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The Ratings Thread (Part 64)
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cindy_watts
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Baffled that you could think one is doing that much better than the other when they are both guilty of underperforming. Care to explain ?”

Thank you at last someone knows. Both corrie and eastenders did poor yesterday. That a very poor ratings for eastenders but that very poor for corrie considering it used to get 8-9 million before.
grahamzxy
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Randomguy83:
“These all seem relatively consistent from a month ago to me except the shares are about 3% lower. I suspect snooker combined with football led to more people watching tv in prime time last night.”

Don't bring rational thoughts and reasoning to this thread

Around 23m people were watching tv when EE was on last night.
burbe
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by PEARLY331:
“Coronation Street was over 700k ahead of EastEnders last night.”

How can you go from excellent to disgraceful through just 700k? Both were poor.
mediarat
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“At last something mainstream on C5, could do a million viewers easily - the BBC One show at 00.00 onward rates well enough. C5 ought be less reliant on NCIS repeats.
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well considering itv struggled with premier league highlights in the evening i can't see the championship doing much better, not in such a competitive slot. though it will be a good audience in terms of bring males into the channel and if the coverage is good then it may pick up those who don't have access to sky etc.
Dancc
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by mediarat:
“well considering itv struggled with premier league highlights in the evening i can't see the championship doing much better, not in such a competitive slot. though it will be a good audience in terms of bring males into the channel and if the coverage is good then it may pick up those who don't have access to sky etc.”

How can you compare the two ?

The rights to the Premiership highlights are way more expensive. And with that comes the need for a lot more viewers.
cylon6
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by mediarat:
“well considering itv struggled with premier league highlights in the evening i can't see the championship doing much better, not in such a competitive slot. though it will be a good audience in terms of bring males into the channel and if the coverage is good then it may pick up those who don't have access to sky etc.”

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“How can you compare the two ?

The rights to the Premiership highlights are way more expensive. And with that comes the need for a lot more viewers.”

ITV showed highlights at 7pm. Channel 5 have highlights at 9pm ratings expectations are different. They must do better than at midnight on BBC1. It could work for Channel 5 and it'll definitely be a male demo magnet for ad rates.

Channel 5 have more to gain than to lose with this deal in my opinion.
Dancc
05-05-2015
Here's one that to now has gone under the radar. The series premiere of Australian period drama Anzac Girls scored 509,000 (2.6%) for More4 on Friday. It was the 4th most watched multichannel programme of the day.

Full top 10 for Friday:

Code:
1 ITV3  08:00 PM Midsomer Murders 686,000 3.5% 
2 E4    07:00 PM Hollyoaks        653,000 3.9% 
3 ITV2  09:00 PM Bourne Ultimatum 639,000 3.7% 
4 More4 09:00 PM Anzac Girls      509,000 2.6% 
5 E4    06:30 PM Big Bang Theory  508,000 3.3% 
6 ITV3  07:00 PM Murder She Wrote 449,000 2.6% 
7 BBC3  10:00 PM Russell Howard   440,000 2.6% 
8 ITV3  10:00 PM Law and Order UK 437,000 2.8% 
9 BBC3  11:25 PM Family Guy       429,000 5.0% 
10 ITV3 05:55 PM Heartbeat        425,000 2.9%
Source: www.itvmedia.co.uk
West End Boy
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Coronation Street can still get close to 7m even when according to many fans and critics it's not very good. EastEnders should be at that level.”

It is rare that CS and EE are level (although the gap is smaller.) It is usually CS in the top spot, EE 2nd closely followed by ED in 3rd. This is ususally the case whether the quality is good or bad. CS have a default audience. Re CS there is not denying it is not at its best, but it is improving. EE in terms of quality is in a good place, although some of DTC's decisions are cause for concern. Perhaps the Bank Holiday had something to do with the low shares and viewing figures? Also the soaps do not have the pulling power they once had, but of course these are the over night figures and only half the story Rory.
Dan R
05-05-2015
BGT Episode 3 Ranks
1. Series 3 (2009) - 13.21m
2. Series 9 (2015) - 11.86m
3. Series 4 (2010) - 11.84m
4. Series 6 (2012) and Series 8 (2014) - 11.33m
5. Series 7 (2013) - 11.08m
6. Series 5 (2011) - 10.7m
7. Series 2 (2008) - 9,86m
8. Series 1 (2007) - 7.28m
Steve Williams
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Elsewhere, BBC Three's showing of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull roped in 918k (4.2%) from 8.05pm.”

