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where will O2 get really good 3G from? as three's 3g is abysmal. congested to hell and back.
The uk used to be the lead here but he government here is way to slow to change things |
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o2's 2g bands dont forget that it just not the name there buying its everything inc the 2/3/4g freq bands they could simply turn of o2 2g and transmit 3's 3g
The uk used to be the lead here but he government here is way to slow to change things They won't be able to turn off 2G completely, there are way too many non-phone devices that need it (like M2M units, smart meters and so on) but would be able to rejig spectrum to give the bare minimum to 2G |
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Do we think it will go through then?
If the CMA take it, who knows? They will be advised by Ofcom who will be keen to cover up their cock up at the 4G auction where they effectively handed Three a subsidy at the taxpayers expense by giving them the right to buy 800MHz spectrum at the reserve price and without having to compete. Ofcom did this because they valued Three's disruptive influence in the market which helped keep prices down and so wanted to make sure 4 network operators could compete rather than just 3. Of course this often goes wrong which we are seeing as the company they handed the subsidy to is actually the one taking us from 4 down to 3 players. |
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Imagine Three 3G with the same coverage as O2 2G. Or even, 800MHz Three 4G coverage at the same power as O2 2G and with the same masts used...
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Imagine Three 3G with the same coverage as O2 2G. Or even, 800MHz Three 4G coverage at the same power as O2 2G and with the same masts used...
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If the CMA take it, who knows? They will be advised by Ofcom who will be keen to cover up their cock up at the 4G auction where they effectively handed Three a subsidy at the taxpayers expense by giving them the right to buy 800MHz spectrum at the reserve price and without having to compete. Ofcom did this because they valued Three's disruptive influence in the market which helped keep prices down and so wanted to make sure 4 network operators could compete rather than just 3. Of course this often goes wrong which we are seeing as the company they handed the subsidy to is actually the one taking us from 4 down to 3 players.
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This will be interesting to watch, as the market couldn't necessarily sustain 4 operators all with sufficient investment. Hasn't Germany also hit the same problem? How many EU countries have 4 operators? The USA Is much larger and has about 10 operators with 4 big ones, and even then two are so much larger than the other two.
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Yes I think looking at the US has changed the EC's viewpoint over the years as they've seen a big relative power shift from Europe to the US. Similar size market overall but the EU shares it amongst hundreds of operators and they are crying enough.
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Imagine Three 3G with the same coverage as O2 2G. Or even, 800MHz Three 4G coverage at the same power as O2 2G and with the same masts used...
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Have to say I am not very excited about this. Don't get me wrong O2's 2G network is fantastic with coverage virtually everywhere. Their 3G network however is dire, now in saying that they seem to have excellent 3G coverage, my phone nearly always says HSPA however your lucky if you get 2mb, its usually nearer 1mb, now throw 3 into the mix, certainly around here their coverage is OK at best, no where near O2's, you'll then have 3 customers stuck on O2's already slow as $hit 3G network. 3G technology running at EDGE speeds will be the next thing.
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EE would still have better 3G coverage.. If you made every O2 2G mast a Three 3G mast that is. EE 3G would still have better coverage in a year or twos time.
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Three 3G surpasses O2 3G quite considerably in the number of places covered; however, the signal on O2 3G is normally better than Three when both have it, in my experience. Saying that O2 3G speeds are crap whereas Three is usually 4Mbps +.
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No thanks, the O2 2G half rate codec for voice calls would drive me mad. VoLTE would be essential!
Whether this is down to the phone or the network I dont know tho. |
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o2's 2g bands dont forget that it just not the name there buying its everything inc the 2/3/4g freq bands they could simply turn of o2 2g and transmit 3's 3g
The uk used to be the lead here but he government here is way to slow to change things 2g is king for voice. |
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that would be baaaad.
2g is king for voice. |
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That would require most of O2's customers to actually get 3G devices though.
They won't be able to turn off 2G completely, there are way too many non-phone devices that need it (like M2M units, smart meters and so on) but would be able to rejig spectrum to give the bare minimum to 2G |
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funny enough calls for me were way clearer on O2 using my S3 than they are on EE using my S5. Whether this is down to the phone or the network I dont know tho.
More recently (end of last year I think) we saw a report from one of the new network testing companies that said O2 was good at having coverage in a lot of areas, but they gave them a black mark because they were using the Half Rate codec, which made calls unintelligible when there was background noise. They were resoundly criticised for having a lot of calls complete on 2G on half rate when inside the M25 when the other networks managed 3G calls, which is already better voice quality and then HD voice is available for those calls to same network. |
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That would require most of O2's customers to actually get 3G devices though.
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that would be baaaad.
2g is king for voice. Dont say oh but why should I as thats not valid when things get to there end of life just like 2g has you simply buy a new one Price is not valid either people would rather feed there habit instead of buying a new phone A 10 carton pack of cigs is more expensive than a cheap 3G smartphone |
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Do we think it will go through then?
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that would be baaaad. 2g is king for voice.
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I don't make calls very often on O2 (thankfully) but when I do, I always regret it because the sound quality is so dire.
O2 also still doesn't support SMS delivery receipts! WHY!!!! |
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I don't make calls very often on O2 (thankfully) but when I do, I always regret it because the sound quality is so dire.
O2 also still doesn't support SMS delivery receipts! WHY!!!! The influence of their former owner BT is still evident even today which doesn't bode well for EE. I can only hope that Hutchinson will change the "cant be bothered, it costs money" culture at O2. |
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3 aren't much better on delivery reports though. Didn't they introduce a 1p charge for each report a while ago?
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O2 also still doesn't support SMS delivery receipts! WHY!!!!
Yet more reasons for people using WhatsApp and similar. The networks want to fight back with this RCS - Rich Communications thing, but I doubt that will take off now. WhatsApp / Facebook messenger and the others are too big. |
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3 aren't much better on delivery reports though. Didn't they introduce a 1p charge for each report a while ago?
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