I think it means music by artists or bands who write the whole song rather than just the lyrics and play loads of instruments and who sing live at their concerts rather than lip-synching and who don't do videos where they jiggle about in as little as possible or swear or have bitch in the title of their songs.
Intelligent music
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Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“It's quite simple really. Most music appeals to the senses and to the emotions.”
“It's quite simple really. Most music appeals to the senses and to the emotions.”
Agree with that.
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“Intelligent music also appeals to the intellect and to the mind.”
“Intelligent music also appeals to the intellect and to the mind.”
Sounds good but I still don't know what constitutes 'intelligent music', can you give me any examples?
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“The best music appeals to the soul.”
“The best music appeals to the soul.”
Don't believe in the soul, so will have to disagree with that.
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“I think it means music by artists or bands who write the whole song rather than just the lyrics and play loads of instruments and who sing live at their concerts rather than lip-synching and who don't do videos where they jiggle about in as little as possible or swear or have bitch in the title of their songs.”
“I think it means music by artists or bands who write the whole song rather than just the lyrics and play loads of instruments and who sing live at their concerts rather than lip-synching and who don't do videos where they jiggle about in as little as possible or swear or have bitch in the title of their songs.”
What you seem to be describing there is artists or bands who have more musical ability or talent, nothing to do with intelligence. Don't know what jiggling about, swearing and having 'bitch' in the title of their songs has got to do with anything.
Originally Posted by JurassicMark:
“What you seem to be describing there is artists or bands who have more musical ability or talent, nothing to do with intelligence. Don't know what jiggling about, swearing and having 'bitch' in the title of their songs has got to do with anything.”
“What you seem to be describing there is artists or bands who have more musical ability or talent, nothing to do with intelligence. Don't know what jiggling about, swearing and having 'bitch' in the title of their songs has got to do with anything.”
What I mean is that music by people with more musical talent may be considered 'intelligent' but people who don't and jiggle about in their underwear, swear and have the word bitch in their song titles may not be considered intelligent.
I mean, I have probably come across wrong, I personally aren't fussed whether the music I isten to is considered intelligent or 'proper' or not, if I like it I listen to it.
I'm just drawing from experience as a fan of Madonna, I have been told many times by people that M is not 'proper' music because she doesn't write the whole song and doesn't play any musical instruments or sing live and they have dismissed her as a talentless whore who dances around in her underwear to cover up for her lack of vocal skills but someone such as Kate Bush is a proper artist who does intelligent music because she sings live and plays piano, never jiggles about in her undies and doesn't swear on stage or put obscenities in her Self-penned songs.
Sorry, i'm rambling now, I don't personally know what intelligent or proper music exactly is i'm just going by what i've been told but i'd say these are just opinions.
Originally Posted by JurassicMark:
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Sounds good but I still don't know what constitutes 'intelligent music', can you give me any examples?
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Sounds good but I still don't know what constitutes 'intelligent music', can you give me any examples?
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A few examples....
Roxy Music - 'Mother of Pearl'
Great musicianship, lyricism, unconventional musical form ( diptych, from the visual arts) which musically describes a party and then spins off into personal reflection with wonderful flowing lyrics (e.g. 'If you're looking for love in a looking glass world.....) which hint at stream of consciousness and are all linked to the idea of mother of pearl suggesting superficial beauty and much more.
Bruce Springsteen - 'Brilliant Disguise'
Quite conventional form, but dramatic, simple music for a song that tells the story of a man who doubts his relationship which is straightforward enough until the last couplet ('...God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of') and then you realise it's a crisis of faith/believe....big issues...sheer genius.
Van Morrison - 'Summertime in England' probably beyond description but mainly inspired by Joyce's stream of consciousness.....
Generally classical music provides the best examples, mainly symphonies like Beethoven's 9th or Mahler's 9th or Steve Reich's 'Music for 18 Musicians'.
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“What I mean is that music by people with more musical talent may be considered 'intelligent' but people who don't and jiggle about in their underwear, swear and have the word bitch in their song titles may not be considered intelligent.
I mean, I have probably come across wrong, I personally aren't fussed whether the music I isten to is considered intelligent or 'proper' or not, if I like it I listen to it.
I'm just drawing from experience as a fan of Madonna, I have been told many times by people that M is not 'proper' music because she doesn't write the whole song and doesn't play any musical instruments or sing live and they have dismissed her as a talentless whore who dances around in her underwear to cover up for her lack of vocal skills but someone such as Kate Bush is a proper artist who does intelligent music because she sings live and plays piano, never jiggles about in her undies and doesn't swear on stage or put obscenities in her Self-penned songs.