If you were to add together all the people who have watched this and the other Indy films, they must be the most watched things ever on television. Never mind losing Family Guy, it'll be a grim day for the Beeb when they lose the rights to these.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“ITV showed highlights at 7pm. Channel 5 have highlights at 9pm ratings expectations are different. They must do better than at midnight on BBC1. It could work for Channel 5 and it'll definitely be a male demo magnet for ad rates.

Channel 5 have more to gain than to lose with this deal in my opinion.”

It'll be of value to C5 in terms of attracting a male audience and getting them back into football, and it's probably not costing them very much at all, but I still wonder if they actually will do better than at midnight on BBC1. They get just under a million there and I can't imagine them doing massively more at 9pm on C5. I would argue that if they were on at 9pm on BBC2 and C4 too, it's a very competitive slot.

What the Football League gain from a better slot they lose out from it not having the promotion on Match of the Day and the goals on Football Focus and Final Score, which is a better way to attract casual fans than it is just to put them in primetime. Nobody's going to decide to watch them just because they're there if they don't watch football on a regular basis. I know this argument sounds like everyone should be grateful to be on the BBC even if they only offer 50p for the rights, and the Champions League certainly hasn't ever needed to be on the BBC to be successful, but the Football League is by its very nature often more valuable as a supporting feature.
Score
05-05-2015
Applause Store have the dates up for the BGT live shows. The dates are Monday 25th-Friday 29th and Sunday 31st May.

Bizarrely there is no show down for Saturday 30th. Seems very strange for them to not have a Saturday show. I assume that the semi finals will be Monday-Friday with the final on Sunday, which is odd as what will they air on the Saturday?

Furthermore, the Monday-Friday shows have a doors open time of 6.45pm (so probably the usual 7.30 start time) but on the Sunday doors open at 5.30pm, so the show could be starting very early (6.30pm possibly) which seems a huge waste.
Salv*
05-05-2015
So BB news has been coming in. It starts next Tues. Around 2m as always for the launch as its always around 1m lower than CBB.
Dan R
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Score:
“Applause Store have the dates up for the BGT live shows. The dates are Monday 25th-Friday 29th and Sunday 31st May.

Bizarrely there is no show down for Saturday 30th. Seems very strange for them to not have a Saturday show. I assume that the semi finals will be Monday-Friday with the final on Sunday, which is odd as what will they air on the Saturday?

Furthermore, the Monday-Friday shows have a doors open time of 6.45pm (so probably the usual 7.30 start time) but on the Sunday doors open at 5.30pm, so the show could be starting very early (6.30pm possibly) which seems a huge waste.”

The final on a Sunday? That seems bizarre, why would they do that? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Dan R
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Score:
“Applause Store have the dates up for the BGT live shows. The dates are Monday 25th-Friday 29th and Sunday 31st May.

Bizarrely there is no show down for Saturday 30th. Seems very strange for them to not have a Saturday show. I assume that the semi finals will be Monday-Friday with the final on Sunday, which is odd as what will they air on the Saturday?

Furthermore, the Monday-Friday shows have a doors open time of 6.45pm (so probably the usual 7.30 start time) but on the Sunday doors open at 5.30pm, so the show could be starting very early (6.30pm possibly) which seems a huge waste.”

Unless they're doing it differently and having 6 semis but I highly doubt that.

And to be fair, episodes in 2013 and 2012 consistently started between 6 and 7, maybe even earlier on one or two occasions. But 8pm is better IMO.
Score
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Unless they're doing it differently and having 6 semis but I highly doubt that.

And to be fair, episodes in 2013 and 2012 consistently started between 6 and 7, maybe even earlier on one or two occasions. But 8pm is better IMO.”

It never started before 7pm in either of those years. Lots of 7pm starts but never earlier. The final started at 6.45pm in both 2008 and 2009 but that's going back quite a way now.

Applause Store has now updated though and the Sunday show now has a doors open time of 6.45pm like the weeknight shows. So maybe it'll be the usual 7.30-10pm but on the Sunday?

