congratulations. this must be the most childish post ever.

im not rising to your bait, now move on.

Seems like a perfectly fair post to me?

Seriously? But youve probably had no dealings with this character whos aim is to bicker, argue, belittle, time and time again.

Just look at what hes doing here, going on at me, telling me im wrong, but when asked to provide a reason, evidence on why my statement is wrong refuses to do so. This is exactly what he did when arguing with someone else regarding 'filler' on who albums... Insisting there was but refusing to identify which tracks he was referring to.

Maybe you can enlighten me, i say theres no strong original genres going on now... To the caliber of the greats i cited in the past. Apparently im wrong, and there is, but he flatly refuses to prove me wrong by posting facts that highlight these. Instead he still inisits im wrong by just saying so. Maybe you can provide the evidence to prove my point is wrong? Or do you agree with me? Because (as ever) hes the only one who thinks there is.

His arguments follow the same pattern time and time again, just go read his posting history.. It makes hilarious reading. Hence ill not reply to his inflamitory bait, seen it all before.

I don't think there is a lack of variety in music, but there is a lack of variety on TV and in the charts compared to years ago, with the only music seeming to get coverage (in the UK at least) are boy/girl bands, R&B etc. I've been watching the reruns of Top of the Pops and the variety is staggering - Disco, Heavy Metal, Punk, Country, Easy listening/ballads, pop, all on the same show.

Music is worse than ever, no doubt about it. Seriously, what artists are there today that are just as good as the likes of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Nothing funnier than people on here and other forums saying music is than ever' when It obviously isn't. Before people tell me 'it's out there, you need to look for it' I have. Arcade Fire-shit, The National-shit, Vampire Weekend-shit, St. Vincent-shit, Tame Impala-one good song, the rest shit.

"Today's music is rubbish!"

The plaintive cry of Grandads everywhere since 1955. You just got old, that's all. Roger Daltrey would not be impressed.

Agreed. It's why the only radio I listen to is community radio.

Here's a playlist of what my local community radio station played in the past 2 hours (complete with handy youtube links):

The Reverend Peyton's Big Damn Band - Raise a Little Hell (2015; roots/rock)
Taj Mahal - Six Days on the Road (1969; blues/rock)
Head Over Heart - no sleep (2014; indie/synth)
Night Terrors of 1927 - When You Were Mine (2015; synthrock)
Best Coast - I Don't Know How (2013; country/janglepop)
Lykke Li - I Follow Rivers (2010; dream pop)
Elvis Perkins - & Eveline (2015; folk)
Sturgill Simpson - Life of Sin (2014; classic country)
First Aid Kit - Waitress Song (2014; americana)
The Lone Bellow - Then Came the Morning (2015; roots/blues)
Ryan Adams & The Cardinals - Dear John (2007; jam)
Valerie June - Somebody to Love (2013; gospel)
Jillian Bessett - Easy (2014; folk)
Courtney Barnett - Pedestrian at Best (2015; lofi)
Benjamin Booker - Wicked Waters (2014; garage rock)
The Mountain Goats - This Year (2005; indie folk)
Nic Armstrong & The Thieves - Broken Mouth Blues (2005; alt rock)
Brandi Carlile - I Belong to You (2015; country)
Thao with the Get Down Stay Down - Bag of Hammers (2008; folk rock)
Matthew E. White - Rock & Roll is Cold (2015; rhythm & blues)

Pretty wide variety of music in a 2-hour block.

Interesting, I listened through almost all of the list (some links didn't work). There is a decent bit of thought that went into that list. There isn't actually the sonic variation that your genre count suggests, that's largely because some 'genres/sub-genres' don't sound all that different from each other. There is a bit of variety in quality there as well. Nonetheless there is much to like. You would find a similar list on BBC6 much of the time. This notion that you have to search far and deep to hear 'good' music is sounding a bit jaundiced.

I can hear why First Aid Kit get such rave reviews, their music is well crafted. But some of the other songs lack sparkle for me and I'm relieved how retro many of these modern 'sub-genres' are.

The OP was talking about old TOTP which reflected the pop charts of its time. For me that's where the change is and chart music shows less variety than in earlier eras. The idea that there is a wide range of quality music being listened to by comparatively small audiences is nothing new. And the point made earlier that there are music types (e.g.metal and country) that have comparatively large live audiences but don't feature much on mainstream music is a good one.

