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Daniel Dare
10-05-2015
I'd be interested to know how you think Omega did 'something' as opposed to Sutekh not doing 'something'?
And by something I don't mean simply being unable to physically move for 3/4 of the story.
Yes, Omega's threat was looming as it was draining the power of the Time Lord's home world but it wasn't apocalyptic as Sutekh's pure evilness.

I'm not having a go, as I'm genuinely curious as to your approach. I'm not trying to make you like it as it is entirely your choice not to like it but I am trying to make you look at it in a different way by taking on board a different opinion.
adams66
10-05-2015
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“I'd be interested to know how you think he did 'something' as opposed to Sutekh not doing 'something'?
And by something I don't mean simply being unable to physically move for 3/4 of the story.
Yes, Omega's threat was looming as it was draining the power of the Time Lord's home world but it wasn't apocalyptic as Sutekh's pure evilness.

I'm not having a go, as I'm genuinely curious as to your approach. I'm not trying to make you like it as it is entirely your choice not to like it but I am trying to make you look at it in a different way by taking on board a different opinion.”

I think you might be wasting your time trying to talk sense to Dalekbuster. He delights in posting contentious messages arguing that black is white, purely, it seems, to get a reaction from other posters against his contrary views.
Initially his posts were almost endearingly dopey, but he's become increasingly obnoxious and unpleasant and so I'm trying hard to bite my tongue (or whatever the keyboard equivalent is) whenever he posts something.
Perhaps it'd be best if everyone did the same.
bennythedip
10-05-2015
The stolen earth/journeys end. Too much thrown into it, does not really work for me. End of time worked better for me because there were less characters in it. Just wish it was Cameron getting exterminated by the daleks rather than Harriett Jones.
Face Of Jack
10-05-2015
I soooo hated those Moffat stories when he brought everyone back to life!! Amy and RORY in particular!! He destroyed the impact of death in a story!! "Oh we can kill them and bring them back to life" strategy - NOO! What's the point of a cliff-hanger in that respect?
Hopefully death means DEATH in the 12th Doctors era. Otherwise we'll be seeing Adric and Jean Marsh returning soon.
saladfingers81
10-05-2015
Originally Posted by Face Of Jack:
“I soooo hated those Moffat stories when he brought everyone back to life!! Amy and RORY in particular!! He destroyed the impact of death in a story!! "Oh we can kill them and bring them back to life" strategy - NOO! What's the point of a cliff-hanger in that respect?
Hopefully death means DEATH in the 12th Doctors era. Otherwise we'll be seeing Adric and Jean Marsh returning soon. ”

I know! It's like the time Moffat killed off Captain Jack but then brought him back almost immediately and then he made it seem like Rose would die but then she didn't die but then she could never see the Doctor again ever because of reasons but then she could see him again for more reasons and then he made it so Donna could never remember anything or else she would die but then she could remember things and wouldn't die but could do weird inexplicable stuff to save herself from The Master. Damn you Moffat!
Airborae
11-05-2015
Reminds me of the article I just read - Five Forgettable Doctor Who Stories. For what it's worth mine are:

5 - Last Christmas (not a bad story, but not exactly one of the best with some dodgy acting from the 'dreamers' and an ending that was the cop-out equivalent of someone experiencing an adventure, waking up and finding it was all a dream) - Sorry Steven Moffat you really really dropped the ball on that one. Clara becoming young again was a real face palm moment.

4 - Let's Kill Hitler (what an absolute dreadful episode with one of the worst titles in the show's history) - again Steven Moffat you could have done so much better.

3 - The Rings Of Akhaten (it should have been so much better with more emphasis on the relationship between the Doctor and Clara and the alien audience just sat there with no emotion (rather like the Tory/Daily Mail party Conference every year))

2 - The Doctor, The Widow & The Wardrobe (oh dear oh dear oh dear. Not the most scintilating of stories, no clear explanation of how a Christmas present 'box' can transport people to another planet or the cop-out ending when Madge saved her husband. Just didn't work in any sense, no monster to fight and no sympathetic character either.)

1 - The Wedding Of River Song (what an absolute mess of a story that should have tied up all the loose ends, left ambiguous questions that left fans fighting it out in the forums exchanging vile insults at each other over who's right and who's wrong and finally a plot that made no sort of coherent sense, or didn't even try to make coherent sense) - imho the worst episode of Nu Who in it's 10 years.
Mulett
11-05-2015
I remember The Sea Devils being just terrifying when I was little. Watching it as an adult, I was surprised how very slow moving it is.

In modern Who, I am always surprised how popular The 11th Hour is. It just didn't hit the mark with me at all. Although, to be honest, most of Moffat's season openers/season finales leave me a little bored although I did quite enjoy Asylum of the Daleks.
CoalHillJanitor
11-05-2015
The Five Doctors, of beloved memory. Sadly it's a dog's breakfast of a story that exists solely to jam in as many old characters as possible, plus the spectacularly pointless Raston Warrior Robot. There's no time for Sarah Jane or Susan to have realistic reactions upon seeing the Doctor again, yet time is wasted on so many extra plot elements that make about as much sense as Kalid in Time-Flight.

I might be tempted to call it the nadir of John Nathan-Turner's era, but at least it made better use of Patrick Troughton than The Two Doctors.
Mulett
11-05-2015
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“The Five Doctors, of beloved memory. Sadly it's a dog's breakfast of a story that exists solely to jam in as many old characters as possible, plus the spectacularly pointless Raston Warrior Robot. There's no time for Sarah Jane or Susan to have realistic reactions upon seeing the Doctor again.”

It certainly hasn't aged well, particularly compared with today's more complex and thoughtful story telling - its hard to compare the Sarah Jane in this story with the Sarah Jane we had in School Reunion.

As I recall, in the Target novel adaptation it points out more clearly that Sarah Jane would have liked to have met up with the 4th Doctor again. I guess she felt there was no point having a "It wasn't Croydon" conversation with the 3rd Doctor as he wouldn't have a clue what she was talking about.

But at the time it was terribly exciting and, to be honest, I think all I wanted as a Who fan in 1983 (aged 13) was to jam in as many old characters as possible!
Irma Bunt
11-05-2015
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“...plus the spectacularly pointless Raston Warrior Robot.”

That's the highlight, for me. That and seeing the Third Doctor finally encounter the Cybermen.

No arguments on it being a dog's dinner, mind...
shortcrust
11-05-2015
The Five Doctors is my most rewatched story! Yes, full of nonsense, but perfect for a rainy Sunday afternoon.
broadshoulder
18-05-2015
The curse of fenric
simongvs70
19-05-2015
For me most of Tom's last series (#18) is dull & boring. Hive & Meglos were both mediocre (although it's been about two decades since I last watched them, so if they turn up on Horror, I'll give them another go) but Full Circle had some interesting ideas and i do love a vampire story. It also helps that State... spun off two of my favourite prose stories. But after then it all goes downhill until Peter takes over in the final scene.
Spuddy Buddy
21-05-2015
For me, the worst Classic Who story has to be The Mutants. It appears fairly early on in Jon Pertwee's era but it's soooo slow. Not only that, it's boring too. The actual story could have been interesting but it gets bogged down in 'Mutt' talk and the main baddie is too obnoxious for words. He also doesn't have a satisfactory end - just faded into oblivion by Super Ky!

As for new Who, Love and Monsters is probably the weakest story. Although it does have ELO, so that's a big redeeming feature!
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