Sorry, i'm rambling now, I don't personally know what intelligent or proper music exactly is i'm just going by what i've been told but i'd say these are just opinions.”
“What I mean is that music by people with more musical talent may be considered 'intelligent' but people who don't and jiggle about in their underwear, swear and have the word bitch in their song titles may not be considered intelligent.
I mean, I have probably come across wrong, I personally aren't fussed whether the music I isten to is considered intelligent or 'proper' or not, if I like it I listen to it.
I'm just drawing from experience as a fan of Madonna, I have been told many times by people that M is not 'proper' music because she doesn't write the whole song and doesn't play any musical instruments or sing live and they have dismissed her as a talentless whore who dances around in her underwear to cover up for her lack of vocal skills but someone such as Kate Bush is a proper artist who does intelligent music because she sings live and plays piano, never jiggles about in her undies and doesn't swear on stage or put obscenities in her Self-penned songs.
Sorry, i'm rambling now, I don't personally know what intelligent or proper music exactly is i'm just going by what i've been told but i'd say these are just opinions.”
If Madonna is a 'talentless whore' then give me more talentless whores.
I've never heard that term before. To me Intelligent music would be defined as a song which is clever, that makes you think. Or has a twist or carefully woven story behind it. I'd also include songs that reference classical literature and historic events.
A good example is the song Killing an Arab by The Cure. It's based on the book The Stranger by Albert Camus and the song is written from the point of view of the main character. He is in a crisis over whether to kill the man in front of him or to leave it, the story is more complex than that but Smith decided to focus on the scene which is most crucial to the book.
A good example is the song Killing an Arab by The Cure. It's based on the book The Stranger by Albert Camus and the song is written from the point of view of the main character. He is in a crisis over whether to kill the man in front of him or to leave it, the story is more complex than that but Smith decided to focus on the scene which is most crucial to the book.
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“If Madonna is a 'talentless whore' then give me more talentless whores.”
“If Madonna is a 'talentless whore' then give me more talentless whores.”
I personally wouldn't describe Madonna as talentless, she has a very good singing voice and dances well and has recorded some really decent and catchy pop songs and she is quite an intelligent person as well.
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“I personally wouldn't describe Madonna as talentless, she has a very good singing voice and dances well and has recorded some really decent and catchy pop songs and she is quite an intelligent person as well.”
“I personally wouldn't describe Madonna as talentless, she has a very good singing voice and dances well and has recorded some really decent and catchy pop songs and she is quite an intelligent person as well.”
You are the one who said it first......
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“You are the one who said it first......”
“You are the one who said it first......”
I didn't at all!
That's not fair!
I said 'some people' might consider Madonna to be a talentless whore, NOT ME personally, 'other' people!
If you re read my post you will see that it says
'they have dismissed her as a talentless whore'
I personally have NOT!
I think she's a good singer and performer and is actually talented and the controversial stuff is just part of who she is, she just likes to shock.
Originally Posted by JurassicMark:
“I agree with the BIB, just don't see the word 'intelligent' as being an appropriate term to describe music.”
“I agree with the BIB, just don't see the word 'intelligent' as being an appropriate term to describe music.”
I would say music with a more complex structure would be considered "intelligent". As opposed to simple AABA (verse-verse-chorus-verse).
Especially since I would say some of the newer music which is basically just "CBBB" (a bridge followed by nothing but repeating chorus) could be described as "idiotic music". (I'm thinking of stuff like Turn Down for What.. which is totally CBBB).
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“I would like to hear what dumb music sounds like.”
“I would like to hear what dumb music sounds like.”
You probably wouldn't but there's a few Christmas songs (Slade, Wings, Mr Blobby) which are definitely dumb....De Da Da Da.....
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“I would like to hear what dumb music sounds like.”
“I would like to hear what dumb music sounds like.”
I've never heard that term before, but my guess would be novelty songs and songs with absolutely dreadful lyrics and tune. Cher Lloyd's Swagger Jagger would probably be a good example
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“I'm just drawing from experience as a fan of Madonna, I have been told many times by people that M is not 'proper' music because she doesn't write the whole song and doesn't play any musical instruments or sing live and they have dismissed her as a talentless whore who dances around in her underwear to cover up for her lack of vocal skills but someone such as Kate Bush is a proper artist who does intelligent music because she sings live and plays piano, never jiggles about in her undies and doesn't swear on stage or put obscenities in her Self-penned songs.”