Seems odd for them to not do a Saturday show though. It'll mean they'll have a gap in the schedule on the Saturday but will have to bump Home Fires on the Sunday. Bizarre. Does this also mean that Home Fires will have to take a 2 week break? If the football is an 8pm kickoff the following week then it will do, which is such a shoddy way to treat a promising new drama.
cylon6
05-05-2015
Christopher Eccleston's Safe House tops Monday with 4.2m on ITV

Christopher Eccleston's Safe House topped the ratings outside of soaps on Bank Holiday Monday (May 4), according to overnight figures.

The penultimate episode of the four-part drama brought in 4.18m (16.7%) at 9pm on ITV (198k/1.1% on +1). Earlier, Wild Ireland interested 2.68m (11.5%) at 8pm (147k/0.6%).

BBC Two's World Championship Snooker coverage entertained 3.31m (16.0%) between 7pm and 11pm.

On BBC One, a repeat of Wallace and Gromit: The Wrong Trousers transfixed 2.35m (10.9%) at 7.30pm, while VE Day: Remembering Victory was watched by 2.82m (11.9%) at 8.30pm.

Channel 4's Food Unwrapped averaged 1.24m (5.3%) at 8pm (118k/0.5%), while Stranger on the Bridge was seen by 1.43m (6.1%) at 9pm (219k/1.3%).

On Channel 5, Police Interceptors thrilled 778k (3.3%) at 8pm (47k/0.2%), before Gotham rose to 945k (4.0%) at 9pm (68k/0.4%), and Person of Interest gathered 599k (3.4%) at 10pm (69k/0.8%).

Game of Thrones brought in 1.0m (4.3%) for Sky Atlantic at 9pm, while E4's Made in Chelsea rose to 465k (2.0%) in the same timeslot.
Fudd
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Score:
“It never started before 7pm in either of those years. Lots of 7pm starts but never earlier. The final started at 6.45pm in both 2008 and 2009 but that's going back quite a way now.

Applause Store has now updated though and the Sunday show now has a doors open time of 6.45pm like the weeknight shows. So maybe it'll be the usual 7.30-10pm but on the Sunday?

Seems odd for them to not do a Saturday show though. It'll mean they'll have a gap in the schedule on the Saturday but will have to bump Home Fires on the Sunday. Bizarre. Does this also mean that Home Fires will have to take a 2 week break? If the football is an 8pm kickoff the following week then it will do, which is such a shoddy way to treat a promising new drama.”

Regarding the football, it's a 1pm kick off. The BBC have the wrong kick off time (or had, I haven't checked today).
http://www.fai.ie/ireland/match/19/2015/999938501

So ITV won't have to budge Home Fires for that.

A Sunday final makes more sense in the great scheme of things; it gives the Friday qualifiers a day's break to prepare plus there should be a bigger audience available than on a Saturday night. I wonder if ITV will kick off their Summer schedule then, having promoted in during Britain's Got Talent through the week? If I remember previous posts it's likely to be something like 6.15 Catchphrase; 7.00 Celebrity Chase; 8.00 The Cube?
stv viewer
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Score:
“It never started before 7pm in either of those years. Lots of 7pm starts but never earlier. The final started at 6.45pm in both 2008 and 2009 but that's going back quite a way now.

Applause Store has now updated though and the Sunday show now has a doors open time of 6.45pm like the weeknight shows. So maybe it'll be the usual 7.30-10pm but on the Sunday?

Seems odd for them to not do a Saturday show though. It'll mean they'll have a gap in the schedule on the Saturday but will have to bump Home Fires on the Sunday. Bizarre. Does this also mean that Home Fires will have to take a 2 week break? If the football is an 8pm kickoff the following week then it will do, which is such a shoddy way to treat a promising new drama.”

Football is a 1pm kick off
Score
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“Football is a 1pm kick off”

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Regarding the football, it's a 1pm kick off. The BBC have the wrong kick off time (or had, I haven't checked today).
http://www.fai.ie/ireland/match/19/2015/999938501

So ITV won't have to budge Home Fires for that.

A Sunday final makes more sense in the great scheme of things; it gives the Friday qualifiers a day's break to prepare plus there should be a bigger audience available than on a Saturday night. I wonder if ITV will kick off their Summer schedule then, having promoted in during Britain's Got Talent through the week? If I remember previous posts it's likely to be something like 6.15 Catchphrase; 7.00 Celebrity Chase; 8.00 The Cube?”

Thanks guys.

I can see the logic behind a Sunday final and it'll be better for the acts, but I'm surprised ITV are doing it as it means bumping Home Fires. Skipping one week isn't so bad but it still isn't great for a new drama.

