I was just wondering (and thought their could be a discussion on it) with Blackberry phones dwindling on the market. What could be next for Blackberry phones? I'm wondering if another mobile manufacturer will buy it out and use some of their patents (I think Google could be in a strong position to buy it out, after selling Motorola to Lenovo).
What next for Blackberry phones.
The big players in the mobile market will probably let Blackberry die and go out of business before picking over the carcass for the patents.
Originally Posted by Richard_T:
“The big players in the mobile market will probably let Blackberry die and go out of business before picking over the carcass for the patents.”
“The big players in the mobile market will probably let Blackberry die and go out of business before picking over the carcass for the patents.”
So are you suggesting Samsung or Lenovo give them some money? BlackBerry need to stop making devices and sell it's services on other platforms.
Blackberry are still sitting on a load of patents aren't they? They used it to sue that iPhone keyboard manufacturer and they won the case. I think there might be a case for them if they switch to Android but there's no room for them because now every phone is capable of what they can do. Only people still buying them are die hard addicts and companies with deep integration with Enterprise Services, I know a lot of Civil Service departments still issue exclusively dumb phones and blackberries because iOS and Android have only just been issued with GSi certification and they don't have the money to move platforms.
I still can't believe they didn't licence and integrate activsync (Microsoft Exchange) sooner.
They may have survived then.
I was reselling Hosted Exchange years ago and would always tell the customer Android fine, iOS fine but don't get a blackberry or you will have to pay an extra £15 per month to interface their BES server to Exchange.
They couldn't see this coming?? I could!
Same old with Nokia, drag on and on with crappy old Symbian. I remember thinking ages ago, surely they'll switch to Android or Windows soon, or write / rewrite their own OS.
But nope.. trudge on...
They may have survived then.
I was reselling Hosted Exchange years ago and would always tell the customer Android fine, iOS fine but don't get a blackberry or you will have to pay an extra £15 per month to interface their BES server to Exchange.
They couldn't see this coming?? I could!
Same old with Nokia, drag on and on with crappy old Symbian. I remember thinking ages ago, surely they'll switch to Android or Windows soon, or write / rewrite their own OS.
But nope.. trudge on...
Blackberry have a market share of 0.42% in the mobile phone industry at the moment with that number due to drop under 0.4% this quarter.
This issue is that Blackberry are going alone and BB10 has not taken off. Last year, Blackberry 10 shipments fell flat on just 5 million shipments, same as 2013. Yet BB7 shipments decreased from around 15 million in 2013 to less than 3 million in 2014. Once Blackberry stop shipping BB7 devices this year then BB10 will be left on its own and at the moment shipments look like they may decrease this year which is terrible news for the company.
Here is some perspective. Apple sold more iPhone 6 and 6+'s in the first month on sale than Blackberry have sold Blackberry 10 devices since launch at the beginning of 2013.
Android marketshare for 2014 was around 82%, Apple under 15%, Windows Phone under 3%. Blackberry10 (not 7) market share accounts for less than 0.4% market share in 2014.
This issue is that Blackberry are going alone and BB10 has not taken off. Last year, Blackberry 10 shipments fell flat on just 5 million shipments, same as 2013. Yet BB7 shipments decreased from around 15 million in 2013 to less than 3 million in 2014. Once Blackberry stop shipping BB7 devices this year then BB10 will be left on its own and at the moment shipments look like they may decrease this year which is terrible news for the company.
Here is some perspective. Apple sold more iPhone 6 and 6+'s in the first month on sale than Blackberry have sold Blackberry 10 devices since launch at the beginning of 2013.
Android marketshare for 2014 was around 82%, Apple under 15%, Windows Phone under 3%. Blackberry10 (not 7) market share accounts for less than 0.4% market share in 2014.
Maybe I shall be ridiculed but have just bought my Z10 after a few years with Android. I thought I would give it a try.
I can only say that as a phone, which I mainly use it for it's by far the best I have ever had. It pulls in signal far better than previous phones in my week signal area, the speakers are very clear and the OS is very easy to navigate. Battery life is good. The apps available are useful, not a lot of junk bulking out the store.
I am in no way a Blackberry fanatic, just very pleased I now have a product that I see no need to change in the foreseeable future.
PS. I have a Playbook and a galaxy tablet too.
I can only say that as a phone, which I mainly use it for it's by far the best I have ever had. It pulls in signal far better than previous phones in my week signal area, the speakers are very clear and the OS is very easy to navigate. Battery life is good. The apps available are useful, not a lot of junk bulking out the store.
I am in no way a Blackberry fanatic, just very pleased I now have a product that I see no need to change in the foreseeable future.
PS. I have a Playbook and a galaxy tablet too.
Originally Posted by robbra:
“Maybe I shall be ridiculed but have just bought my Z10 after a few years with Android. I thought I would give it a try.
I can only say that as a phone, which I mainly use it for it's by far the best I have ever had. It pulls in signal far better than previous phones in my week signal area, the speakers are very clear and the OS is very easy to navigate. Battery life is good. The apps available are useful, not a lot of junk bulking out the store.
I am in no way a Blackberry fanatic, just very pleased I now have a product that I see no need to change in the foreseeable future.
PS. I have a Playbook and a galaxy tablet too.”
“Maybe I shall be ridiculed but have just bought my Z10 after a few years with Android. I thought I would give it a try.
I can only say that as a phone, which I mainly use it for it's by far the best I have ever had. It pulls in signal far better than previous phones in my week signal area, the speakers are very clear and the OS is very easy to navigate. Battery life is good. The apps available are useful, not a lot of junk bulking out the store.
I am in no way a Blackberry fanatic, just very pleased I now have a product that I see no need to change in the foreseeable future.