“I'm just drawing from experience as a fan of Madonna, I have been told many times by people that M is not 'proper' music because she doesn't write the whole song and doesn't play any musical instruments or sing live and they have dismissed her as a talentless whore who dances around in her underwear to cover up for her lack of vocal skills but someone such as Kate Bush is a proper artist who does intelligent music because she sings live and plays piano, never jiggles about in her undies and doesn't swear on stage or put obscenities in her Self-penned songs.”
Isn't that just music snobbery? A lot of those people probably just don't like pop music in general and they probably like whiny boys with guitars bands and think they're superior. I've come across those kinds of people before and they really get my goat. I don't give a monkeys if they think Britney or Katy Perry or Madonna or whatever isn't "real" music, it's the sort of music I enjoy and nobody's gonna change that. Argh!
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“I've never heard that term before, but my guess would be novelty songs and songs with absolutely dreadful lyrics and tune. Cher Lloyd's Swagger Jagger would probably be a good example
Isn't that just music snobbery? A lot of those people probably just don't like pop music in general and they probably like whiny boys with guitars bands and think they're superior. I've come across those kinds of people before and they really get my goat. I don't give a monkeys if they think Britney or Katy Perry or Madonna or whatever isn't "real" music, it's the sort of music I enjoy and nobody's gonna change that. Argh!”
“I've never heard that term before, but my guess would be novelty songs and songs with absolutely dreadful lyrics and tune. Cher Lloyd's Swagger Jagger would probably be a good example
Isn't that just music snobbery? A lot of those people probably just don't like pop music in general and they probably like whiny boys with guitars bands and think they're superior. I've come across those kinds of people before and they really get my goat. I don't give a monkeys if they think Britney or Katy Perry or Madonna or whatever isn't "real" music, it's the sort of music I enjoy and nobody's gonna change that. Argh!
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Yes, it does smack of music snobbery and I did say that but I was told there's no such thing!
I suppose intelligent music is much like intelligent cinema or intelligent television. All these things do exist, it's just up to the individual consumer whether or it suits their tastes.
Not all intelligent music will necessarily be good, just as not all not-so-intelligent music will be bad. Using the words intelligent and dumb are probably the wrong to use anyway, maybe artistic and entertainment are better instead? They're what I use anyway.
I personally enjoy music which is both arty AND entertaining at the same time. 
Not all intelligent music will necessarily be good, just as not all not-so-intelligent music will be bad. Using the words intelligent and dumb are probably the wrong to use anyway, maybe artistic and entertainment are better instead? They're what I use anyway.
I personally enjoy music which is both arty AND entertaining at the same time.
Originally Posted by RetroMusicFan:
“Yes, it does smack of music snobbery and I did say that but I was told there's no such thing!”
“Yes, it does smack of music snobbery and I did say that but I was told there's no such thing!”
There is such a thing as music snobbery (and lack of knowledge) and I've had it a few times! One example is when I was telling some of my friends about a band I like who aren't in the mainstream (you can't buy their CDs in the shops, only direct from their website or digital download). One girl thought they weren't famous because they're rubbish and I got really mad. They're not mainstream because they don't want to be. Not all artists are in music for the money. Some do it because they enjoy it.
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“There is such a thing as music snobbery (and lack of knowledge) and I've had it a few times! One example is when I was telling some of my friends about a band I like who aren't in the mainstream (you can't buy their CDs in the shops, only direct from their website or digital download). One girl thought they weren't famous because they're rubbish and I got really mad. They're not mainstream because they don't want to be. Not all artists are in music for the money. Some do it because they enjoy it.”
“There is such a thing as music snobbery (and lack of knowledge) and I've had it a few times! One example is when I was telling some of my friends about a band I like who aren't in the mainstream (you can't buy their CDs in the shops, only direct from their website or digital download). One girl thought they weren't famous because they're rubbish and I got really mad. They're not mainstream because they don't want to be. Not all artists are in music for the money. Some do it because they enjoy it.”
Here-here!
There's NOWT WRONG with musical snobbery. Do I wanna talk music with a Scooter fan? Do I fcuk!
My fav band growing up was Siouxsie & The Banshees - whom were once referred to as "The most elitist band in the world" & they bloody well were! They could afford to be during their 'Imperial phase' (1980-1982).
There are gr8 pop bands/artists out there with IDEAS: Joni MitchellRoxy/Bowie/Yellow Magic Orchestra/Japan/Pet Shop Boys/Kate Bush/Roisin Murphy/Marc Almond/Goldfrapp/Blondie/Scott Walker/Bjork/ Nick Cave/Lindstrom...
The riches out there is vast, and not confined to the US or UK, try some Continental European - don't confine yourselves to the english language!
EXPLORE!
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