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Vinyl set up, advice needed....
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Mr Dos
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Dan Sette:
“Nowt wrong with an old Dansette”

. . . with a couple of pennies sellotaped on . . .
Deacon1972
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“yes. what i said is correct. there is no new format just about to come out. of course that's a vague statement. i don't consider a format that's only just been agreed, but hasn't yet been manufactured, that may or may not come out around the end of the year, as just about to come out”

Spin it how you want....

The fact that UHD bluray is on the horizon shows your **original statement** to be incorrect.

**there's not new format on the horizon thats just about to come out that a new bluray player won't be able to play**

Originally Posted by unique:
“ the emphasis on what the OP is looking for is about audio,”

So why recommend equipment that's more suited to home cinema not HiFi?


Originally Posted by unique:
“one thing is for certain, a turntable or cd player certainly won't be able to play any potential new formats other than what they were initially designed for, ”

And that poses a problem for who, certainly not the OP who wish to play and listen to their CD's and vinyl in the future.
Chris Frost
03-03-2015
Re: putting some detail to another vague equipment reference of "HDMI amp"
Originally Posted by unique:
“i'll leave that to the OP. you and anyone else are free to throw in your advice”

Nope, that won't wash.

We've all stated the gear we'd recommend. Now it's time for you to step up and put some meat on the bones of your kit recommendation. So come on; make and model and price of this "HDMI amp" if you please.

Remember too, you said it's not an AV Receiver or AV amp.
Nigel Goodwin
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Dos:
“. . . with a couple of pennies sellotaped on . . .”

That takes me back

We did a disco in an upstairs room at a pub (The Bulls Head Hotel), the floor was so bouncy that even though we sited the turntables in one corner of the room we had to balance 10 pence pieces on the PU's to stop them jumping
Menoetius
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“That takes me back

We did a disco in an upstairs room at a pub (The Bulls Head Hotel), the floor was so bouncy that even though we sited the turntables in one corner of the room we had to balance 10 pence pieces on the PU's to stop them jumping ”

The disco in the hired room ... the 50th birthday, the wedding anniversary.
Must admit, Nigel, makes me shudder.

It's not the music selection or the dad dancing, or the nephews getting caught smoking, but the "I know a friend who can dj" audio.
I know the intentions are good, the heart is in the right place. But jeez, talk about noise to make the ears bleed. Cheap plastic tweeters screaming sweet sibilance, poor quality bass drivers rattling worse than a smack head on a come down.
Deacon1972
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Menoetius:
“The disco in the hired room ... the 50th birthday, the wedding anniversary.
Must admit, Nigel, makes me shudder.

It's not the music selection or the dad dancing, or the nephews getting caught smoking, but the "I know a friend who can dj" audio.
I know the intentions are good, the heart is in the right place. But jeez, talk about noise to make the ears bleed. Cheap plastic tweeters screaming sweet sibilance, poor quality bass drivers rattling worse than a smack head on a come down.”

So long as you got a girl for the last song none of that mattered.
Menoetius
03-03-2015
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“So long as you got a girl for the last song none of that mattered. ”

A girl at the end of the night at a family do .... I'm not from Norfolk
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“Spin it how you want....

The fact that UHD bluray is on the horizon shows your **original statement** to be incorrect.

**there's not new format on the horizon thats just about to come out that a new bluray player won't be able to play**”


UHD isn't just about to come out however. the standard has only been agreed

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“So why recommend equipment that's more suited to home cinema not HiFi?”

i recommend something that can do HD audio as well as older formats, as well as home cinema. i think that could be well suited to the OP's needs. ultimately however it's the OP's decision. i offer my advice, others offer theirs and it's then up to the OP to choose. if they feel my advice is unsuitable, then they are unlikely to take my advice

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And that poses a problem for who, certainly not the OP who wish to play and listen to their CD's and vinyl in the future.”

you are the one that mentioned a problem, not me
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“Re: putting some detail to another vague equipment reference of "HDMI amp"
Nope, that won't wash.”

maybe with you, but your opinions are irrelevant

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We've all stated the gear we'd recommend. Now it's time for you to step up and put some meat on the bones of your kit recommendation. So come on; make and model and price of this "HDMI amp" if you please.