PS. I have a Playbook and a galaxy tablet too.”
I don't think anyone has ever doubted there hardware chops, cellular and WiFi connection has always been good. And BB10 is a powerful os..nthe problem is the eco sytem as a whole.
Their marketing seems to be scant compared to the other companies.
My 2 year vodafone contract ends in May - I have a BBQ10 - I love this phone. Ive been into Vodafone to look for the new Classic and the Passport and they don't have any.
They can get me one if I order online and they'll give me 14 days to decide whether I want to keep it.
But I want to be able to go into a store and see some before I commit. I want to look at both new ones to compare.
I'm told that 'maybe' Carphone warehouse will have some in store.
If BB's arent out there for browsing shoppers to look at, how can they hope to sell?
I really dislike touch phone keypads. The BB's give me a physical keyboard and a touchscreen, so for me they are the best of both worlds and I think a lot of people might get to like them if they could only get to look at some instore and handle them.
But it's looking like I will have to go with a touchscreen only because that's all the stores are stocking.
WHY?
Why aren't the BB handsets in all stores competing with others? How can you win a battle if you have no presence at the front?
My 2 year vodafone contract ends in May - I have a BBQ10 - I love this phone. Ive been into Vodafone to look for the new Classic and the Passport and they don't have any.
They can get me one if I order online and they'll give me 14 days to decide whether I want to keep it.
But I want to be able to go into a store and see some before I commit. I want to look at both new ones to compare.
I'm told that 'maybe' Carphone warehouse will have some in store.
If BB's arent out there for browsing shoppers to look at, how can they hope to sell?
I really dislike touch phone keypads. The BB's give me a physical keyboard and a touchscreen, so for me they are the best of both worlds and I think a lot of people might get to like them if they could only get to look at some instore and handle them.
But it's looking like I will have to go with a touchscreen only because that's all the stores are stocking.
WHY?
Why aren't the BB handsets in all stores competing with others? How can you win a battle if you have no presence at the front?
Originally Posted by chitarivera:
“WHY?
Why aren't the BB handsets in all stores competing with others? How can you win a battle if you have no presence at the front?
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“WHY?
Why aren't the BB handsets in all stores competing with others? How can you win a battle if you have no presence at the front?
”
Because even when they are in stores no one buys them.
Blackberry has become such a niche product now in the UK.
What was most disappointing is that Chen has signed off 4 new phones this year which bring nothing new to the table.
The fact they're releasing a version of the Blackberry Classic WITHOUT A CAMERA in the US just shows how out of touch they are. Yes Blackberry is a niche product but 99% of Smartphone owners use the camera at least once a month. Especially a front camera nowadays. The fact that they removed this is just proof that their handset division will fail horrendously this year. I understand that even Blackberry themselves see that they're niche and need to cater to business users but getting rid of the camera, announcing new mid range phones at top tier prices and not having a presence in retail stores will be the final nail in the coffin.
Couple that with sharply declining BB7 unit sales and BB10 won't be able to ship enough to make production worthwhile.
The active install base of Blackberry users is falling fast with now less than 40 million unique users.
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“So are you suggesting Samsung or Lenovo give them some money? BlackBerry need to stop making devices and sell it's services on other platforms.”
“So are you suggesting Samsung or Lenovo give them some money? BlackBerry need to stop making devices and sell it's services on other platforms.”
Im not suggeesting that they give blackberry money, more along the lines of allowing blackberry to go out of business ( ie bankrupt) then buying the remains from the receivers for their own purposes.
There is a market for a really secure reliable consumer well secured phone and email service.
The snooping of GCHQ and the NSA is getting beyond a joke. No one would trust Apple or Google to be secure but Blackberry could be that firm, but they'd need to up sticks from Canada and go somewhere where the NSA and GCHQ can't get at them with their usual threats.
The snooping of GCHQ and the NSA is getting beyond a joke. No one would trust Apple or Google to be secure but Blackberry could be that firm, but they'd need to up sticks from Canada and go somewhere where the NSA and GCHQ can't get at them with their usual threats.
Originally Posted by Richard_T:
“Im not suggeesting that they give blackberry money, more along the lines of allowing blackberry to go out of business ( ie bankrupt) then buying the remains from the receivers for their own purposes.”
“Im not suggeesting that they give blackberry money, more along the lines of allowing blackberry to go out of business ( ie bankrupt) then buying the remains from the receivers for their own purposes.”
They could definitely do that. Capitalism is a cut throat business. After MWC I feel more positive about blackberry. The devices shown there combined with the passport and classic are interesting and different. Of course time will tell if this equals sales.
I'm a recent convert to Blackberry having bought a Z10 in February. I was on Android for a few years but the Z10 OS is so slick and easy to use I would be reluctant to return if I had to. The phone is very good at drawing a strong signal where I struggled before(could be down to my old phones) and the Hub puts all incoming in one place.
Instead of just a phone it is starting to replace my tablet too.
I hope they start to advertise more and get some up to date reviews on their products.
Instead of just a phone it is starting to replace my tablet too.
I hope they start to advertise more and get some up to date reviews on their products.
My contract ends in May.
Do I get a BB Passport on a 2 year contract and hope they don't go bust or do I bow to everyone else and put up with a phone with no physical keyboard even though I don't really like them.
I love my Q10.
PS
I'm not bothered about a camera on my BB phone - they are rubbish anyway. If I want to take a pic I use my little Olympus.
Do I get a BB Passport on a 2 year contract and hope they don't go bust or do I bow to everyone else and put up with a phone with no physical keyboard even though I don't really like them.
I love my Q10.
PS
I'm not bothered about a camera on my BB phone - they are rubbish anyway. If I want to take a pic I use my little Olympus.
