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BBC Local Radio roll-out on Freeview
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jimbo
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Conveniently I am not in Cornwall for the next day or so so I can't see what Caradon Hill has, but if they've added anything Radio Cornwall would be a shoe in, maybe Radio Somerset / Radio Solent too

I will have a look when I get back unless someone else does it first.”

Thank you
chrisy
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Sandy Heath”

Nothing yet. It took them a few days to get round all the regions last time.
jimbo
10-05-2016
Not sure if this is common throughout the country but it appears that the new BBC locals on Freeview are broadcasting in mono.
jimbo
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by chrisy:
“Nothing yet. It took them a few days to get round all the regions last time.”

Thanks. Please keep us posted.
epsilon
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Also, what does Olivers Mount take?”

Olivers Mount should be the same as Emley Moor.
jimbo
10-05-2016
Originally Posted by epsilon:
“Olivers Mount should be the same as Emley Moor.”

Thanks. I think Oliver's Mount is a relay but for some reason it is shown on maps similar to a main transmitter.
chrisy
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“3202 (3200) 6148: BBC London 94.9 (Crystal Palace)
3402 (3400) 6284: BBC Radio Surrey (Crystal Palace)”

Looking at the IDs, BBC London should be on LCN 719 (as the rest with ID 3200 are), but it's on 721, where the channels with ID 3400 are. And one of those channels is coming to Crystal Palace. So... I think BBC London has just been keeping 721 warm and will move to 719 when this next batch launch.

3200 - 719
3300 - 720
3400 - 721
3500 - 722
3600 - 734 (or 726 if DUK are LCN sharing)
3700 - 735 (or 729 if DUK are LCN sharing)
Toxteth O'Grady
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Thanks. Do you have the APIDs for these please? Also shouldn't Radio Shropshire also be there? I wonder what region that will go on?”

Shropshire should be on the same Mux as the rest of the West Midlands. As Stoke seems to be on the North West mux maybe it's Shropshire not Stoke on the W Mids
Toxteth O'Grady
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by The Turk:
“Thanks for the replies. I have another question. How is the BBC London Freeview tv area going to fit in all those BBC LR stations for the surrounding counties in addition to the BBC London LR station itself?”

Presumably Kent and Sussex are on the South East region so that's just Surrey, Berkshire, 3Counties and Essex in addition to London. So that's not more than other regions have
jimbo
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by Toxteth O'Grady:
“Shropshire should be on the same Mux as the rest of the West Midlands. As Stoke seems to be on the North West mux maybe it's Shropshire not Stoke on the W Mids”

Shropshire is still missing from Sutton Coldfield and yes it is Stoke that is there. What is on Sutton Coldfield is shown in a previous post including SID numbers. The radio sttions have the same SID numbers even if they are on more than one transmitter but the PIDs can vary.
Toxteth O'Grady
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Shropshire is still missing from Sutton Coldfield and yes it is Stoke that is there. What is on Sutton Coldfield is shown in a previous post including SID numbers. The radio sttions have the same SID numbers even if they are on more than one transmitter but the PIDs can vary.”

Odd, wonder why it's been missed.... unless they're going to introduce a new Mux for The Wrekin, which is very unlikely
jimbo
11-05-2016
Posted at a516digital.com

Mendip has the following added in addition to Radio Bristol:

6209: BBC Radio Gloucestershire
6211: BBC Radio Solent
6273: BBC Wiltshire
6337: BBC Somerset

No other info is known as yet.
kev
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Not sure if this is common throughout the country but it appears that the new BBC locals on Freeview are broadcasting in mono.”

All five locals on Waltham are in 80kbps Mono.
anthony david
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“All five locals on Waltham are in 80kbps Mono.”

The service is mainly for people on the move in hotel rooms etc, a job it does very well. People at home have access to normal radios. It would be unreasonable to transmit fewer services in stereo for the tiny number who want to listen or record local radio at home this way.
kev
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by anthony david:
“The service is mainly for people on the move in hotel rooms etc, a job it does very well. People at home have access to normal radios. It would be unreasonable to transmit fewer services in stereo for the tiny number who want to listen or record local radio at home this way.”

In which case it would be nice if Hotels would add them then (and give access to the EPG too)... (which to be fair smaller B&B's seem to manage with just fine).

