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Nadia. How she was perceived by some.
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molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by bootyache:
“This is what I don't get.

Nadia was shown telling Perez that his comment to Callum in the row was wrong. I don't see how that means Nadia found it "funny and acceptable"”

I know I heard her say it I saw her be as cross as a friend who thought he let himself down could be with him. What did she need to say or do to make people understand she thought he was wrong ?
bootyache
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by Angie_Plasty:
“Well said I agree with every word. Nadia and Perez should be applauded.

Who would have stood up to him otherwise? Champion of the underdog Michelle, who told Morley she "got his sense of humour" and let him get on with it? Or maybe "gentleman" Calum, who didn't give a stuff, the same way he didn't give a stuff when Jeremy exposed Chloe. He even defended Jeremy saying, "But he thought she had a bathing suit on under her robe!"

And Morley's got plenty of form, though of course he hides behind the usual "but we were all sex offenders back then" defence.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbi...ed-women-1980s”

The ignorance of Ken is contemptible IMO.
yellowlabbie
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by bootyache:
“The ignorance of Ken is contemptible IMO.”

I haven't read the article but he is right. They did get away with all sorts in those days and you couldn't complain because you would more likely be complaining to another man who would agree with the guy who had done it, not only that but the woman would be to blame He is a dirty, 'vile', horrible old man.
molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I haven't read the article but he is right. They did get away with all sorts in those days and you couldn't complain because you would more likely be complaining to another man who would agree with the guy who had done it, not only that but the woman would be to blame He is a dirty, 'vile', horrible old man.”

You could complain you could also slap and kick and make a fuss.

Many of us did and because we did we were rarely bothered it only took one kick to make men realise to stay well clear.
yellowlabbie
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“You could complain you could also slap and kick and make a fuss.

Many of us did and because we did we were rarely bothered it only took one kick to make men realise to stay well clear.”

I agree mollie but in my day most women were too frightened to lash out. They thought they would be the ones to get into trouble.
bootyache
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I haven't read the article but he is right. They did get away with all sorts in those days and you couldn't complain because you would more likely be complaining to another man who would agree with the guy who had done it, not only that but the woman would be to blame He is a dirty, 'vile', horrible old man.”


Indeed

In the Express article Ken says he used to "grope" women in the 80s. And "Everybody was at it" Also, "it was regarded as normal"

What an idiot?
anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Does it ever make anyone else wonder why BB producers put people like that in ? it's not TV gold it just makes people either uncomfortable (women in the house) it doesn't change the person doing the behaviour at all. So why do they do it ?”

I've said many times he was put in there for his normal sleazy behaviour to cause controversy. Any one of the women knowing his history would naturally feel very uncomfortable about living with him, let alone being forced to share a bedroom, for an unknown period of time..

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...with-me-corrie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...t-special.html

That's exactly why they hired him and thank goodness we saw two people with the guts and common sense to stand up to him. Not forgetting he was thrown out for his racism.
SnowStorm86
23-02-2015
I liked Nadia but I have to say that her "call the police" rant to Ken was toe-curlingly cringeworthy. In fact at that point she became one of my least favourites but she managed to turn it back around for me. The fact she refused to join in the Hopkins arse-kissing fest was a big positive for me. Seeing the likes of Michelle sell her soul to Hopkins just for an easy ride to the final was in my opinion far more worthy of ridicule than anything Nadia had done in there.
yellowlabbie
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I've said many times he was put in there for his normal sleazy behaviour to cause controversy. Any one of the women knowing his history would naturally feel very uncomfortable about living with him, let alone being forced to share a bedroom, for an unknown period of time..

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...with-me-corrie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...t-special.html

That's exactly why they hired him and thank goodness we saw two people with the guts and common sense to stand up to him. Not forgetting he was thrown out for his racism.”

Oh my, he really is the most repulsive man
molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I've said many times he was put in there for his normal sleazy behaviour to cause controversy. Any one of the women knowing his history would naturally feel very uncomfortable about living with him, let alone being forced to share a bedroom, for an unknown period of time..

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...with-me-corrie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...t-special.html

That's exactly why they hired him and thank goodness we saw two people with the guts and common sense to stand up to him. Not forgetting he was thrown out for his racism.”

Yuk I still wonder at the mind that thinks we want to see this amount of hideousness, quite warped I believe.

Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I liked Nadia but I have to say that her "call the police" rant to Ken was toe-curlingly cringeworthy. In fact at that point she became one of my least favourites but she managed to turn it back around for me. The fact she refused to join in the Hopkins arse-kissing fest was a big positive for me. Seeing the likes of Michelle sell her soul to Hopkins just for an easy ride to the final was in my opinion far more worthy of ridicule than anything Nadia had done in there.”

I just saw that as a woman pushed to her limit, we often see people go a bit weird at some point in BB the being locked in with strangers does things with their minds so I forgave her that pretty fast. At least she wasn't writing on the table while talking to herself
robborocks
23-02-2015
Nadia was ok, bit of a hypocrite and made herself look a fool with the police comment.

she wasn't the worst but no way near the best so the public evicting her where they did was fair enough.
molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“Nadia was ok, bit of a hypocrite and made herself look a fool with the police comment.

she wasn't the worst but no way near the best so the public evicting her where they did was fair enough.”

I would actually put her up there amongst the best, it's not often we see someone so principled they refuse to save themselves for the good of someone else.
summertime09
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by bootyache:
“This is what I don't get.

