Firstly when i moved from dial up to normal broadband i moved my master socket from downstairs lobby to upstairs bedroom through 2 walls and across loft space
but it was with cheap wire from argos with 3 joins

yes i know you are not supposed to move master socket but it was a must and i know its a so called heath robison affair

anyway i am now getting fibre broadband and to cut a long story short was going to replace at the first join the cheap cable with cw1308 bt spec cable up to the master socket

but having looked at the cable before the lego block i put in which was originally in the master socket it looks like it is normal electral wire green/brown/blue see pic

cant follow it back as it goes into a wall what are my best options without putting the master socket back and anyway even if i put it back it looks like someone had the wrong wire in originally
http://s7.postimg.org/l9sp7rfa3/IMG_0673.jpg

As there is no way Openreach would have done that I think your best bet is to put it back to how it was before you touched it as best you can.

I don't think it's electrical wiring, it's just an older style of BT wiring.

Pair 1 should be orange/blue
Pair 2 (likely unused) should be green/brown

I need it from where it is now because of a number of things explained in my first post but my main worry is the wire on the right side of the picture some say its not bt wire while others say its the older style bt wiring(i never touched this only took it out the original master socket which if wrong was there before i moved in )

look at the image in this other post i found on search and the wiring looks much the same as mine
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1597904
also i should note that i cant find the junction box before the master socket as it goes into a wall and i have also laid wooden floors (glue not click) over ther hatch in the lobby where i presume this juntion box to be

What type of wire is it? If it is a single solid core less than 1mm in diameter then it is unlikely to be mains cable. Also if there is a fourth core in there that may be has been cut off and the end hidden in the outer insulation then it is even less likely to be mains cable.

Also if it was mains cable with blue and brown the green should have a yellow stripe not be solid green.

thanks mate with your post i have established its phone wire and it has 4 core i missed the last wire as it was hid behind the green
wires are blue, green, brown and light brown which could have been orange but looks more light brown to me
wire size including sheeth is 1.25mm or 0.0492 imperial using mic (please note in order not to knock anything off this size is over the sheeth and not the bare wire but as it has 4 wires i am now sure its phone wire

The light brown probably started off as Orange god knows how many years ago when that type of cable was current

If you want to make it look a bit tidier then you could use a proper IDC terminal block like this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminal-Inl...dp/B00CMC0MNE/

and a punch down tool to terminate the wires

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DIGIFLEX-Kro...dp/B002N63060/

Might be better than the current lash up and less likely to stir the interest of an Openreach bod should one ever have to inspect your line.

http://s4.postimg.org/r6opf1x0t/IMG_0680.jpg

ok so i now have the phone wire to the right in the pic below and have cw1308 cable that has 4 wires to join to this and then the master socket do i just use two of them or do i make them into two pairs and join them to the blue and brown on the other side and if so which colour goes where and after that what colours go where in the master socket

The convention is that the blue pair in CW1308 cable are the line pair. So those are the two to use and ignore the orange pair.

Now we have to make some assumptions about how the incoming cable is wired but assuming that the Blue is the A wire and Orange the B wire.

If you are extending the cable.

Connect the White with Blue rings/stripe of the CW1308 cable to the Blue of the incoming and the Blue with White rings/stripe to the Orange.

If you completely disassemble the master socket you should see two screw terminals on the back of the bit that normally remains fixed to the wall (assuming an NTE 5 socket). Connect the White with Blue rings/stripe to terminal A and Blue with White rings/stripe to terminal B. If they are not labelled then it likely doesn't matter too much which way round they go.

If you are putting an NTE 5 master where your choc block joint is.

Connect the Blue wire of the incoming line to terminal A on the back of the socket and the Orange to terminal B

On the back of the removable faceplate of the NTE 5 is a set of Insulation Displacement Connection terminals. Connect the White with Blue rings/stripe to terminal 5 and Blue with White rings/stripe to terminal 2. Then use the same connections at all the extension sockets.

NB don't poke wires into IDC blocks with a screwdriver as that will damage the contacts and make for unreliable connections. Use the correct punch down tool such as the one I linked to in a previous post.

On this photo
http://s7.postimg.org/4o102i0fv/IMG_0680.jpg
and using this block where do i connect the wires in the block
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2613767120...448&rmvSB=true

or this one which ever is best
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminal-Inl...dp/B00CMC0MNE/

Connect the Blue wire of the incoming line to screw terminal A (which appears to be unmarked)and the Orange to screw terminal B

Connect the White with Blue rings/stripe to terminal A of the Insulation Displacement Connection terminals (bottom left corner of the box) and Blue with White rings/stripe to terminal B. These are the outer two of the three. Don't connect anything to the Earth terminals.


Connect the Blue wire of the incoming line to screw terminal 1and the Orange to screw terminal 2 of the right hand set of terminals

Connect the White with Blue rings/stripe to terminal 1 and Blue with White rings/stripe to terminal 2 of the left hand set of terminals.

Whichever you get (either will do the job) make sure you also get the proper tool to terminate the IDC terminals.

thanks been posting this on another forum as well so have just bought the one stated above and the jelly crimps posted on the other site
thanks for all your help

Does it matter if i put it in the same trunking inside a cupboard as electril cable

anyone

I'd try and keep it away from mains wiring if possible, there are recomendations (can't find them right now) for running data and mains and they should not be close together. If you've got no choice then that's what you'll have to do but if you can run them apart from eachother then do so.

managed to get them an inch apart as i managed to squeeze in other trunking so they are in seperate trunking an inch apart

only time they go over the electric wires is under the floor they go front to back and one wire goes left to right ie like a cross over idea

is there somethoing i could place between them ie a bit of small plywood or whats best

this must be stupid question week but is it ok to run it under loft instalition or over the top