgiving off. bobby beale is 10 years old not not 10 months old.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:13
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Bobby was just a kid who did'nt really know what he had done. Jane on the other hand, took her daughter's dead body and dumped it in the woods, leaving Ian to grieve and go through the torment of thinking her murderer was still wandering free.

Bitch.
Neither are evil. As dot said, people sometimes do the wrong things for love.

Jane was desperate to protect the child she has loved as her own since he was a baby. She'll have been desperate and not thinking straight.
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:14
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Jane isn't evil but she didn't do the right thing
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:14
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Well, yes, but I'm not sure we can judge a 10 year olds character traits as traits that'll last a lifetime. There's also the fact Bobby possibly doesn't know - it's how he deals with it once knows.
He was panicked enough to call Jane and he knows she died that night. How can he not know he killed her? I'm not saying the traits will last a lifetime. I'm just wondering how he was able to process the real repercussions of his actions. Did Jane just give him a stern talking to? Obviously I'm not saying he needs to go to jail. I just hope he understands what he did and I hope he's truly remorseful. Didn't he seem to blame Lucy at the end of the episode?
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Old 19-02-2015, 23:16
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Neither. Jane married Ian and has helped him through his grief, whilst keeping Bobby out of the frame. As a Mother I think she's made the best of a terrible situation, and as a woman she's helped the love of her life more or less come out the other side. I admire her strength and see no flaws.
I agree with what you're saying in a sense. It's a difficult situation that can't realistically be look at in terms of good or evil. Lucy was dead and as a mother there was nothing more that Jane could do for her. She now had to protect her son and that is what she did. She's not evil in the slightest but she had to do something that was morally ambiguous in order to protect her son and her family. She would never want Ian to know Bobby killed his favourite child. She would never want to destroy that relationship and she would never want to destroy Ian. She did what she felt she had to do. As a person she could be described as incredibly strong not evil.
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