They won't kick off their Summer schedule that night as the following week is the FA Cup Final so they'd have to bump it all. It is the Ninja Warrior UK Final that night. With it being the FA Cup Final they might be reluctant to have Ninja Warrior at 7pm so they might have that at 8pm, with maybe a movie on before. Could be good if Ninja has an extended finale, so it would still feel like they had an event on that night. I'm still surprised that there won't be a BGT on the Saturday though and that they are willing to bump Home Fires.

Not sure what exactly the Summer Saturday schedule will be. They've not filmed any more Celeb Chase episodes yet but they might do soon. The Cube is ready to go and I reckon that'll get Saturdays at 8pm. Catchphrase is on but I think that might get Sundays once Celeb Squares is done. I think they might put series 2 of Keep it in The Family on Saturdays at 7pm but ITV Media has it down for Q3 so it'll probably be in July and August. They are also apparently airing the premiere of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in June at some point, so that'll probably be on a Saturday (the 13th?).
hyperstarsponge
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Here's one that to now has gone under the radar. The series premiere of Australian period drama Anzac Girls scored 509,000 (2.6%) for More4 on Friday. It was the 4th most watched multichannel programme of the day.

Full top 10 for Friday:

Code:
1 ITV3  08:00 PM Midsomer Murders 686,000 3.5% 
2 E4    07:00 PM Hollyoaks        653,000 3.9% 
3 ITV2  09:00 PM Bourne Ultimatum 639,000 3.7% 
4 More4 09:00 PM Anzac Girls      509,000 2.6% 
5 E4    06:30 PM Big Bang Theory  508,000 3.3% 
6 ITV3  07:00 PM Murder She Wrote 449,000 2.6% 
7 BBC3  10:00 PM Russell Howard   440,000 2.6% 
8 ITV3  10:00 PM Law and Order UK 437,000 2.8% 
9 BBC3  11:25 PM Family Guy       429,000 5.0% 
10 ITV3 05:55 PM Heartbeat        425,000 2.9%
Source: www.itvmedia.co.uk”

May have to check Anzac Girls out on All4 as I didn't know it was on.
Andy23
05-05-2015
Looks like the 3m watching the Snooker is the reason for the low soap shares, extra people watching TV who wouldn't usually be.

The actual ratings are not much different to what we've seen recently, but the shares were much lower.
cylon6
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Looks like the 3m watching the Snooker is the reason for the low soap shares, extra people watching TV who wouldn't usually be.

The actual ratings are not much different to what we've seen recently, but the shares were much lower.”

The snooker had 3m last year too and the soaps were higher.
Andy23
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“

Why is every man and his dog so keen to put a downer on this?

I think it will do better than people think, but from Five's perspective I guess people writing it off before it's even started isn't such a bad thing.

Above all it is good to see them making more of an effort on a Saturday. Whether it works or not, we'll find out in due course. But it opens up other doors as well, and is a great way back into football.”

There are various pros and cons

PLUS POINTS

Better slot than after Midnight
Will bring different viewers to Channel 5
Benchmark of success will be lower as its Channel 5
Will be a good way to fill many hours that aren't filled with much at the moment

MINUS POINTS

Prime time football highlights didn't work last time on ITV1
Competitive slot particularly in Autumn/Winter
Viewers won't expect football highlights here
Will lose lead in from MOTD
Will have to be sold as an event in its own right not as a extra to Premier League highlights, didn't work for ITV Sport Channel
Will lose the promotion across the BBC, nationally, regionally, on the radio, on final score etc
Andy23
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“The snooker had 3m last year too and the soaps were higher.”

Soaps were doing better last year, which is an overall situation not specific to last night.
hyperstarsponge
05-05-2015
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“There are various pros and cons

PLUS POINTS

Better slot than after Midnight
Will bring different viewers to Channel 5
Benchmark of success will be lower as its Channel 5
Will be a good way to fill many hours that aren't filled with much at the moment

MINUS POINTS

Prime time football highlights didn't work last time on ITV1
Competitive slot particularly in Autumn/Winter
Viewers won't expect football highlights here
Will lose lead in from MOTD
Will have to be sold as an event in its own right not as a extra to Premier League highlights, didn't work for ITV Sport Channel
Will lose the promotion across the BBC, nationally, regionally, on the radio, on final score etc”

Think a lot of the viewers know all ready judging by social media
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