Apple Live Event Monday March 9th.

IvanIV · 13-03-2015, 12:53

They are learning from the master.

calico_pie · 13-03-2015, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

When people really wanted phablets I noticed Apple adverts always made their small phones seem bigger than reality.

Oh - what did they do?

slattery69 · 13-03-2015, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's the whole point - the pictures don't look right at all! The lines are the same height as the pictures, so its both.

The Yoga is less than 2.5% thinner. The picture of the Yoga is about 25% thinner.

Its not like I'm being picky over an exact measurement - its out by a factor of 10!

Take away the line and the pics look right to me with the yoga been a touch smaller in height and the measurements show 0.3 mm diff. Not that i would imagine many people would be swayed by that without seeing the rest of the machine

slattery69 · 13-03-2015, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

When people really wanted phablets I noticed Apple adverts always made their small phones seem bigger than reality.

post one of the ads up so we can all see it please

Stuart_h · 13-03-2015, 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by slattery69

post one of the ads up so we can all see it please

is this image taking the piss ?

literally unbelievable

no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!!

kidspud · 13-03-2015, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

is this image taking the piss ?

literally unbelievable

no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!!

Non-apple fans seemed to be shocked about a lot of things if this forum is anything to go by. 😀

slattery69 · 13-03-2015, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

is this image taking the piss ?

literally unbelievable

no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!!

Could this be a first Alan was on to something

calico_pie · 13-03-2015, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by slattery69

Take away the line and the pics look right to me with the yoga been a touch smaller in height and the measurements show 0.3 mm diff. Not that i would imagine many people would be swayed by that without seeing the rest of the machine

Are we looking the same image?

Its not just a touch smaller at all - its about 25% smaller. The actual difference is just 2.5%.

calico_pie · 13-03-2015, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

is this image taking the piss ?

literally unbelievable

no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!!

You're surprised that they realised it wasn't meant to depict the actual size of the phone?

You should give them more credit.

alanwarwic · 13-03-2015, 13:59

So for £1000+ you get a 12" 2K screened Macbook 13mm thin, 9 hours battery and under 1KG without any useful ports.
Whilst for £170 you get the 11.6" 720p screened (same factory made?), EE PC X205, 17mm thin, 12 hour battery, under 1KG and a full array of ports such as HDMI.

The enigmatic question now is , which one is really for the power user ?

jonmorris · 13-03-2015, 14:17

If you look at Apple's own pictures, it becomes clear that the 'innards' are really not a lot different to a tablet. The iPad air is quite a beautiful tablet, and there are a range of keyboard options for it.

The MacBook seems to be an upgraded iPad with integrated keyboard, and obviously more battery cells. And of course instead of iOS and it's full-blown OSX - but as we can see, things are gradually moving towards a point where the two will probably merge in some way (perhaps similar in how Microsoft is making Windows the same on computers, tablets and phones).

If you look at it like that, it's suddenly not quite so impressive in terms of technological achievements. The motherboard is tiny, and the screen isn't anything more amazing than available elsewhere (arguably it's less so in terms of pixels, but Apple do use good panels). If this had been an 'iPad pro' then it would have just been seen as the next logical step, and the single port would have perhaps been more acceptable and understandable.

Apple has the money to come up with as many different things as it likes, but it's going to be hard to convince me that you wouldn't be better off with a MacBook Air EVEN IF your usage needs are fairly minimal. And if you need a bit more power, go for the Pro.

I'll hold out for when the MBA line gets Retina and upgrade. I look at my MBA now and don't think it's big or heavy. I'd simply like a bit more battery life and power, which a newer chipset would allow. Oh, and at least two ports (or three given you'll need to charge via one).

calico_pie · 13-03-2015, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

So for £1000+ you get a 12" 2K screened Macbook 13mm thin, 9 hours battery and under 1KG without any useful ports.
Whilst for £170 you get the 11.6" 720p screened (same factory made?), EE PC X205, 17mm thin, 12 hour battery, under 1KG and a full array of ports such as HDMI.

