Not sure if whether those getting their TV via cable or satellite will get their local BBC station. Does anyone know?

I thnk that there may be a few BBC LR on cable but now with the Portal it is fairly easy to pipe them all to a super head end..
sat is more complex due to Epg and regionalisation costs .. So is less likely

Yet years ago the old Diamond Cable/NTL FM Hook Up used to have BBC Radio Nottingham on 92.0FM* Alas Digital had less radio than that (IIRC there wasn't any when we got it in September 2001 but by May 2002 it has been added).

*Plus Trent FM on 92.4 and Century on 94.0, along with the five BBC National services, Classic FM, Virgin Radio, Sky Movies Premier, MTV, and The Box.

The ex-Telewest part of Virgin Media carried BBC LR and primary ILR services for many years. Local radio was dropped from cable quite a while after the merger and prior to the introduction of the NGTV platform.

It would be relatively easy to add the BBC LR stations to cable but, having recently removed them, possibly not something that will happen any time soon.

For anyone interested in the SIDs of future BBC LR stations on the BBC A mux, the following list shows how they have been allocated to the primary editorial regions.


This structure seems to confirm that the BBC won't be splitting up SIPSI regions to accommodate extra LR services. It does, however, seem to indicate that more than 4 BBC LRs will appear in some regions.

Bear in mind that this doesn't give any indication of possible coverage of BBC LR stations with large overlaps outside their main editorial region. Where BBC LRs are duplicated across regions they will keep the SID of the service in the primary editorial region.

There's no sign of that so far on satellite and the only local station on satellite as far as I'm aware (not including home nations' radio) is BBC London 94.9.

No real chance of regional radio appearing on dsat. Every channel would cost the same as a national one, there's no ability to only transmit to a specific English region like you can with DTT and cable areas, so they can't share transponder bandwidth.

Clearly London is a special case, their local radio is vital since there's no other stations that cover their news Actually I'm surprised the BBC think they can get away with that. Perhaps they think by having it only appear in the EPG in the London area the rest of us won't notice them favouring London.

I wonder why? Look North Hull and Radio Humberside share facilities, so Radio Humberside really should've been in that initial batch as mentioned on the first page of this thread:

Would that really matter? They make each regional version of BBC 1 etc available to everyone on satellite. Making all of the BBC LR channels generally available on satellite would avoid any geo-restriction costs.

The cost of adding an extra 40 radio stations would probably be the limiting factor for satellite.


They don't seem to worry about BBC London being available to everyone on cable.

I hope you've not broken any NDAs posting that info in the public domain, but thank you, interesting. Interesting that BBC LRs that straddle TV regions, are not duplicated.
For instance Solent for Dorset is not to be carried on the SW region SIPSI. Odd, because it would bring the station to the towns in West Dorset that can't receive the station on FM or AM. Similar for Sussex, not being carried on the South SIPSI, which removes it from all of West Sussex

Sorry Guys, what do the initials TS ID 4161 and SID 6145 mean and stand for?

Thanks in advance

TS: Transport Stream (The entire lump of data that carries all the services)

SID: Service IDentification (How each service is identified within the TS)

TSID - Transport Stream ID - the unique ID given to that multiplex combination
e.g. Nottingham Local 32780 from Nottingham and Waltham, 16517 for the BBC B (HD multiplex - not sure if this is England or East Midlands).

SID - Service ID - the unique ID given to that service (i.e. every channel in the UK has a unique ID - i.e. no sharing of numbers between BBC Alba and Notts TV despite them sharing an LCN (i.e. channel 8).

What I understood from that post is that the list only shows the stations that will appear in their primary editorial regions; it doesn't mean that stations won't be duplicated in neighbouring areas. For example, from that list:


And yet we've already seen Norfolk and Cambridgeshire duplicated in each other's region.

It would indeed be a nonsense if BBC Sussex didn't also appear in the South; similarly it would be daft for BBC Surrey to only appear in the South East region as only a relatively small number of people in the far east of the county actually receive South East Today as their regional news on DTT.

Unfortunately, the list doesn't give any indication of where services will be duplicated between regions. As duplicate services in adjacent regions will use the same SID as the primary editorial region, it's impossible to draw any conclusions about where services will be duplicated.


Yes, exactly.

Realised this morning that radio Solent channel 719 has disappeared from freeview. Any info why or if it will return?

You probably are watching a different transmitter. Radio Solent is only on Rowridge Hannington or Midhurst.

Where are you and what transmitter do you receive?

I am in Crookhorn, Waterlooville, not sure what transmitter! Was receiving it ok on Sunday!

In Waterloovillie, it'll be Rowridge, if it is another transmitter it'll be Midhurst, or the Horndean relay, all of which carry Solent on 719.

I'll check Hannington tonight when I get home...

Radio Solent is still working for me on 719.
Im rowridge.
Just did a new scan also and its still there.

Any info(or gossip) on any new local radio stations appearing.

Why is Solent on Hannington? This isn't even in the Solent TSA! Surely Radio Berkshire should be on Hannington?

Only a small number of BBC Local Radio stations are currently on Freeview - essentially those co-sited with TV regional studios eg Newcastle and Solent. They appear on Freeview across the tv region even if another station would be appropriate from a particular transmitter. For example Bilsdale has Newcastle rather than Tees.

In due course more will be added.

Or Radio Devon from Caradon Hill and Redruth (ie. Cornwall). Given the fact that R Devon's FM coverage seems to be so good, you can probably get it on the Isles of Scilly, it's not a huge scandal.

Hopefully R Cornwall joins it in due course

Because it gets the same feed as ROW .....
And because it's easy to get a feed from SO
...... But eventually there will be multiple LR stations on each Tx.