Denise Welch and Katie Hopkins twitter row.

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Matt_Maher

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Now THAT is a great tweet.”

I'm just waiting for someone to jump in to say how it was a disgusting/despicable/vile/evil tweet because Collymore now says he has suffered from depression

Jules_Thornley

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“I'm just waiting for someone to jump in to say how it was a disgusting/despicable/vile/evil tweet because Collymore now says he has suffered from depression ”

Maybe it's my imagination but it seems a slightly happier place today.

Hope I didn't speak too soon..

Gnomsie

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Very true.

I know this is humour and I don't see it as mocking myself - I think it's funny but at the same time sort of though provoking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DVHUEjnuU”

Oh I've never seen that before, but I agree. It's funny, I enjoy the humour. It's good to take the poss, exaggerate and laugh at stereotypes. It's not saying 'all gingers should be segregated' but how hilarious the notion that they should be is.

Originally Posted by xXxAnneAxXx:
“Yes, I doubt that any of these people would actually say these things to anyone face to face. The absolute loyalty they portray towards her is astounding, I wonder are these people really like her? Do they think the same cruel thoughts? Are people really nasty and critical but don't show it or say it and this gives them an opportunity to say how they feel? I hope not, I'd never purposely hurt anyone feelings. I'm sure fat people know they're fat without having it rammed down their throat, I'm sure a lot of them feel bad enough without having it rubbed in their face in the cruelest of ways. I just don't get how anyone condones the things Hopkins says, the suicide tweet, the Ebola tweet, the Glasgow tweet, the rape tweet, the Palestinian tweet, the mcCanns ... the list is endless, what necessity is ther to be so cold and uncaring that you will say anything to get noticed regardless of who you offend or hurt in the process.”

I think it's an attention thing. The more you offend, the more attention you get. It's easier to just offend than it is to put yourself in another's shoes. And you don't have to take responsibility for your words, you say it and let others see the mess it can cause.

Penny Crayon

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“I'm just waiting for someone to jump in to say how it was a disgusting/despicable/vile/evil tweet because Collymore now says he has suffered from depression ”

But it wasn't. Not everything she says is vile/evil/disgusting.

Most people with an ounce of intelligence can differentiate - it simply proves that (contrary to what you believe) people don't jump on everything she says and attack it.

Gnomsie

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Maybe not, but don't you think it's strange that hardly anyone ever seems to come out and say they were personally offended or upset by what she's said?

I'm not sure who people are being offended on behalf of to be honest.”

No, I don't think it's strange really. KH has a lot of people agreeing with her and being incredibly rude. To admit that what she said has personally offended you, is to open yourself up and make yourself a target of those that agree with her. As seen with the tweets in reply to Welch.

It's not 'being offended on behalf of'. It's seeing a comment can cause offence to a group of people, and choosing to voice your disagreement. For example, I don't have to be offended to disagree with the notion that suiciders are selfish.

Bunions

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“The strange thing about the whole Katie Hopkins thing, is that I don't think I've ever actually heard anyone say that they were personally upset by anything she has said.
It's always been about being offended on behalf of someone else.”

It's not about being offended by proxy, it's about finding what she says utterly repellent.

You don't and that's absolutely fine by me.

What isn't fine is your faux misunderstanding of why other people don't like what she says and your attempts to undermine what they're saying with your disingenous rhetoric.

kravchic

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Maybe it's my imagination but it seems a slightly happier place today.

Hope I didn't speak too soon..”

I've been lurking rather than posting, and have to say I agree with you. Isn't it nice?

Jules_Thornley

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by kravchic:
“I've been lurking rather than posting, and have to say I agree with you. Isn't it nice?”

Oh good! That means if I'm not imagining it my interpretation of posts is working at 100% today

and perhaps we are all in sync.. Somehow.

yellowlabbie

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Oh good! That means if I'm not imagining it my interpretation of posts is working at 100% today and perhaps we are all in sync.. Somehow.

”

It is a much better place today, I just mentioned this to my hubbie, not that he's interested.

Luner13

22-02-2015

Not a huge Denise fan at all but I LOVE her for this as I HATE Katie Hopkins.

postit

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Gnomsie:
“I think it's very telling of the Internet age, opinions have become anonymous. Those posting on twitter don't have to accept and own their opinions, they don't wear them as a badge. They can post their crap on the web and continue their daily life without any idea of the pain and anguish their 'opinions' can cause.
When they are ridiculing the depressed, the fat, the ginger, the scroungers, they are only reading their reactions. The written word is easier to laugh at and mock than visible pain, tears, hurt and anger.”

That is so true. I think it's worrying.

anne_666

22-02-2015

I like Denise but feeding the troll in this way is silly.

anne_666

22-02-2015

You don't find elitism offensive? That anyone who isn't privately educated is basically thick, should not get a uni place and social mobility is nonsense? Someone who is milking the same people for an income? I certainly do find it offensive. She's ok in her pathetic snobbery, the men in her life from her father, privately educating her and onwards through her marriages, have kept her, in the main. Is there a political party in this country today with such hideous, extreme right wing and totally outdated elitist policies? I doubt if many people know or understand what she truly stands for.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...kins-interview

Quote:
“If you managed to miss all of that, you would get an idea of her style from her reply when I ask if she'd call herself a snob. "Oh, definitely yeah, 100%. I think it's really important to be snobby. Do I think social mobility policy will ever work? Absolutely not. Is social class a much more efficient way of getting people to the top? Absolutely. Social class has worked for years. Born into the right family, go to the right schools, even if you're not super bright to start with, you'll turn out bright. You go to the right university, you get the right job, you have the right connections, you'll make it to the top. Job done, very efficient."

Efficient at what? "Efficient at getting smart, well-connected people to the top. It is efficient, because what public money was required to move those people to the top? None." That would depend on whether we want the best people at the top, surely, or just the cheapest way to get some people to fill up the top? "Oh, for goodness sake," she exclaims impatiently. "It's this whole state school thing: 'Oh, there are a couple of bright sparks, let's invest £50m trying to get the two or three that might achieve to the top.' Or, shall we take really clever people and not have to spend any money on them, and get them to the top because they're connected and went to brilliant schools and their families will support them and they're fantastic? So why bother with social mobility? Why does it matter? Why? Why? I don't understand the obsession with it."”

On topic, stay out of it Denise Welsh please.

erin_p

22-02-2015

Katie Hopkins @KTHopkins ·
Looking forward to my column @NowMag on Tuesday; standing up for yourself: 'what would Katie do?'And something special for @RealDeniseWelch

Tissy

22-02-2015

Thankfully (as much as I can fathom Twitter) not all her followers agree with her.

Penny Crayon

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Thankfully (as much as I can fathom Twitter) not all her followers agree with her.”

I haven't really got a clue as to who saying what about who (or is it whom)? All very confusing for an ole dearie like me I'm afraid.

Tissy

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I haven't really got a clue as to who saying what about who (or is it whom)? All very confusing for an ole dearie like me I'm afraid.”

Nor me

only read links to Twitter that are posted on DS and see negatives as well as positives.

Assume one can only post if following

Gnomsie

22-02-2015

Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Nor me only read links to Twitter that are posted on DS and see negatives as well as positives.

Assume one can only post if following”

I don't use twitter, but I think you can include someone in a post even if you don't follow them. I see a lot of 'follow me plzzzzzz' when I do look at twitter. I'm not all too sure though.

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