Things may be said in anger during an argument that cause hurt but you are advocating DELIBERATELY doing so - two completely different things.

Actually some people would rather walk away from an argument rather than say something they know is going to be deeply hurtful.

If two people don't like each other then that is when they won't care what is said and will deliberately hurt each other - some people will try to justify saying whatever they can to hurt each other, others will tend to walk away rather than waste their energy on someone they don't care about.

"It's what she does and she will stop at nothing to keep her bitter vacuous self in the public arena."
That's an opinion.
That's your opinion.
Nether you or anyone else knows how many other people share it bar the usual gang of 6-7 FM's that pile in at every oppo to fight for the name of Perez.

Heated arguing.

She's right.

She really is an infantile, witless moron.

Absolutely and some of us would cut our own tongues out before saying hurtful things to our loved ones. It's just so alien to my way of thinking.

Ain't that the truth?

Why set out to hurt someone?

It doesn't make any sense to me even if I don't like them. I would just avoid them. If someone insisted on hurting me I can use strong words in my defence, but that doesn't have to include hurting someone.

Or just an angry person?

If that's the case, that's sad really.

In a perfect world everyone would be sweetness and light to each other but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and people do argue, we're all human. Things do get said in the heat of the moment but are not necessarily meant.

It's refreshing to read a post from someone who is happy to admit they're human rather than read all the pious, sanctimonious c**p that seems to have taken over this forum

KH says something controversial to get a response.
And gets it.
Well done all.

Hear, hear.

I think this was the case for both Perez and Katie Hopkins in the house. From what I remember, Perez lobbed the first volley at KH during the task where they had to match the HM to the statement. Katie's statement involved her having relations in a field with a married man. Perez asked if she, "felt no qualms fking a married man." When other HMs spoke up telling Perez he was out of line, he responded, "I'm playing by the rules." They both played this game in the house, tossing hurtful statements at each other to get a reaction. Perez started it imo and KH continued it. I don't think either one was really hurt by the statements as it was just a game to both of them.

Well, I must say I'm surprised at your post.

It fact I find it quite sad.

Human nature can be a funny thing but from experiences in life in general people tend to try and co-operate with each other.

We have so much sadness in the world that it seems only right for one to try and spread a more positive feeling towards their fellowmen/women. If that's "sanctimonious crap" then we are bloody well doomed.

It's important to speak out when a person is spreading hate.

We know from past history how dangerous it can be to ignore it.

No doubt KH wants responses but because of her behaviour it needs to be countered.

Indeed.
And as I said, the more well you know someone, the more you would know what to say to really hurt them.
Obviously we all hope we never end up in a situation where that happens, but it does, particularly when couples have blazing rows.
I've only ever done it a couple of times and that's been with ex's, and on the other hand it's been done to me a few times.

I think Perez's comment about wanting to kill himself if he was Hopkins' kid did actually get to her, the fact he even brought them up in that way. So she probably had to work hard not to really react angrily.

I'm really really really hoping that you're not hinting at comparing Hopkins to Hitler here

What in the world has a blazing row between a couple who know each other really well got to do with KH and Perez?

Except that he wasn't referring to her kids was he?

He was referring to himself as the hypothetical kid that Katie created.

No, she'll never hoodwink that many people.

Read the thread, it's clearly been in discussion about how people will say very hurtful things in heated arguments.

I have no idea who else Perez's child has in his life, but I definitely think it's a good thing that Katie H's children don't only have her in their lives. I don't know if that means they've got balance - might be stretching things a bit - but you never know.

Don't let a fact like that get in the way Penny

Both Surely all 3 comments or is Katie saying she'd lock Perez in a cupboard if he was her child constructive and in wonderful taste? After she said that he was entitled to say whatever he wanted and what he did say was more than acceptable.

However, for her in the cold light of day, weeks down the line, apropos nothing other than a question to trigger it to say "If he did top himself, he'd do the world a favour, is beyond sickening. I'd say she should be be wholly ashamed but shame is an emotion and she doesn't appear to do these.

As for ‘I feel for his son. He doesn't have a balance or someone else to look up to, he only has Perez." Is she going back down the homophobic route 'roll eyes' A child of a single Dad clearly means the child has only one parent. Having said that it makes me wonder if she's talking about herself here as much as Perez. Maybe she thinks it's ok for her be as abhorrent. disgusting and as bigoted as she likes because her kids have a father at home to provide a balance

How anyone can be on this monster's side is beyond me.

But he involved her children in the argument, that's enough to anger most parents regardless of whether the attack was specifically about a particular child or not.

I give Perez credit for that. If his goal was to hit Hopkins where it hurts, then I think doing that in such a subtle way was impressive.

How did he do that then? I must have missed it.

It was Hopkins who bought Perez's and her children into it.

When did Perez refer to her children?