Remember too, you said it's not an AV Receiver or AV amp.”

part of your problem is you make presumptions with insufficient information. i try and avoid doing that, so i won't spend time suggesting equipment until the OP has clarified what they want, what the budget is, etc etc etc
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“And a Blu-ray player won't be able to play 4K BD disc, same as a DVD player couldn't play Blu-rays, and CD players couldn't play DVDs. Guess what, wax cylinder players couldn't play 78s. Things progress..... that's what happens. But that's no reason to write off a device simply because it's dedicated to do a specific job.

Having one device that does its job very well is better than a hybrid device that compromises performance for the sake of versatility.”

of course that is your opinion. however you must surely be aware that other people have different opinions to yours, and some people like to have a device that can perform multiple tasks, and that's why devices like that are both on the market, and sell in large quantities

it's up to the OP to decide if they want a device that can do many things, or one that is more limited in what it can do, but perhaps do some things better than one that does many
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“Oh really? Did you hear that everyone. Waiting for the Blu-ray player to spit your CD out and load the one your guest brought round to the dinner party or get together isn't a big issue apparently, Unique said so. Well that's alright then [where's the roly eyes smiley when it's needed]

I realise it might not be the case for you, but some of have friends and a social life where these things are important. It would be nice if you actually acknowledged real world issues once in a while”


likewise, as i keep pointing out, some don't. you don't seem to get the idea that not everyone is the same, and people are different, do you?

if you are having a dinner party that involves cd swapping so much and so often that a few seconds of loading time of a cd is an issue, then it sounds to me there are greater issues at the party than the loading time of a disc, however of course in that situation then perhaps a more suitable device such as a dj dual deck cd player would be more suitable so you can play discs without any waiting time. ultimately it's your choice what you want to buy, and it's the OP's choice what they want to buy. a few seconds loading time may be an issue to you, but not to the OP

surely by now you can see just how absolutely ridiculous your responses are getting?
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“There are very few CDs that I play end to end, esp if I've got the house to myself for a couple of hours and fancy a bit of variation before I'm engulfed again. It may not sound much but the long long delay whilst it unloads the current disc followed by the long long long delay for it to load the next CD, is a pain, esp when it happens a number of times through the evening. So too is the slow response on selecting the Next track via the r/c.

It may be what people like to call a first world problem, but it is one all the same. A proper CD player does the job much more fluently. It's also nice that Prev on the CD player works logically, going to the previous track not the start of the current. Small things, but they add up.”

again, that's your opinion based on what you like and what suits you. but consider the OP and what is suitable for them. a few seconds to load a disc may bother some, but won't bother others

sometimes a longer load time on a bluray player can be considered worth it for all the added benefits the player can offer
Chris Frost
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“maybe with you, but your opinions are irrelevant



part of your problem is you make presumptions with insufficient information. i try and avoid doing that, so i won't spend time suggesting equipment until the OP has clarified what they want, what the budget is, etc etc etc”

It's not irelevant to ask you to substantiate your vague recommendation of "HDMI amp". So come on, put up your proposed piece of kit. What's the issue? Or is it that you've realised you've backed yourself in to a corner with nowhere to go?

IMy recommendations come from extensive experience and they centre on real equipment so that the OP can make an I formed decision. Yours on the other hand....
Deacon1972
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“UHD isn't just about to come out however. the standard has only been agreed”

You're either hiding the fact you knew nothing about UHD Bluray or you have no idea what you posted in regards to "on the horizon".....

The BDA confirmed UHD Bluray will be arriving in 2015 in September 2014 at the IFA in Berlin.

Panasonic had the first UHD Bluray player working at CES in January.

The standards have been agreed.

Players are expected to be on the shelves later this year.

Now if that isn't a new format on the horizon that Bluray won't be able to play, I don't know what is......

Originally Posted by unique:
“i recommend something that can do HD audio as well as older formats, as well as home cinema. i think that could be well suited to the OP's needs.”

But you are ignoring their request for audiophile quality, that is my main contention, you don't get that by purchasing multi- format players or home cinema receivers, especially at the OP's price point. You are compromising the quality of CD playback for the slight chance they may want to listen to SACD/DVDA/Bluray audio, all of which are a niche market.

There's a Primare V20 CD player on eBay for £199, it would wipe the floor with any Bluray player at the same price point and higher.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...Text=&_sacat=0

If they had mentioned, CD, vinyl, DVD and Sky HD then I don't think there would be an issue. Trying to get high quality audio from a relatively low budget is hard enough, home cinema equipment is not the way to go. Up to you if you accept those points or not.