The other side effect of all the LR being on Freeview is that MW becomes even less needed in most areas.... (i.e. DAB (or FM) out and about with Freeview taking over at home in the blackspots)
Mark C
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Thanks. I think Oliver's Mount is a relay but for some reason it is shown on maps similar to a main transmitter.”

Oliver's Mount was a relay in the analogue days, but because it carries all 6 muxes, it's fibre fed for DTT, so that's why it now gets listed as a 'main'. However it's in the the same SIPSI group as Emley, so it will mirror that.
jimbo
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by Mark C:
“Oliver's Mount was a relay in the analogue days, but because it carries all 6 muxes, it's fibre fed for DTT, so that's why it now gets listed as a 'main'. However it's in the the same SIPSI group as Emley, so it will mirror that.”

Thanks for that clarification.
Toxteth O'Grady
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by anthony david:
“The service is mainly for people on the move in hotel rooms etc, a job it does very well. People at home have access to normal radios. It would be unreasonable to transmit fewer services in stereo for the tiny number who want to listen or record local radio at home this way.”

Also as mentioned on the last page it's up to the way most the stations are delivered to the coding and muxing centres. I'm pretty sure the online streams are mono too. That will change as it's being replaced
steveboswell
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“The other side effect of all the LR being on Freeview is that MW becomes even less needed in most areas.... (i.e. DAB (or FM) out and about with Freeview taking over at home in the blackspots)”

This is a really good point -- broadcasters across Europe are switching off MW, and the BBC needs to keep cutting costs. Having local radio stations available on Freeview will help them do both.

The BBC shut down some CBBC and CBeebies text services a few weeks ago. Does anyone know how much bandwidth they used -- presumably, that is partly where the capacity to add these new radio services is coming from.
epsilon
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Posted at a516digital.com

Mendip has the following added in addition to Radio Bristol:

6209: BBC Radio Gloucestershire
6211: BBC Radio Solent
6273: BBC Wiltshire
6337: BBC Somerset

No other info is known as yet.”

6211 is the Dorset version of Radio Solent.

Just a reminder, and to assist anyone trying to identify which channels have been added to their regional mux, I listed the SID allocations in an earlier post: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=77340868
jimbo
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by epsilon:
“6211 is the Dorset version of Radio Solent.

Just a reminder, and to assist anyone trying to identify which channels have been added to their regional mux, I listed the SID allocations in an earlier post: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=77340868”

Thanks for that clarification. Any news on North East, Border region, South East, South, South West and Channel Islands yet?

Thanks
AngusMast
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by steveboswell:
“The BBC shut down some CBBC and CBeebies text services a few weeks ago. Does anyone know how much bandwidth they used -- presumably, that is partly where the capacity to add these new radio services is coming from.”

The data stream bitrates have not changed, as far as I know.
epsilon
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Thanks for that clarification. Any news on North East, Border region, South East, South, South West and Channel Islands yet?

Thanks”

I haven't been able to lock onto the signal for Bilsdale but did notice, last night, that there are 4 extra audio streams. Presumably, North East & Cumbria will carry Radio Tees and Radio Cumbria, in addition to the Radio Newcastle service already carried. The most likely candidates for the other 2 streams are Radio York and Radio Lancashire (the only overlap areas). As I can't actually see the SID numbers, I can't confirm this.
jimbo
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by epsilon:
“I haven't been able to lock onto the signal for Bilsdale but did notice, last night, that there are 4 extra audio streams. Presumably, North East & Cumbria will carry Radio Tees and Radio Cumbria, in addition to the Radio Newcastle service already carried. The most likely candidates for the other 2 streams are Radio York and Radio Lancashire (the only overlap areas). As I can't actually see the SID numbers, I can't confirm this.”

Interesting. I would assume if you managed to store the channels you will be able to see the SID numbers? Depends what equipment you are using I suppose!
epsilon
11-05-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Interesting. I would assume if you managed to store the channels you will be able to see the SID numbers? Depends what equipment you are using I suppose! ”

It was with Transedit, I could see that individual streams were present and the stream IDs (PIDs) but the signal strength was basically at the noise floor so the software wouldn't even recognise the signal as DVB-T.
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