I was surfing the net, as I usually do, and decided to see if River Song was to meet the 12th Doctor at some point. I came across this picture:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-6BjPN_ZvVII/Tf...5B3%25255D.png

They are both wearing the same brooch. The stills are from the same series, which begs the question, is Mrs Angelo an elderly Amy, having at some point in the future divorced Rory and married again? Or is she River in another incarnation?

If she is River regenerated again, then the Mrs Angelo thing would be a disguise. Just like Prof.Yana in Utopia. He was really the Master, but in another person's body, with his mind stored in a silver fob watch.

Someone said on combom.co.uk, and I quote:

"I really honestly want to believe the theory that Jeff is the Doctor and River's son and Miss Angelo is Amy. That family tree would actually work since Miss Angelo is Jeff's gran. And maybe River gave the brooch to Amy. That would explain how she has it in the Eleventh Hour"

Interesting. I like the thought of SM thinking that deeply and that far ahead to connect something in that way

However, it could also just be a case of the costume designer, by chance, selecting the same item from the same pool of brooches from the prop stores.

On the other hand, the Doctor's jacket was another case that could just have been a continuity mistake, until it was revealed that it wasn't.

Only Moffat knows whether there's some yet-to-be-revealed, significant meaning in the brooch(es). I suspect it would have been revealed by now, or, it was an intended plot thread that was never followed up.

Why can't she just be a one-off character in a story? Not everything has to be hugely connected surely?

I say things like this and get accused of all sorts. Just let them have their fun. I don't understand spec threads either. Seems like a huge waste of energy.

I would agree with you if it wasn't Moffat. I still remember embarrassing remarks I made on here to the effect that River was surely just River, and it was impossible that she should be Amy and Rory's daughter. So now I say nowt and let it all unfold as it will.

So the costume department reuse old stuff, just like the set designers.

The roundels on the walls of the current console room are bits of new paradigm Daleks, but I don't think the Tardis has been secretly taken over by Davros.

This.

I understood the speculation back in Series 5, when it could've been connected... but we're 5 years and 3/4 series on now, so it's very unlikely they're going to revisit it or anything. It was simply a reused prop. Happens all the time.

Rory's name badge (the controversial wrong date) is another thing traceable to the costume department. They may have simply been careless on that episode.

A great amount of thought went into the War Doctor's costume, though. So they're not always asleep at the switch.

I don't think it's worth looking into. Maybe the costume designers were having money troubles.

Discussion during series 5 was all about this sort of thing. The duck pond, mysterious Leadworth, Rory's badge, Amy's house having doors and stairs leading to nowhere etc. Nothing came of any of it, really...*sigh*

I know it's fun to speculate and all, but I do wonder about the point when its something this old.

I very, very much doubt that in any future episode their going to say 'remember that character that appeared in a minor role in one episode 5 years ago, well guess what we have to tell you about a connection to her, the companion who hasn't been around for a series and a half so we have no real reason to talk about, and river who we also have no reason to talk about in detail, except for perhaps a passing mention.'

This being the case, although everyone is entitled to have their fun and speculate whatever to their hearts content, in this case, it seems a 99.9% likely hood that the issue will never be answered. Basically believe if you want, but it will never be said for real, although the upshot if you want to believe such a thing is that it will never be concretely denied either.

Bit of a shame, really, because (intentional or otherwise), there were lots of tiny things they could've come back to. But then that sums up Moff's era so far for me: lots of breadcrumbs left for us all, but only one or two actually returned to and interesting things left in the past with no expansion.

I remember speculating on this back in 2012. Aside from the brooch, it was also the fact that the woman was named Mrs.Angelo, and Amy herself had been taken by the Angels. It felt like the exact kind of timey-wimey trick Moffat would try to pull, but apparently not.

Well if it had been, it would frighten the bejesus out of the Doctor. He'd start cussing and swearing with his Scottish accent present.

Remember what Malcolm Tucker used to do when he got angry?

I think I remember that, but I wasn't on this forum, I was on a different forum at the time.

A lot of people were suggesting things such as counting down, The Eleventh Hour being "11", apparently there were "10" telephone boxes in The Beast Below, and "9" Daleks in VOTD... that theory got lost quite quickly.

The Duck Pond was just 11 going through a weird phase. A lot of duck ponds don't actually have ducks.

So how do you know it's duck pond, rather than just a pond?

Ducks (as well as other water birds) will often migrate between the same ponds each year, but only be there for a month or two at most. It's a pond used by ducks, therefore a duck pond, but is actually unpopulated for 5/6 of the year

Ah, but there's never any ducks.

It's clearly a conspiracy by Count Scarlioni who is raising funds for the return of Omega by selling the same broch through time and space.

I take it the Paradigm ones won't be seen again, any time soon?

SM said over three years ago that he'd made a mistake introducing the new coloured Daleks, and that they may not be seen again. It wasn't definite then though.

If that's the case, then the RTD era Daleks will be commonplace from now on.

I did read on this forum after Series 5 had finished, that not everyone likes the Paradigm Daleks. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that someone created a thread with a poll in it. That poll was to find out just how many people liked the Paradigm Daleks. The result was that more people prefer the older design.

But isn't it a question of the purpose for which it's intended? A toothbrush that has never brushed any teeth still remains a toothbrush, even if it's been used to clean out the Preparation Room at Tranquil Repose.

The new Paradigm Daleks didn't prove popular for a number of reasons. The episode they featured in was slated as it was for feeling too rushed. Many suggested it should have been a two-parter, but at the same time the show was being criticised for too many prominent Dalek stories.

On top of that their spaceship design was slated for it looking more like the inside of a giant air duct somewhere in Cardiff than an actual spaceship. As well as that the style of paint was criticised, as the Daleks themselves looked cheap and tacky. They also sported a ridiculous humpback which was not present in the very impressive concept design for them.

Since then they've not had an episode to themselves. A damaged one was seen at the end of Series 6, and the red and white NP Daleks were also seen in Asylum of the Daleks. The red and the blue Daleks have both been seen to be sporting a newer, more metallic paint job that makes them look far better. But there's just not been a story for them, or any huge demand to see them again. I still think they could work as a higher ranking group of Daleks - essentially as the Cult of Skaro was. But so far they've not taken that route.

Well, I suppose it depends whether you feel that a duck pond is designed as a habitat for ducks, or is just an ornamental pond that happens to attract ducks. Or whether it's just a metaphor.