Originally Posted by unique:
“you are the one that mentioned a problem, not me”

I know I did, and it was in direct response to you saying, more modern equipment can be upgraded to play other formats, whereas a CD player and turntable can only play what they were initially designed to play. If you were not trying to prove at point modern equipment is more versatile than a CD player/turntable, which the OP is interested in, who's benefit was it for?
Chris Frost
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“part of your problem is you make presumptions with insufficient information. i try and avoid doing that, so i won't spend time suggesting equipment until the OP has clarified what they want, what the budget is, etc etc etc”

The OP has clarified exactly what they want: It was originally a turntable, stereo amp & speakers within a bug et of £700 until you shot down that idea and engineered a change in direction; at which point it became CD and iTunes playback + stereo amp and speakers. The other stated aim is audiophile quality.

So come on; lets see makes models and prices of gear to back up your "factual" (ha ha ha)posts.
SnrDev
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“again, that's your opinion based on what you like and what suits you. but consider the OP and what is suitable for them. a few seconds to load a disc may bother some, but won't bother others

sometimes a longer load time on a bluray player can be considered worth it for all the added benefits the player can offer”

OP was asking about audiophile kit. To my mind that suggests that the prime requirement is to listen to decent quality music, not have a party DJ setup that plays any recorded music format known to man and isn't very good at it.

I said a few pages ago that the best option is to buy something that works, and then progress over time as your knowledge & funds allow. That's still the better option - buy a nice amp, CD player & speakers, enjoy that for now and add to it at a later date if that becomes the requirement. Trying to do a catch-all solution from the off isn't the best way. A good amp & spkrs + a good source will be a joy. Add streaming etc as & when that becomes the next want. For now, spend the money where it matters.
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“It's not irelevant to ask you to substantiate your vague recommendation of "HDMI amp". So come on, put up your proposed piece of kit. What's the issue? Or is it that you've realised you've backed yourself in to a corner with nowhere to go?

IMy recommendations come from extensive experience and they centre on real equipment so that the OP can make an I formed decision. Yours on the other hand....”

but you aren't the OP. you aren't buying. so what you think is irrelevant
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“The OP has clarified exactly what they want: It was originally a turntable, stereo amp & speakers within a bug et of £700 until you shot down that idea and engineered a change in direction; at which point it became CD and iTunes playback + stereo amp and speakers. The other stated aim is audiophile quality.

So come on; lets see makes models and prices of gear to back up your "factual" (ha ha ha)posts.”

wrong. I didn't shoot down the idea. I suggested going down the second hand route if they wanted vinly, or an hdmi amp matched with bluray player if they wanted new

so two very different suggestions, one directed at the mention of vinly, one very different to which seems to be closer to what the OP now wants than the initial post

if you have a problem with that, it's something you need to address within yourself
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“OP was asking about audiophile kit. To my mind that suggests that the prime requirement is to listen to decent quality music, not have a party DJ setup that plays any recorded music format known to man and isn't very good at it.”

at no point in time have I suggested the OP buys any dj equipment

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I said a few pages ago that the best option is to buy something that works, and then progress over time as your knowledge & funds allow. That's still the better option - buy a nice amp, CD player & speakers, enjoy that for now and add to it at a later date if that becomes the requirement. Trying to do a catch-all solution from the off isn't the best way. A good amp & spkrs + a good source will be a joy. Add streaming etc as & when that becomes the next want. For now, spend the money where it matters.”

the bit in bold is wrong. it's simply generalising. it could be the best way for some

however that is your opinion. I've stated mine which differs from yours. it's up to the OP to choose what they think suits them best. what suits you may not suit the OP
unique
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“You're either hiding the fact you knew nothing about UHD Bluray or you have no idea what you posted in regards to "on the horizon".....”

wrong again

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The BDA confirmed UHD Bluray will be arriving in 2015 in September 2014 at the IFA in Berlin.

Panasonic had the first UHD Bluray player working at CES in January.

The standards have been agreed.

Players are expected to be on the shelves later this year.

Now if that isn't a new format on the horizon that Bluray won't be able to play, I don't know what is......”

so to back up your point, which is pretty pointless and irrelevant on this thread, you have to take what I said originally, and summise that I suggested something else, but omitting key words. the most relevant part being that it's just about to come out. it's not expected to hit stores for at least six months

do you really think the OP is interested in buying a UHD player? if not then you are really wasting your time going on about it on this thread

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But you are ignoring their request for audiophile quality,”

wrong again

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that is my main contention,”

well as you are wrong, you won't need to worry about it

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you don't get that by purchasing multi- format players or home cinema receivers,”


wrong again

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especially at the OP's price point.”

that may be your opinion

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You are compromising the quality of CD playback for the slight chance they may want to listen to SACD/DVDA/Bluray audio, all of which are a niche market.”

such a compromise, as undertaken by many people, would however be the choice of the OP, would it not?