In the future 30, 40 years from now I can imagine 1D, Ed Sheeran and Beyonce will be played as the music of this era and much of the above will be the 'hidden gems' being rediscovered on BBC Retro 1 by the future grandads writing here.

that's the problem though, he doesn't like posts like that so has to belittle them


says the man who is relentless at doing that, plus sends PM's to people to ask them to wind up other members of this site, which he has sent me himself


wrong again. if you bother to spend more time reading than posting, you would see where i've given or pointed to evidence where you are wrong. you only need to google to find out the evidence. don't be lazy and expect people to pander to your ridiculous requests

in addition to that, when the evidence is presented to you and it's pointed out to you where you will find the evidence, no matter how wrong you are, such as with the nonsense argument about the bee gees not being british, and no matter how much detailed proof there is, you refuse to accept it and accept and admit you are wrong, and you have event stated on this very thread that you refuse to change your mind. so why would someone bother wasting time on such nonsense?


wrong. entirely different situation. however similarly, to reduce the amount of nonsense and bickering and arguing you can reply with, i provide you with less words to argue over. you say you don't want to argue, so i help you out in that respect by giving you less to argue with. of course, whilst you say you don't want to argue, and say you don't want to discuss or reply to me (or words to those affect, or at the very least words suggesting that is the case), such as on this very thread, you still continue to reply. the perfect example is this thread where you make one post saying you don't want to argue/answer/whatever and then the very next post you make on this thread is 15 minutes later, replying to another of my posts, so bearing in mind the time taken to read and type that answer, you must have changed your mind within 5 or 10 minutes

so contrary to what you actually say about not changing your mind, the simple fact of the matter is that you do


as has been pointed out several times, you can find them for yourself by googling. instead you are either lazy and/or want others to post things so you can argue about them. do the work for yourself if you really want to know. if you spent the time you spent here arguing and moaning about things in a more productive manner you could use the time to find the answers for yourself


wrong again. throughout the thread there are numerous comments telling you why you are wrong, and pointing you in the direction to find out the answers and why you are wrong. such as on this thread. so to take the above as an example, you are wrong, and if you read this thread from the start you will see for yourself my comments telling you where you are wrong. just like this section here


wrong again. look at the top of this thread as an example, and look through the thread for other examples of people saying you are wrong, and use google to find more evidence for yourself


well you said the same/similar thing earlier on the thread and posted another reply within 15 minutes. why don't you stand behind your own words and do what you say and give everyone a break from your incessant moaning and arguing and bickering? an argument needs two people to respond to each other. it's you that starts the arguments by responding to my posts with nonsense and untruths. if you didn't reply, there would be no argument. as i've pointed out before, i just ignore the crap you post and don't respond to it on threads, unless you directly reply to mine, and that avoids arguments

...... and we all appear to agree that theres not as much variety in mainstream and chart material as there was back in 1979, but away from the mainstream chart material modern technology has opened the doors for music fans to access a wider range of music then was available to us in 1979.

Oh, which ones? I guess some might be region blocked.

Out of that block, my favorite band is probably Head Over Heart, which is a local Tucson band, not likely to get airplay anywhere else.

Anyways, that was the generic "music mix" block. (Ran from 1-3pm). After that was drive-time, which was similar (playlist). Then from 6-8 was latin jazz and salsa (playlist). From 8-10 was rancheras and nortenos (playlist). From 10 to midnight was assorted vinyl (playlist). From midnight to now it's all hip-hop. (playlist).

Every night of the week they do a different genre. Today was latin and hip hop, thursday will be punk, friday is all electro, and so on.

It depends on what you're intrested in, though.

The '70s and '80s should be my "era" but I enjoy the likes of Alter Bridge, The Temperance Movement, Blues Pills, Black Stone Cherry, Tool, Within Temptation, Nightwish, Dream Theater, etc, today just as much as I did listening to bands like Genesis, Zeppelin, Floyd, etc, 40 years ago.

None of those are shit. But all of them have been around for many years. Do you know what despite Arcade Fire's last album being patchy yes I do think they are just as good as as the artists you are using in comparison. The same can be said of Vampire Weekend and The National. Also Robert Plant's solo stuff from the last few years beats anything Led Zeppelin did.

Now that's what i call a controversial statement!

Elvis Perkins and Brandi Charli didn't work for me, probably related to locality.

I don't mind the genre shows that much but when I think variety I think the eclectic show.
I quite liked Zane Lowe and John Peel (back in the day) for that. Since Spotify turned up I'm more likely to listen to back catalogues in full (Nirvana and Radiohead the latest). I also listen to music I don't necessarily like to find out what might be good about it (Animal Collective and Adventure the latest). I picked up a few from your list which I will follow up...thanks for that.

nope..
http://everynoise.com/engenremap.html
http://everynoise.com/retromatic.html

Yep and one I stand by.

thats interesting until..

on the second link, the yearly one, it makes no mention of house, trance , jungle, ragga, in the 90's which we know were big. im guessing then that this is an american compilation?

1989 #9 new romantic?.... that movement was long since dead here...

I remember you posting similar links on a variation of this thread some time ago. But as I replied the last time you posted, I don't hear anything groundbreaking and the fact that community radio is the only outlet some of these tracks may get is part of the problem. How can music develop from the underground without the support of people further up the chain?

In a nutshell, no good music is out there it just takes the onus to explore and be not hooked by these mainstream shows, and it has been fun for me, I was stuck on old bowie, bauhaus, rammstein et al. my daughter showed me Black Veil Brides etc. so we have 'swapped' bands etc