Nadia was shown telling Perez that his comment to Callum in the row was wrong. I don't see how that means Nadia found it "funny and acceptable"”

On BBBOTS she was having a right laugh about it, THEN "They didn't show Katie Hopkins started that argument"!!! COMPLETELY absolving Perez of the words that came out of HIS mouth, we also saw her say in the garden after the incident, "if that was an argument between a man and woman I would be horrified"!! WHAT happened to calling the Police!!
molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“On BBBOTS she was having a right laugh about it, THEN "They didn't show Katie Hopkins started that argument"!!! COMPLETELY absolving Perez of the words that came out of HIS mouth, we also saw her say in the garden after the incident, "if that was an argument between a man and woman I would be horrified"!! WHAT happened to calling the Police!!”

I would guess she had seen bits since she left the house and let's be honest wouldn't we all change how we perceive an event if we were shown it in context of what was happening around us ?
robborocks
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I would guess she had seen bits since she left the house and let's be honest wouldn't we all change how we perceive an event if we were shown it in context of what was happening around us ?”

Kind of goes against how 'principled' she was though.
molliepops
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“Kind of goes against how 'principled' she was though.”

Not at all, we all I hope have principles but we have to use them with the best information we have at the time. If my principles are to be non violent (which they are) surely I can be forgiven for hitting someone if they attack me ? my principles remain the same but on spur of the moment to save myself I hit out.
anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“On BBBOTS she was having a right laugh about it, THEN "They didn't show Katie Hopkins started that argument"!!! COMPLETELY absolving Perez of the words that came out of HIS mouth, we also saw her say in the garden after the incident, "if that was an argument between a man and woman I would be horrified"!! WHAT happened to calling the Police!!”

Why shouldn't she laugh about it? Two stupid men fighting and both in the wrong. It wasn't meant as any kind of sexual threat. Macho posturing is more valid. KH threatened to stick the rule book up Perez's backside, it's a turn of phrase, in a row.
How was Nadia absolving anyone? She stated the obvious that KH was always starting arguments (for the sake of her product) Two entirely different points.
Wouldn't anyone be horrified if that was an argument between a man and a woman?
Were you horrified when Alex threatened to do the same to Perez? The opposite, a straight man to a gay man.
anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“Kind of goes against how 'principled' she was though.”

Why does it, I don't understand what you mean.
anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“I would actually put her up there amongst the best, it's not often we see someone so principled they refuse to save themselves for the good of someone else.”

Me too and how she was a hypocrite is beyond me.
robborocks
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by molliepops:
“Not at all, we all I hope have principles but we have to use them with the best information we have at the time. If my principles are to be non violent (which they are) surely I can be forgiven for hitting someone if they attack me ? my principles remain the same but on spur of the moment to save myself I hit out.”

Obviously thats fine.

But this would be more like you oppose violence and get annoyed if other people get violent (KH, Ken) but turn a blind eye if your friend does it (perez).

would take the shine off your principles.

As I say im not against Nadia, she was middle of the road for me and not someone I disliked.
Penny Crayon
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Me too and how she was a hypocrite is beyond me.”

Exactly.

we never really saw what led into that incident about calling the Police. It appeared to start with the younger girls being upset in the bedroom. Who knows what he may have done/said to set that off. By the sound of that article written before CBB he has been very lucky to have avoided a Yewtree investigation - he's actually admitted groping etc.

I have no doubt that Nadia was very well aware of who he was and what his past had been (she worked with (Sherie Hewson) - whilst the Police comment looked OTT and seemed to come from nowhere I do believe there was a bit more to it.

Apparently a few of them were asking to leave - I'm guessing it was uncomfortable to have a dirty old man leering and making lewd comments.

She showed tremendous strength of character in standing her ground with him - shame it made her unpopular.
bootyache
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“On BBBOTS she was having a right laugh about it, THEN "They didn't show Katie Hopkins started that argument"!!! COMPLETELY absolving Perez of the words that came out of HIS mouth, we also saw her say in the garden after the incident, "if that was an argument between a man and woman I would be horrified"!! WHAT happened to calling the Police!!”


How can Nadia "absolve" Perez of anything?

It's not up to Nadia.

Do you think the police should have been called for Alex who made a similar comment to Perez?

How about being reasonable and looking at these situations as in the heat of the moment?

anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by bootyache:
“How can Nadia "absolve" Perez of anything?

It's not up to Nadia.

Do you think the police should have been called for Alex who made a similar comment to Perez?

How about being reasonable and looking at these situations as in the heat of the moment?

”

Hear hear.
anne_666
23-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Exactly.

we never really saw what led into that incident about calling the Police. It appeared to start with the younger girls being upset in the bedroom. Who knows what he may have done/said to set that off. By the sound of that article written before CBB he has been very lucky to have avoided a Yewtree investigation - he's actually admitted groping etc.

I have no doubt that Nadia was very well aware of who he was and what his past had been (she worked with (Sherie Hewson) - whilst the Police comment looked OTT and seemed to come from nowhere I do believe there was a bit more to it.

Apparently a few of them were asking to leave - I'm guessing it was uncomfortable to have a dirty old man leering and making lewd comments.

She showed tremendous strength of character in standing her ground with him - shame it made her unpopular.”

The sleazy sod was insistent that he had no intention of packing it in. It's disappointing when the slightest thing is exaggerated and used against anyone, especially when it involves a man behaving like that and in those circumstances..
fasbinder_62
25-02-2015
she wasn't that bad at all, katie hopkins and perez hilton were equally matched in villainy, any criticism leveled at nadia should also go to michelle
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