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There's a Primare V20 CD player on eBay for £199, it would wipe the floor with any Bluray player at the same price point and higher.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...Text=&_sacat=0

If they had mentioned, CD, vinyl, DVD and Sky HD then I don't think there would be an issue. Trying to get high quality audio from a relatively low budget is hard enough, home cinema equipment is not the way to go.”

again that is your opinion

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Up to you if you accept those points or not.”

actually, it's up to the OP. not me, as I ain't the one buying



Quote:
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I know I did, and it was in direct response to you saying, more modern equipment can be upgraded to play other formats, whereas a CD player and turntable can only play what they were initially designed to play. If you were not trying to prove at point modern equipment is more versatile than a CD player/turntable, which the OP is interested in, who's benefit was it for?”

perhaps the OP is interested in something more modern than a cd player or turntable? have you asked the OP? or are you more interested in arguing the toss about things the OP is unlikely to buy, such as a UHD player?
Chris Frost
04-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“but you aren't the OP. you aren't buying. so what you think is irrelevant”

If you can't back up your posts with hard facts such as equipment makes and models then have the honesty to admit it.
unique
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by Chris Frost:
“If you can't back up your posts with hard facts such as equipment makes and models then have the honesty to admit it.”

once the OP clarifies what they are looking for, if it's along the lines of what i'm suggesting then i may do that. i prefer to use facts to prove or disprove things as opposed to arguing about opinions as you've mostly done here as you don't have any facts to disprove anything i've said

if you wish to suggest makes and models you are free to do so, and if you do so at this stage before the OP replies it would be interesting to see if they end up buying any of them or not
Deacon1972
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by unique:
“once the OP clarifies what they are looking fory,”

They already have, they did it in their second post - they want to visit vinyl at a later date, they now want something to playback their CD's and music from iTunes, they have chosen the speakers, so that just leaves the amp. If you won't take it from me, here it is from the horses mouth.......BIB.

Originally Posted by Matilda.cs:
“hi all,
I've listened to everyone and I've waited to source as much info as possible from all posters.
Some advice has been very good.
I think I'd rather pay more for the Carbon as you get a better deck for only a bit more money. I'm now thinking I'll build a system to play my current collection of CD's/iTunes library and add the turntable afterwards.

Therefore, the only question is, now, speaker and amp.

With the quality of speaker available at £100 new, I'm happy to just go for the Diamond's or the Zensor's. I saw zensor's in white which would compliment my living room.

So I guess, it just leaves me with the Amp.


I'm tempted to look for something second hand as I could always upgrade later. I think I do want something that'll allow me to get the best out of my current CD's and digital collection.

With that in mind - any ideas?

Someone said something with HDMI in, but my pc doesn't support HDMI out? ::confused”

Originally Posted by unique:
“if it's along the lines of what i'm suggesting then i may do that. ”

It's not.

They have a CD player, they want to get the best out of their CD's and digital music and vinyl in the future, still going to suggest HDMI surround sound amps are the best way to go?

Originally Posted by unique:
“i prefer to use facts to prove or disprove things as opposed to arguing about opinions as you've mostly done here as you don't have any facts to disprove anything i've said

if you wish to suggest makes and models you are free to do so, and if you do so at this stage before the OP replies it would be interesting to see if they end up buying any of them or not”

We've said all along the OP is not looking for surround sound and Bluray, you have been the one arguing the toss it might be something the OP is looking for, clearly it is not, now you have the facts maybe you can put a little more thought into your suggestions more in line to what is being asked.

I'll kick it off with something like this....

Linn LK280 Stereo Power Amplifier
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...415722&alt=web

Linn Wakonda pre-amp with MM/MC phono
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...373256&alt=web

Add the cost of their speakers that system would set them back around £730 and have excellent sound quality....
chrisjr
05-03-2015
I rather think all this handbags at dawn stuff has put the OP off. Considering she hasn't posted since last week.
2Bdecided
05-03-2015
Originally Posted by chrisjr:
“I rather think all this handbags at dawn stuff has put the OP off. Considering she hasn't posted since last week.”

Indeed.

Having decided on £100 stereo speakers, the rest of this discussion was pretty irrelevant

Cheers,
David.
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