The enigmatic question now is , which one is really for the power user ?

I don't know Alan, and I'd hate to try to second guess you.

But I'm pretty sure the Macbook isn't marketed as a computer for power users, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Fried Kickin · 13-03-2015, 16:18

Looks like the watch manufacturing process isn't as smooth as you'd have expected it to be with reportedly only 30% of watches deemed defect free.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ree-of-defects

simon69c · 14-03-2015, 08:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

The MacBook seems to be an upgraded iPad with integrated keyboard, and obviously more battery cells. And of course instead of iOS and it's full-blown OSX - but as we can see, things are gradually moving towards a point where the two will probably merge in some way (perhaps similar in how Microsoft is making Windows the same on computers, tablets and phones).

I think we are still a long way off that - and no real indication that Apple are intending to move in that direction. OSX has no touchscreen interaction at all, and the way the two OS operate is markedly different. OSX is very much a desktop product completely geared around a physical keyboard and mouse/trackpad, whereas iOS has been all about 99.9% touchscreen from the outset. Let's face it - it has taken Microsoft a long time to get Windows to a position where it is mainstream touch-friendly. The number of interface changes and U-turns over the past few versions (and subversions) of Windows has been crazy compared to how little it had really changed before.

jonmorris · 14-03-2015, 09:59

Might be a way off but I do think that's the ultimate direction. I bet we will see MacBooks with touchscreens at some point too. Perhaps also the iMac.

So what if Steve said it wasn't practical etc.

alanwarwic · 14-03-2015, 10:12

Android has always had mouse functionality built in. The 12 September iPad Pro, meant to stem their falling tablet sales is said to be considering Mouse and USB.

So unless reports got it all wrong this 12" Macbook is much a pointer to the next iPad.
I think they want to give tablet purchasers the IOS experience, so just maybe 'Pro' means 'mouse capability'..

jonmorris · 14-03-2015, 11:05

The iPad pro may well be thinner and lighter still. Same number of ports though!

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IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	They are learning from the master.

13-03-2015, 13:03	#402
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic When people really wanted phablets I noticed Apple adverts always made their small phones seem bigger than reality. Oh - what did they do?

13-03-2015, 13:05	#403
slattery69 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 204	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie That's the whole point - the pictures don't look right at all! The lines are the same height as the pictures, so its both. The Yoga is less than 2.5% thinner. The picture of the Yoga is about 25% thinner. Its not like I'm being picky over an exact measurement - its out by a factor of 10! Take away the line and the pics look right to me with the yoga been a touch smaller in height and the measurements show 0.3 mm diff. Not that i would imagine many people would be swayed by that without seeing the rest of the machine

13-03-2015, 13:06	#404
slattery69 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 204	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic When people really wanted phablets I noticed Apple adverts always made their small phones seem bigger than reality. post one of the ads up so we can all see it please

13-03-2015, 13:22	#405
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by slattery69 post one of the ads up so we can all see it please is this image taking the piss ? literally unbelievable no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!!

13-03-2015, 13:30	#406
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h is this image taking the piss ? literally unbelievable no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!! Non-apple fans seemed to be shocked about a lot of things if this forum is anything to go by. 😀

13-03-2015, 13:32	#407
slattery69 Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 204	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h is this image taking the piss ? literally unbelievable no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!! Could this be a first Alan was on to something

13-03-2015, 13:46	#408
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by slattery69 Take away the line and the pics look right to me with the yoga been a touch smaller in height and the measurements show 0.3 mm diff. Not that i would imagine many people would be swayed by that without seeing the rest of the machine Are we looking the same image? Its not just a touch smaller at all - its about 25% smaller. The actual difference is just 2.5%.

13-03-2015, 13:48	#409
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h is this image taking the piss ? literally unbelievable no way they are that big in reality - im surprised none of the non-Apple fans weren't indignantly shocked !!! You're surprised that they realised it wasn't meant to depict the actual size of the phone? You should give them more credit.

