Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“Okay, so let me just be sure I understand you correctly…
Someone comes on to ask about buying a decent 2 channel Hi-Fi specifically to play vinyl, and you’re suggestion is to tell them they can’t have Hi-Fi at all because they’re pockets aren’t deep enough!?!”
no. i'm sure you can read, so have a read at my post and see that it doesn't say this
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On top of that you add that they’re wasting their time even considering vinyl, and then to top it all off you’re now suggesting that an AV system is the right direction to move in. Is that right???”
wrong again
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Let’s just be crystal clear here. Someone wants a good stereo system….. but you think that they should buy an AV amp and set of surround speakers? …….. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha!!!. Let alone the fact that blithely dismiss the OPer’s main reason for enquiring (a turntable, just to remind you in case you’d forgotten), do you even understand the differences in what you’re suggesting?”
you clearly have a problem reading and understanding posts, and you try and take the mick out of others?
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Re: the definition of audiophile and it not being about budget
Well yes, it is my opinion. Mine is formed from years spent helping people in real life get the best they can for their money. If you were a true audiophile yourself then you’d recognise where Matilda.cs is coming from.”
my opinion is also from decades of experience and from spending considerable sums improving equipment over the years, learning from mistakes too. so from that perspective, sometimes pointing out that someone should perhaps reconsider before they make a decision can be a very useful piece of advise. if you knew about hifi as you do, you would know that technically what i'm saying is correct. you don't seem to knock the technical aspects of what i say, so it sounds like you are just looking to argue instead of be helpful
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I wonder too, since you quoted Wiki, if you actually bothered to read the articles? They actually agree with my view. “Audiophile equipment can run the gamut from budget to high-end in terms of price range” and “An audiophile is a person enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction” Both quotes taken directly from the two Wiki articles, thus disproving your 'only deep pockets need apply' view of things”
i wonder if you actually bothered to read my posts, as i say one thing and you say i said something completely different. i never said anything of the sort of that last part you quoted, which you can read for yourself from my posts to confirm
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… okay, so far so good. You’re acknowledging that a £700 system can sound good. Right, you’re starting to talk sense finally….”
everything i've said makes sense, and from the bat i didn't say anything to suggest a £700 system wouldn't have sounded good, in fact the opposite
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… oh dear. Off the rails you go. What’s any of that got to do with the OP?.”
if anyone is going off the rails it's you. surely you can tell from the OP's post they don't appear to have a proper hifi amp and setup, so must be using something else to listen to music. the point is that an upgrade to that level of equipment will sound considerably better than docking stations and other non hifi equipment, but thats mainly because of the proper amp and speaker as opposed to the source. in other words, the great sound from a £700 setup is mainly due to amp and speaker rather than a turntable, and a well matched cd player within that budget instead of turntable will usually sound better as well as needing less setup and looking after source material
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Regarding whether £200-£300 on a Project turntable is a worthwhile investment
Yes, I see it was your intention to torpedo Matilda.cs’s turntable idea from the start.”
wrong again.you aren't right very often are you? i even said the turntable mentioned was a reasonable choice, and mentioned looking at the second hand route
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If I were in her(?) shoes then I probably be thinking “I’m reconsidering it, alright. Stuff you and your arrogance for suggesting I can’t have what I want. I’m more determined than ever now.””
well you don't seem to be a good judge on reading what people are actually posting, and understanding what they are saying, so you are probably wrong again. on the other hand she may think your posts are arrogant and you've put her off wanting anything to do with it. your arguing isn't helping the OP make a decision
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Look at the OP again. It’s all about vinyl and the desire to continue collecting it, playing it and enjoying it. Quite whether you think that Matilda.cs is barking up the wrong tree is frankly rather arrogant presumption. What you do at home is your own business.
There are already suitable products and a very sensible budget for a vinyl starter system, so really, what’s your problem?”
i have no problem at all. it's not my money. i offer advice, it's up to the OP to choose what they want. what is your problem with the advice i give, which is perfectly fine and acceptable advice, and may perhaps be the best choice for the OP?
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Regarding improved manufacturing technics and volume production making Hi-Fi more accessible at lower prices
Yes, Wiki, whom you seem to love, also agrees that “audiophile” includes budget Hi-Fi too. Oh look, that’s exactly what I said, isn’t it. ”
it doesn't say it in the article and quote i posted. did you edit it?
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Actually, no. You were. Here’s your line from post #7, your first post in this thread…
Care to respond?”
i don't see the word difficult in there. it's yet another thing you are wrong about. you are seeing things that simply aren't there. if you use search you will see that again i'm correct and you were the first person to mention the word "difficult"
you seem to confuse a simple sentance saying something needs to be done properly, as that thing being difficult. you need to insert a cd properly into a cd player to make it work, if you put it in upside down it wont play. now that's not difficult is it?
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I have no problem with the word “calibrate” except when used to frighten folks with techno-babble unnecessarily. You weren’t trying to inform. You were simply trying to scare in order to force a change to CD.”
wrong again. calibrate isn't even a scary word. you seem to have a real issue with words and understanding them don't you?
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There’s a way to introduce words of warning without pulling the fire alarm. Setting the tracking and anti-skate correctly is important. But there’s no need to make a big deal out of it other than to say it’s part of the set up process.”
over reacting again. someone new to turntables may not have a clue what is meant by tracking and anti skate, but would know what being setup correctly or being calibrated correctly might mean. just as someone who doesn't know much about cards wouldn't have a clue when technical engine parts are mentioned but would know when someone said the engine needs tuned
again this is your opinion against someone elses. it's the opinion of the OP that counts. don't forget about the OP. they can continue with the conversation and ask further questions or explanation. no need for you to take it upon yourself to say what the OP knows and doesn't know and what they may or may not understand. that simply sounds rather presumptions and condescending and arrogant to me
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Every new turntable with tone arm I have sold and installed has come with instructions. Those instructions included the procedures for setting up the arm during installation, and then for adjusting the tracking weight and the anti-skate to suit. The procedure may be new and unfamiliar to an end user at first, but following the step-by-step instructions will get the job done properly.”
ah, so here comes out the truth. you probably sell turntables so you have a vested personal interest in people being interested in and buying such products. so your advice really is far from impartial. i have no vested interest and only look to offer advice, regardless of what the OP wants to buy, from the point of someone with a personal interest
[d]ALERT TO OP - ADVICE GIVEN BY CHRIS FROST IS NOT IMPARTIAL[/b]
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Decent Hi-Fi shops used to deliver and set up gear for folk in their homes as part of the service. Things are a little more free and easy now. Customers are more likely to take the goods away. However, that doesn’t stop a conscientious dealer from showing a customer the process on one of the shops turntables and letting them have a go themselves.”
this is why in my first post i suggested the OP goes to a specialist store. hopefully she doesn't end up in yours
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There’s also a wealth of information on-line in the form of videos and tutorials. If all that fails then there are the forums such as this one to offer advice. Really, there’s no need to cause a panic.”
likewise i suggested a hifi magazine. you are the only one to mention panic or suggest it btw
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Oh, and by the way, the word is spelled “novice” and not novis.”
so picking up on typos i presume you are pedantic or have OCD? something else for the OP to consider when reading your posts
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Regarding my opinion that a good budget Hi-Fi would make all smile except the snobby elitists who buy expensive gear to show off
OMG….. how did you come to such a mistaken conclusion? After everything I’d written, somehow you managed to concoct a version in your own mind where you seriously believe that I think fat wallets equals audiophile!?!. You’re either deluded or a troll.”
again another good example of you not understanding what is posted