13-03-2015, 13:59	#410
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	So for £1000+ you get a 12" 2K screened Macbook 13mm thin, 9 hours battery and under 1KG without any useful ports. Whilst for £170 you get the 11.6" 720p screened (same factory made?), EE PC X205, 17mm thin, 12 hour battery, under 1KG and a full array of ports such as HDMI. The enigmatic question now is , which one is really for the power user ?

13-03-2015, 14:17	#411
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	If you look at Apple's own pictures, it becomes clear that the 'innards' are really not a lot different to a tablet. The iPad air is quite a beautiful tablet, and there are a range of keyboard options for it. The MacBook seems to be an upgraded iPad with integrated keyboard, and obviously more battery cells. And of course instead of iOS and it's full-blown OSX - but as we can see, things are gradually moving towards a point where the two will probably merge in some way (perhaps similar in how Microsoft is making Windows the same on computers, tablets and phones). If you look at it like that, it's suddenly not quite so impressive in terms of technological achievements. The motherboard is tiny, and the screen isn't anything more amazing than available elsewhere (arguably it's less so in terms of pixels, but Apple do use good panels). If this had been an 'iPad pro' then it would have just been seen as the next logical step, and the single port would have perhaps been more acceptable and understandable. Apple has the money to come up with as many different things as it likes, but it's going to be hard to convince me that you wouldn't be better off with a MacBook Air EVEN IF your usage needs are fairly minimal. And if you need a bit more power, go for the Pro. I'll hold out for when the MBA line gets Retina and upgrade. I look at my MBA now and don't think it's big or heavy. I'd simply like a bit more battery life and power, which a newer chipset would allow. Oh, and at least two ports (or three given you'll need to charge via one).

13-03-2015, 14:41	#412
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic So for £1000+ you get a 12" 2K screened Macbook 13mm thin, 9 hours battery and under 1KG without any useful ports. Whilst for £170 you get the 11.6" 720p screened (same factory made?), EE PC X205, 17mm thin, 12 hour battery, under 1KG and a full array of ports such as HDMI. The enigmatic question now is , which one is really for the power user ? I don't know Alan, and I'd hate to try to second guess you. But I'm pretty sure the Macbook isn't marketed as a computer for power users, so I'm not sure what your point is.

13-03-2015, 16:18	#413
Fried Kickin Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 54,252	Looks like the watch manufacturing process isn't as smooth as you'd have expected it to be with reportedly only 30% of watches deemed defect free. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ree-of-defects

14-03-2015, 08:20	#414
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris The MacBook seems to be an upgraded iPad with integrated keyboard, and obviously more battery cells. And of course instead of iOS and it's full-blown OSX - but as we can see, things are gradually moving towards a point where the two will probably merge in some way (perhaps similar in how Microsoft is making Windows the same on computers, tablets and phones). I think we are still a long way off that - and no real indication that Apple are intending to move in that direction. OSX has no touchscreen interaction at all, and the way the two OS operate is markedly different. OSX is very much a desktop product completely geared around a physical keyboard and mouse/trackpad, whereas iOS has been all about 99.9% touchscreen from the outset. Let's face it - it has taken Microsoft a long time to get Windows to a position where it is mainstream touch-friendly. The number of interface changes and U-turns over the past few versions (and subversions) of Windows has been crazy compared to how little it had really changed before.

14-03-2015, 09:59	#415
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Might be a way off but I do think that's the ultimate direction. I bet we will see MacBooks with touchscreens at some point too. Perhaps also the iMac. So what if Steve said it wasn't practical etc.

14-03-2015, 10:12	#416
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Android has always had mouse functionality built in. The 12 September iPad Pro, meant to stem their falling tablet sales is said to be considering Mouse and USB. So unless reports got it all wrong this 12" Macbook is much a pointer to the next iPad. I think they want to give tablet purchasers the IOS experience, so just maybe 'Pro' means 'mouse capability'..

14-03-2015, 11:05	#417
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	The iPad pro may well be thinner and lighter still. Same number of ports though!

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